What's it going to take before YOU decide to resist?

AbookamongstthemanyAbookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
edited April 2008 in A Moving Train
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794


    A few dozen more youtube links or links to obscure blog posts.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    know1 wrote:
    A few dozen more youtube links or links to obscure blog posts.
    :D:D
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    so who do u want to resist and what does this have to do with the holocaust?
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741

    huh...?

    is he saying the current gov't is nazi's and the people are the jews...?
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    inmytree wrote:
    huh...?

    is he saying the current gov't is nazi's and the people are the jews...?

    apparently we are just a step away from getting round up on cattle cars... who knew?
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    apparently we are just a step away from getting round up on cattle cars... who knew?

    that's what I got from this...

    I wonder, I know people want "change"...I guess the question is "how quickly do we want change?"....
  • Good video.....He is saying that our government is becoming more and more like a fascist state. We don't have habeas corpus anymore. Look at what the Patriot Act does. We are going to be getting a "Real I.D." in the near future. Research that if you haven't heard about that. Our country is drowning in debt. The dollar is losing its value because of unconstitutional wars like Iraq. It is basically a warning that we need to be wary of what our government is doing.
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  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Good video.....He is saying that our government is becoming more and more like a fascist state. We don't have habeas corpus anymore. Look at what the Patriot Act does. We are going to be getting a "Real I.D." in the near future. Research that if you haven't heard about that. Our country is drowning in debt. The dollar is losing its value because of unconstitutional wars like Iraq. It is basically a warning that we need to be wary of what our government is doing.

    he could have easier done all this without the nazi/holocaust comparisons
  • lazymoon13 wrote:
    he could have easier done all this without the nazi/holocaust comparisons

    well no because that door is open in this country. You don't have habeas corpus anymore so all we need is somebody in office that is capable of doing something like Hitler did. At least Bush wouldn't murder his own people like that. Who knows about future presidents.
    Noblesville 6/22/2003 St. Louis 5/4/2010 East Troy 9/4/2011
    Cleveland 5/20/2006 Columbus 5/6/2010 Chicago 7/19/2013
    Cincinnatti 6/24/2006 Noblesville 5/7/2010. Buffalo 10/12/2013
    Lollapalooza 8/5/2007 Mountain View 10/23/2010 Cincinnatti 10/1/2014
    Washington D.C. 6/22/2008 Mountain View 10/24/2010 St. Louis 10/3/2014
    Chicago 8/22/2008(EV Solo) St. Louis 7/1/2011 (EV Solo) St. Paul 10/19/2014
    Kansas City 5/3/2010 East Troy 9/3/2011 Milwaukee 10/20/2014
    Hampton 4/18/2016 Columbia 4/21/2016 Lexington 4/26/2016
    NYC 5/2/2016
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    well no because that door is open in this country. You don't have habeas corpus anymore so all we need is somebody in office that is capable of doing something like Hitler did. At least Bush wouldn't murder his own people like that. Who knows about future presidents.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia
  • lazymoon13 wrote:
    why you dont you do some research on what the Patriot Act does and what habeas corpus being suspended means before you label me a being paranoid.
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    Cleveland 5/20/2006 Columbus 5/6/2010 Chicago 7/19/2013
    Cincinnatti 6/24/2006 Noblesville 5/7/2010. Buffalo 10/12/2013
    Lollapalooza 8/5/2007 Mountain View 10/23/2010 Cincinnatti 10/1/2014
    Washington D.C. 6/22/2008 Mountain View 10/24/2010 St. Louis 10/3/2014
    Chicago 8/22/2008(EV Solo) St. Louis 7/1/2011 (EV Solo) St. Paul 10/19/2014
    Kansas City 5/3/2010 East Troy 9/3/2011 Milwaukee 10/20/2014
    Hampton 4/18/2016 Columbia 4/21/2016 Lexington 4/26/2016
    NYC 5/2/2016
  • Nothing happens to you until you happen to disagree passionately about something.

    At that point, you quickly realize you're at a disadvantage for being complacent to the many small and frequent seemingly insignificant changes.

    Some people by default, are ridiculously complacent.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • spiral outspiral out Posts: 1,052
    lazymoon13 wrote:
    so who do u want to resist and what does this have to do with the holocaust?

    The unaware are unaware they are unaware.
    Keep on rockin in the free world!!!!

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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    spiral out wrote:
    The unaware are unaware they are unaware.

    and the paranoid are unaware that they are paranoid
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
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  • and the paranoid are unaware that they are paranoid

    Paranoid is what you call being over aware... In this context it's called scrutiny, or due diligence.

    Shame more Nazi's weren't more dilligent on the odd occasion.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Do you really think that we are just a couple of years away from exterminating a massive group of American citizens and starting WWIII? which group exactly? I hope i'm not in that one.

    There are a lot of problems with the government, and there are serious problems with complacency, but you are delusional if you think what is happening now is anywhere close to what was happening in Germany in the run up to WWII. Absolutely delusional.

    Stop with the scare tactics already. it makes you sound stupid.
  • MrSmith wrote:
    Do you really think that we are just a couple of years away from exterminating a massive group of American citizens? which group exactly? I hope i'm not in that one.

    There are a lot of problems with the government, and there are serious problems with complacency, but you are delusional if you think what is happening now is anywhere close to what was happening in the run up to WWII. Absolutely delusional.

    Stop with the scare tactics already. it makes you sound stupid.


    Once the framework is on place. It's there. No one has a crystal ball on who is going to hop in the drivers seat in the future. To say it isn't happening already to a certain degree, or can't happen is unwise.

    Complacency is far worse than any form of scrutiny.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    MrSmith wrote:
    Do you really think that we are just a couple of years away from exterminating a massive group of American citizens and starting WWIII? which group exactly? I hope i'm not in that one.

    There are a lot of problems with the government, and there are serious problems with complacency, but you are delusional if you think what is happening now is anywhere close to what was happening in the run up to WWII. Absolutely delusional.

    Stop with the scare tactics already. it makes you sound stupid.


    I sorta understand the point that Badnarik was trying to make, but as soon as he started bringing the Holocaust up as a comparison, he sounded as delusional and paranoid as that Applewhite guy with the Heaven's gate cult.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • Christ!! I should have known better.

    I posted this because of the concept of finally saying enough is enough. And deciding you aren't going to go along with the corrupt deeds of your govt and resisting. Is it that difficult to grasp? You don't have to take everything as a 100% literal comparison...jeez.


    I don't know why I bother
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • I sorta understand the point that Badnarik was trying to make, but as soon as he started bringing the Holocaust up as a comparison, he sounded as delusional and paranoid as that Applewhite guy with the Heaven's gate cult.


    Using extreme examples makes a case not a direct comparison. And we use them all them time here to make points. He was saying when is it bad enough for you to start getting fed up. If it were as bad as Nazi Germany, he wouldn't be able to even make the video and have it on youtube. He's saying if you're going to do something, do it before shit gets so bad it's hard to turn back. It was an obvious point. He was saying we aren't Nazi Germany and we can still do something about our gov't's abuse of power.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Using extreme examples makes a case not a direct comparison. And we use them all them time here to make points. He was saying when is it bad enough for you to start getting fed up. If it were as bad as Nazi Germany, he wouldn't be able to even make the video and have it on youtube. He's saying if you're going to do something, do it before shit gets so bad it's hard to turn back. It was an obvious point. He was saying we aren't Nazi Germany and we can still do something about our gov't's abuse of power.


    I know, but going that extreme makes him no better than the sensationalism in our news networks. Hearing him talk about rounding people up in cattle cars turns me off as quickly is the local news anchor saying "Find out if your drive to work can kill you - tune in at 11".
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • I know, but going that extreme makes him no better than the sensationalism in our news networks. Hearing him talk about rounding people up in cattle cars turns me off as quickly is the local news anchor sayin "F
    ind out if your drive to work can kill you - tune in at 11".



    Not at all. He needed to bring up the worst example of a submissive people to drive the point home. It's a factual period in time where people didn't stand up for what was right to the point they were subjected to genocide. He's showing just how bad it can get and people will still go along with it. That is a strong point. And he showed how it was gradual...also a strong point. It needed to be said because we, as a people, are excusing our gov't's corruption and abuses of power MORE than we are resisting and voting them out of power. The question stands, when is it going to be enough for us to stand up against it? Or will we ever? People always say, 'Yeah, that will never happen to us. The american people won't stand for it!' Newsflash!- There's a whole lot of stuff happening right now that people thought we'd never see in America! Where is it going to end???


    It's not the same thing a sensationalizing stupid news stories in the least. They purposefully talk about useless stories to distract people's attention from the real stuff that goes unreported. Also they make things out to be much worse than they are to frighten people. Nazi Germany happened and he didn't sensationalize it or say that's what's happening here. He simply pointed out how things can go bad quickly and if you're not up for resisting against it when it's the smaller crimes, what's going to stop them from committing even bigger ones?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    Christ!! I should have known better.

    I posted this because of the concept of finally saying enough is enough. And deciding you aren't going to go along with the corrupt deeds of your govt and resisting. Is it that difficult to grasp? You don't have to take everything as a 100% literal comparison...jeez.


    I don't know why I bother

    I dont know why you bothered to post just bullshit either.
  • lazymoon13 wrote:
    I dont know why you bothered to post just bullshit either.


    How is it bullshit?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • lazymoon13lazymoon13 Posts: 838
    How is it bullshit?

    the comparisons to nazi's and the holocaust is down right idiotic. yea, thanks for posting. well done.
  • lazymoon13 wrote:
    the comparisons to nazi's and the holocaust is down right idiotic. yea, thanks for posting. well done.


    Read my posts to blackredyellow just a few posts up^^^...it's not that hard to understand. It's showing an example of submissive people letting gov't abuse it power and then it was too late for them to stop it. NOT ONCE did he say this is the situation in the US or even like it. He's just saying how we need to stand up to things we see as wrong NOW or they will keep on abusing their power because no one is stopping them. Simple, really.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    Also they make things out to be much worse than they are to frighten people.

    you don't say... I got that exact feeling listening to the lecture in the original post.
    My whole life
    was like a picture
    of a sunny day
    “We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
    ― Abraham Lincoln
  • you don't say... I got that exact feeling listening to the lecture in the original post.


    He never said that the US was like Nazi German and we all should be scared as hell. Correct? So it's not like sensationalizing our situation to frighten us. Showing an example of how thing can go wrong quickly with a gov't not held accountable by it's citizens by using a factual period in history, is not what the 'news' does.

    The point was that people always think it won't happen to them. He pointed out how easily it can happen, abuse by abuse, until it's too late. If anything, it should be empowering to anyone who watched it to know that we still have a chance to keep our gov't in check and hold them accountable but that, indeed, is up to us. We gotta draw the line and say enough is enough somewhere and stop excusing all the shit they keep pulling in the name of keeping us 'safe'.

    Care to reply to the rest of my post?
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • lazymooon (et al) says this story didn't tingle his wee wee enough, so he's raising the bar by offering up a handful of his own excrement.

    edit: hehe did I write that? :D :( :p
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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