Police brutality in Philly

stickfig13

BOOOM wrote:

Camparison may be weak, but the point is there.

Just because a job is stressful it is not okay to go ape-shit. i suppose you want to give a free pass on the soldiers that torture prisoners, because they've been through a lot.

All I'm really saying is that comparing any civilian job to that of a soldier/cops is ridiculous. You don't know how you would react if you're chasing some scumbag who just shot into a crowd of people.

However, I know how you would react.....You would be nice to these scumbags just like the rest of the PC police on this board.


Nobody is giving cops free pass to do anything. However, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to those who uphold the law daily over those who break it daily.

Given2Fly...SD

stickfig13 wrote:

All I'm really saying is that comparing any civilian job to that of a soldier/cops is ridiculous. You don't know how you would react if you're chasing some scumbag who just shot into a crowd of people.

However, I know how you would react.....You would be nice to these scumbags just like the rest of the PC police on this board.


Nobody is giving cops free pass to do anything. However, I tend to give the benefit of the doubt to those who uphold the law daily over those who break it daily.

You can't give the benefit of the doubt to those you entrust to protect/lead/fight for us. Once you do you open the door for corruption.

Think about it, if you allow politicians to have the benefit of the doubt we're left off where we're at now.

CHANGE!!!

stickfig13

BOOOM wrote:

You know why the victim didn't press any charges? because he's a better person then all of us. He asked us not to make a big deal out of it and was happy he was still alive, and was going to let it be.

As for why hasn't anyone comeforth, people did, but with trusty detective work nothing happened.

And if you still don't believe cops are bullshit, you must be a fucking WASP.

Try being harrased by the cops because you're a brown man in a white neighborhood.

I know one thing is for sure, you are a PRICK.

Race card officially played!!!! Professional Victim alert!!!!

Get off it!

By playing the race card, you have officially lost all credibility!

stickfig13

BOOOM wrote:

You can't give the benefit of the doubt to those you entrust to protect/lead/fight for us. Once you do you open the door for corruption.

Think about it, if you allow politicians to have the benefit of the doubt we're left off where we're at now.

CHANGE!!!

I'll give the benefit of the doubt to criminals and see how far that gets me!

I hope someday the harsh reality of the world come knocking at your door. This world is a fucked up place. If you can't put your faith in anything then you will continue to be the victim that you are!

chromiam

BOOOM wrote:

You know why the victim didn't press any charges? because he's a better person then all of us. He asked us not to make a big deal out of it and was happy he was still alive, and was going to let it be.

As for why hasn't anyone comeforth, people did, but with trusty detective work nothing happened.

And if you still don't believe cops are bullshit, you must be a fucking WASP.

Try being harrased by the cops because you're a brown man in a white neighborhood.

I know one thing is for sure, you are a PRICK.

Try being harrassed by residents because you're a white man in a brown neighborhood....

stickfig13

chromiam wrote:

Try being harrassed by residents because you're a white man in a brown neighborhood....

San Diego comes to mind

Given2Fly...SD

stickfig13 wrote:

Race card officially played!!!! Professional Victim alert!!!!

Get off it!

By playing the race card, you have officially lost all credibility!

I'm not claiming to be a victim, you did that for me, but i do know what its like to be one, YES.

and get off it? why? so we can live blind through this world and accept everything and question nothing.

Given2Fly...SD

stickfig13 wrote:

I'll give the benefit of the doubt to criminals and see how far that gets me!

I hope someday the harsh reality of the world come knocking at your door. This world is a fucked up place. If you can't put your faith in anything then you will continue to be the victim that you are!

Look all i'm saying is that you can't give them the benefit of the doubt cause it does lead to to corruption.

if you can honestly say thats not true, you're not seeing the big picture.

And I do realize this world is a fucked up place and have faith in humanity that we can get through this.

and what has it knocked on your door? you just knocked on me when you dubbed me as a victim.

SilverSeed

stickfig13 wrote:

San Diego comes to mind

Are you fucking joking? What part do you live in?

I've lived in SD all my life, you're off your rocker.

And it's not playing the race card when you get pulled over in white neighborhoods just for being there. I've been in the car while it's happened to BOOOOM. He got pulled over leaving my own house and questioned on why he was there. I explained to the officer who I was and that it was my house. He was very pleasant to me, but certainly not my brown driver.

stickfig13

BOOOM wrote:

I'm not claiming to be a victim, you did that for me, but i do know what its like to be one, YES.

and get off it? why? so we can live blind through this world and accept everything and question nothing.

come on!

You're obviously blind to the fact that criminals exist in this world and your first line of defense are cops sworn to eliminate them. If you automatically dismiss the police as being "pigs" then you're being blind yourself.

stickfig13

SilverSeed wrote:

Are you fucking joking? What part do you live in?

I've lived in SD all my life, you're off your rocker.

And it's not playing the race card when you get pulled over in white neighborhoods just for being there. I've been in the car while it's happened to BOOOOM. He got pulled over leaving my own house and questioned on why he was there. I explained to the officer who I was and that it was my house. He was very pleasant to me, but certainly not my brown driver.

Did you ever think that you got pulled over because you were driving on the road. You assume that the cops pull you over because you're brown before you assume they pulled you over because you did something wrong.

You assume the victim role before you actually ask yourself if you did somthing wrong.

If you did nothing wrong then what's the problem?

NMyTree

BOOOM wrote:

Let me fill in so you can stop talking out of your ass. I know it must be hard.

The fight starts because another person spilled a drink on one of the randoms in passing and even apologized. The person spilled on starts ranting and gets her boyfriend, who was looking for a fight anyway starts swinging along with his other buddies.

Our buddy gets hit with a 2x4 trying to get innocent victims away from the fight. His back was turned and didn't even see the guy hit him. He fell down and afterwards was kicked merciously on the ground while he's unconscience. Mean while the lifeguards and EMTs bring him in the pool where its safest. The rest of the lifeguards are protecting our friend who is bleeding out. The rest of us are facing mad-men with 2x4s and other blunt objects, many of us take hits but nothing as bad as our buddy. i proceed to get a bat so the fight is fair and on my way wake up SilverSeed. The cowards drive off laughing the whole way through.

The cops come and think we did this and right off the bat are complete assholes. They harass the lifeguards and emts and tell them to get out of the pool, but SOP states not to move the victim until a strecher and c-collar can be put on the victim. They don't care, they even threaten them that they will lose their jobs since they are helping a person while under the influence. But they did everything by the book and held their ground the ambulance came and even let them put the c-collar and strecther on our buddy and give the inital status report to the head EMT on duty. The cops were undermined and begin to take it out on the rest of us. Telling us that this would have never happened if we weren't drinking and telling us we were immature delinquents, even though all of us had higher education and everything was fine until these assholes came. They asked SilverSeed some questions and I don;t remember what he calls one of the cops but all he was trying to do was call the victims mom and he's giving us shit like we're responsible.

Is that fair? No it not. No compassion for what we just been thorugh, just blamed it on us.

And was justice served? NO

Unbeknownst to you, you just proved that all my questions and comments regarding this incident, were in fact, very accurate.

For someone professing about a higher education, you sure have a difficult time understanding rather simple and basic concepts.

But thanks for providing me (us all) with the proof which completely supports my comments regarding the police in this incident.

Given2Fly...SD

okay how about this i was in cardiff when i was pulled over, he asked for my ID and told me I was a long way from home. Home is oceanside for me.

which is less than 20 minutes away

stickfig13

BOOOM wrote:

Look all i'm saying is that you can't give them the benefit of the doubt cause it does lead to to corruption.

if you can honestly say thats not true, you're not seeing the big picture.

And I do realize this world is a fucked up place and have faith in humanity that we can get through this.

and what has it knocked on your door? you just knocked on me when you dubbed me as a victim.

Reality knocks on my door everyday....because I deal in it...

stickfig13

BOOOM wrote:

okay how about this i was in cardiff when i was pulled over, he asked for my ID and told me I was a long way from home. Home is oceanside for me.

which is less than 20 minutes away

What's your point?

NMyTree

stickfig13 wrote:

Did you ever think that you got pulled over because you were driving on the road. You assume that the cops pull you over because you're brown before you assume they pulled you over because you did something wrong.

You assume the victim role before you actually ask yourself if you did somthing wrong.

If you did nothing wrong then what's the problem?

Forget it. They both have already lost this argument. It simply hasn't sunk in yet. Probably never will.

They have proven that they have zero uunderstanding of police procedure, zero understanding of their own behavior and circumstances.

When you have two dopes who expect the police to arrive on a scene like the ones these two knuckleheads described, and expect the police to assume everyone there was innocent bystanders; because they told the police so . Well, what the hell could you expect from these two?

Hey, SilverSeed and Booom...........Rock on, dudes:D:D:D

Given2Fly...SD

NMyTree wrote:

Unbeknownst to you, you just proved that all my questions and comments regarding this incident, were in fact, very accurate.

For someone professing about a higher education, you sure have a difficult time understanding rather simple and basic concepts.

But thanks for providing me (us all) with the proof which completely supports my comments regarding the police in this incident.

But you won't ackowledge is that the cops did not handle the situation like they were suppose to. So only take what you want from my post and spin it to make yourself feel better.

Your rhetoric is feeble and reminds me of a 10th grade debate. You only awknowledge part of my argument, not parts where the police did not uphold the service they were sworn to protect, because they did not protect my freind nor his well being and justice was not served. How is that for a simple and basic concept.

NMyTree

BOOOM wrote:

okay how about this i was in cardiff when i was pulled over, he asked for my ID and told me I was a long way from home. Home is oceanside for me.

which is less than 20 minutes away

Silly boy. That's not because of your skin color. He simply knew a knucklehead when he saw one. He figured you belonged some where else.

A place where other's with that special higher education all gather together and do finger painting:D

NMyTree

BOOOM wrote:

But you won't ackowledge is that the cops did not handle the situation like they were suppose to. So only take what you want from my post and spin it to make yourself feel better.

Your rhetoric is feeble and reminds me of a 10th grade debate. You only awknowledge part of my argument, not parts where the police did not uphold the service they were sworn to protect, because they did not protect my freind nor his well being and justice was not served. How is that for a simple and basic concept.

Actually, I did address that. When you learn to read, you'll see that I touched on it.

Reading is fun to mental.

Given2Fly...SD

NMyTree wrote:

Forget it. They both have already lost this argument. It simply hasn't sunk in yet. Probably never will.

They have proven that they have zero uunderstanding of police procedure, zero understanding of their own behavior and circumstances.

When you have two dopes who expect the police to arrive on a scene like the ones these two knuckleheads described, and expect the police to assume everyone there was innocent bystanders; because they told the police so . Well, what the hell could you expect from these two?

Hey, SilverSeed and Booom...........Rock on, dudes:D:D:D

Police Code of Conduct:

Honesty and integrity

1. It is of paramount importance that the public has faith in the honesty and integrity of police officers. Officers should therefore be open and truthful in their dealings; avoid being improperly beholden to any person or institution; and discharge their duties with integrity.


Fairness and impartiality

2. Police officers have a particular responsibility to act with fairness and impartiality in all their dealings with the public and their colleagues.


Politeness and tolerance

3. Officers should treat members of the public and colleagues with courtesy and respect, avoiding abusive or deriding attitudes or behaviour. In particular, officers must avoid: favouritism of an individual or group; all forms of harassment, victimisation or unreasonable discrimination; and overbearing conduct to a colleague, particularly to one junior in rank or service.


Use of force and abuse of authority

4. Officers must never knowingly use more force than is reasonable, nor should they abuse their authority.


Performance of duties

5. Officers should be conscientious and diligent in the performance of their duties. Officers should attend work promptly when rostered for duty. If absent through sickness or injury, they should avoid activities likely to retard their return to duty.


Lawful orders

6. The police service is a disciplined body. Unless there is good and sufficient cause to do otherwise, officers must obey all lawful orders and abide by the provisions of Police Regulations. Officers should support their colleagues in the execution of their lawful duties, and oppose any improper behaviour, reporting it where appropriate.


Confidentiality

7. Information which comes into the possession of the police should be treated as confidential. It should not be used for personal benefit and nor should it be divulged to other parties except in the proper course of police duty. Similarly, officers should respect, as confidential, information about force policy and operations unless authorised to disclose it in the course of their duties.


Criminal offences

8. Officers must report any proceedings for a criminal offence taken against them. Conviction of a criminal offence may of itself result in further action being taken.


Property

9. Officers must exercise reasonable care to prevent loss or damage to property (excluding their own personal property but including police property.)


Sobriety

10. Whilst on duty officers must be sober. Officers should not consume alcohol when on duty unless specifically authorised to do so or it becomes necessary for the proper discharge of police duty.


Appearance

11. Unless on duties which dictate otherwise, officers should always be well turned out, clean and tidy whilst on duty in uniform or in plain clothes.


General conduct

12. Whether on or off duty, police officers should not behave in a way which is likely to bring discredit upon the police service.

Look at this and tell me they did everything correctly.

I will rock on. Thanks