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  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    810wmb wrote:
    keep 'em straight, mr soul!

    just for the record, i believe in Jesus and God

    i wish i had him on the witness stand for cross examination. we'd be impeaching his testimony ALL day!
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    you didnt?

    "if you're about to be swallowed by an anaconda, i bet you would." -deadnothingbetter

    "have someone put a gun to your head.... i bet you'd avoid every possibility of running into trouble with some violent hoodlums. or the seatbelts, for example, serve as ways to protect us in case we get in a car accident." -deadnothingbetter

    "tell me that your heart won't start pumping fast if someone puts a gun to your head. come on dude.. you're so full of it." -deadnothingbetter

    "convince me that dying isn't something to fear." -deadnothingbetter

    "i see what you're saying... but essentially and agree with me dude, cause i know you do... you're focus is to stay alive... and dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you. is that right?" -deadnothingbetter

    several times you have claimed to know for a fact that i fear death. several times you have made the logical fallacy that desire to keep living is the same as fear of dying. several times you have told me outright "dying is the last thing you'd want to happen to you." i said you were wrong. i told you why. and you came back to completely contradict yourself. you say dying is the last thing we want, and when i point out how that isn't true becos id rather die than have alzheimer's, suddenly you change your tune... ok, dying is the SECOND to last thing you want. which is it? is dying the absolute last thing we want, as you claimed, or are there fates worse than death, as you claimed once i pointed out how wrong you were?
    look, dufus. use some common sense. in all the parts you quoted, i'm referring to your survival instincts. you're telling me that you wouldn't be fighting for your life?

    yes.... i'm sure, if you had no choice and you're going to die... i would do the same like you... accept the fact that i'm going to die. essentially, when i begin to think about it there's no fear in dying. but instinctively my aim is to survive and stay alive. it's what i've been saying all along. am i wrong? how the hell am i wrong about that?

    when you say that you don't fear dying, it's as if you'd say that if a hurricane comes strolling by you'll take a walk on the sidewalk at ease like it's a sunny day. or if someone were to chop your head off it would be just another day. see what i'm saying?

    that's what i'm trying to get you to understand. if someone were to threaten you, you'd probably do something about it.

    so........................................... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i am not contradicting myself. i'm not changing anything. i'm not saying that dying is the second to last. and i honestly don't see what the big deal in this little debate we got going on here. all i've been saying, and i'm not changing anything, is that instinctively our aim is to survive.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    if i work for a business and i bust my ass to become rich and rise to the top... am i doing that becos i want the benefits it offers, or solely becos i am afraid to be poor and unemployed? some people do work solely becos they're afraid not to, and others work solely to get ahead and have no fear of the prospect of not working. life is the same way. continuing to live is no more than wanting the fruits of further life, it has nothing to do with a fear of lack of life (death). the two are totally independent and one does not point to the other. this is basic logic and philosophical thought here. you're creating new definitions becos you feel like it.
    yeah.... you totally don't get what i'm saying.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    i wish i had him on the witness stand for cross examination. we'd be impeaching his testimony ALL day!
    you might want to think that again.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    810wmb wrote:
    just for the record, i believe in Jesus and God
    what's that got to do with anything?

    now you're making me look reallyyyyy bad....
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    look, dufus. use some common sense. in all the parts you quoted, i'm referring to your survival instincts. you're telling me that you wouldn't be fighting for your life?

    yes.... i'm sure, if you had no choice and you're going to die... i would do the same like you... accept the fact that i'm going to die. essentially, when i begin to think about it there's no fear in dying. but instinctively my aim is to survive and stay alive. it's what i've been saying all along. am i wrong? how the hell am i wrong about that?

    when you say that you don't fear dying, it's as if you'd say that if a hurricane comes strolling by you'll take a walk on the sidewalk at ease like it's a sunny day. or if someone were to chop your head off it would be just another day. see what i'm saying?

    that's what i'm trying to get you to understand. if someone were to threaten you, you'd probably do something about it.

    so........................................... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i am not contradicting myself. i'm not changing anything. i'm not saying that dying is the second to last. and i honestly don't see what the big deal in this little debate we got going on here. all i've been saying, and i'm not changing anything, is that instinctively our aim is to survive.

    you have also been saying that a desire to survive is the same as a fear of death. which makes no sense.

    if a hurrican came by, id' stay home and fuck and eat steak. or go somewhere else to ensure that i could fuck and eat steak. if someone chopped my head off, it would be just like any other day only the bad parts of the day were a bit worse and a lot more final. so it goes. ladi-freaking-da.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    yeah.... you totally don't get what i'm saying.

    that so? tell me how my scenario is at all different from what i am saying. i know exactly what you're saying, and i'm saying it's bullshit. a desire to live is not the same as a fear of dying. just like a desire to get rich is not the same as a fear of being poor. you can have one, both, or neither.
  • ajedigecko
    ajedigecko \m/deplorable af \m/ Posts: 2,431
    it is easy to talk of death when....you are not in a fox hole.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    that so? tell me how my scenario is at all different from what i am saying. i know exactly what you're saying, and i'm saying it's bullshit. a desire to live is not the same as a fear of dying. just like a desire to get rich is not the same as a fear of being poor. you can have one, both, or neither.
    oh my god..... don't even try dude. it's like you think you got me cornered here..... i don't even know if you're the cutest, or the most annoying.

    true. a desire to live is not the same as a fear of dying. but that doesn't negate anything about your survival instincts.
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  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    what's that got to do with anything?

    now you're making me look reallyyyyy bad....


    no, dude....

    thread is "do you believe.."

    i do....

    i could spend weeks stating why, and give my opposing view to a ton of threads here, i'm tired though
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    you have also been saying that a desire to survive is the same as a fear of death. which makes no sense.
    yep.... it's what i've been saying. instinctively, we fear death.
    if a hurrican came by, id' stay home and fuck and eat steak.or go somewhere else to ensure that i could fuck and eat steak.
    ok.... see. now we're getting somewhere.
    if someone chopped my head off, it would be just like any other day only the bad parts of the day were a bit worse and a lot more final. so it goes. ladi-freaking-da.
    you're full of it dude.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    810wmb wrote:
    no, dude....

    thread is "do you believe.."

    i do....

    i could spend weeks stating why, and give my opposing view to a ton of threads here, i'm tired though
    i didn't see the corrolations between "you're totally right soul" and "i believe in jesus and god." so, go figure. or not... whatever.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    oh my god..... don't even try dude. it's like you think you got me cornered here..... i don't even know if you're the cutest, or the most annoying.

    true. a desire to live is not the same as a fear of dying. but that doesn't negate anything about your survival instincts.

    what have survival instincts got to do with it? we were talking about whether or not everyone fears death. having an instinct to survive is not the same as being afraid to die.

    don't even try eh? sounds like your mantra... becos you never even true to rebut my points. you simply say i'm wrong and i misunderstood you without saying how or why. i'd be shocked to find you had the intellectual power to even make a sensible response to my scenario. but i know you cannot do it. becos you ARE cornered. how is a desire to live/survival instinct/whatever you wanna call it incontrovertible proof that everyone is afraid to die?
  • 810wmb
    810wmb Posts: 849
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i didn't see the corrolations between "you're totally right soul" and "i believe in jesus and god." so, go figure. or not... whatever.


    it was "keep 'em straight mr. soul"

    a kind word to my sparring partner...then, stated my beliefs

    it's ok man, take a deep breath....
    i'm the meat, yer not...signed Capt Asshat
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    yep.... it's what i've been saying. instinctively, we fear death.

    ok.... see. now we're getting somewhere. you're full of it dude.

    instinctively, we strive to survive. that is not the same as fearing death. show me how it is.

    you think i'm full of it... we've come full circle. you've got nothing besides crying about how i'm lying. your points cannot stand on their own or withstand logical scrutiny.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    810wmb wrote:
    it was "keep 'em straight mr. soul"

    a kind word to my sparring partner...then, stated my beliefs

    it's ok man, take a deep breath....
    :p
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    what have survival instincts got to do with it?
    it's been my argument all along.
    we were talking about whether or not everyone fears death.
    so i said that instinctively, we do.
    having an instinct to survive is not the same as being afraid to die.
    in a way, it is. see, if you were to ask me i would say i'm not afraid of dying. but neither do i wanna die right now. so in a way, yeah, i'm scared of dying. and that's a completely and totally normal thing.
    don't even try eh? sounds like your mantra... becos you never even true to rebut my points. you simply say i'm wrong and i misunderstood you without saying how or why.
    when i say that we have a survival instinct you say, "just because i wanna live doesn't mean i fear death." i didn't even say that. follow?
    i'd be shocked to find you had the intellectual power to even make a sensible response to my scenario.
    "intellectual power"???? i don't even know what scenario you're talking about anymore.
    but i know you cannot do it.
    respond to your scenario with intellectual power?
    becos you ARE cornered.
    no i'm not.
    how is a desire to live/survival instinct/whatever you wanna call it incontrovertible proof that everyone is afraid to die?
    i don't know... it just is. ask someone if they're not afraid of dying and if they say no then ask them to jump off a bridge. if they say no, then what else am i going to think? yeah, there are instincts inside me that naturally put this fear inside in order to stay alive. it just works that way.

    there's like two sides in our brains.... one part would put that kind of instinctive fear inside in order to survive. it's the same thing that probably every other animal on the planet has.

    listen to the victims of 9-11... listen to the 9-1-1 calls who are calling because someone is trying to kill them.... listen to the people who cry for help when they are drowning.... listen to the people who are being held hostage at gunpoint..... look at the people who have cancer.... my uncle who died recently last christmas from prostate cancer didn't wanna die... and he was pretty bummed out about dying. their fears and reactions are traits of their survival mode. it's completely natural.

    but what separates us from animals is the other side of our brain that rationalizes death as something that we really shouldn't fear, since death is a natural thing. it's the part of your brain working right now.
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  • deadnothingbetter
    deadnothingbetter Posts: 2,202
    soulsinging wrote:
    instinctively, we strive to survive. that is not the same as fearing death. show me how it is.

    you think i'm full of it... we've come full circle. you've got nothing besides crying about how i'm lying. your points cannot stand on their own or withstand logical scrutiny.
    i don't care if you're not afraid of dying. i don't think i am either. i got no problem with your arguments either..... except that you kinda sound like an absolutist.

    i was only trying to make a point. cause common sense tells me that you'd be trying to stay alive. the way you made it sound it's as if dying is just a stroll in the park. so i called that bullshit.... dying is a little more epic than that.
    This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    see, if you were to ask me [if i were afraid to die] i would say i'm not afraid of dying. but neither do i wanna die right now. so in a way, yeah, i'm scared of dying.

    that makes no sense. i don't want a cookie right NOW. does that mean i'll never want a cookie again or that i'm afraid to eat cookies?
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    when i say that we have a survival instinct you say, "just because i wanna live doesn't mean i fear death." i didn't even say that.

    semantics. it amounts to the same thing. i don't care what you call it... instinct for survival, desire to live. neither one is indicative of a fear of death, only a thirst for life.
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    "intellectual power"???? i don't even know what scenario you're talking about anymore.

    my scenario about a person on the job. does wanting a promotion or the further satisfaction in your job mean you are afraid of not having a job? ambition can exist separate from fear. but don't worry about it. now i have no question, you DO lack the intellectual power to show me how that scenario is different. you demonstrated that lack here:
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i don't know... it [survival instinct] just is [incontrovertible proof that everyone is afraid of dying].

    yup, about what i suspected. that's got to be the most stunning display of rational argument i've ever read here. i'm humbled, truly, by your incedible powers of reasoning. who can argue with that kind of logic? your points are irrefutable. it was so simple the whole time! it just is!

    wait... i can do this... everyone is NOT afraid of dying. how do i know? it just is!

    believe me now?
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    ask someone if they're not afraid of dying and if they say no then ask them to jump off a bridge. if they say no, then what else am i going to think?

    maybe that they would like to keep living more than than they would like to die. i like pearl jam better than nirvana... does that mean i hate or fear nirvana? of course not, a preference for one option over another does not indicate a distaste for the other option.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    deadnothingbetter wrote:
    i don't care if you're not afraid of dying. i don't think i am either. i got no problem with your arguments either..... except that you kinda sound like an absolutist.

    i was only trying to make a point. cause common sense tells me that you'd be trying to stay alive. the way you made it sound it's as if dying is just a stroll in the park. so i called that bullshit.... dying is a little more epic than that.

    nope. just more final. dying is just another event in life. similar to marriage, having kids, a crippling accident, or whatever else. it's just less reversible. it is just a stroll in the park to me. just another possible event in the course of my life. the only difference is it is inevitably the last one. i don't want to get married right now either. does that mean i'm afraid of marriage? i'd rather not have kids right now. does that mean i'm afraid of kids and never want to have them?

    absolutist in what sense?

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