Police brutality in Philly

musicismylife78

So 12 police officers were involved in the videotaped beating of three suspects. I dont get it. This thing happens, Again, and again and again. And no one does anything. The police are excused and not punished. This time the excuse is that the police were stressed because their fellow officer was killed previously in the day. So that gives them just cause to harass, brutally beat and assault three people?

How many times does this have to happen before people do something? It doesnt matter what the police do, its always excused and has some explanation. Police beat Rodney King because he was drunk and on drugs. Police shot Amadou Diallo because his wallet looked like a gun. Police shot Sean bell, merely because he was black. And funnily enough none of these police are ever reprimanded.

Absolutely outrageous. You can bet I am giving the philly police a call and telling them how I feel.

SilverSeed

Ask Mumia how much Philly cares...

It really is gross the leeway police get in their violence. And you can bet the FOP will be crying bloody murder if/when any of these cops get charged.

chromiam

SilverSeed wrote:

Ask Mumia how much Philly cares...

He's still alive isn't he???

RolandTD20Kdrummer

I think their premise is that once you start making concessions to the public, it will be taken advantage of.

Pretty soon everyone is suing cops....or something like that.

SilverSeed

chromiam wrote:

He's still alive isn't he???

Pretty sure. I think I just read an update article. He's still fucked...

chromiam

SilverSeed wrote:

Pretty sure. I think I just read an update article. He's still fucked...

You mean he's right where he belongs for killing a police officer??? Or he should have been executed because he killed a police officer??

And please do not interject Mumia into a discussion which has no remote similarities to him whatsoever.

SilverSeed

chromiam wrote:

You mean he's right where he belongs for killing a police officer??? Or he should have been executed because he killed a police officer??

And please do not interject Mumia into a discussion which has no remote similarities to him whatsoever.

Whoa there... I only mentioned him because of Philly. You responded to only that part of my post so I responded along those lines. Also, maybe look into things. There's a reason he's listed as a political prisoner with Amnesty Int'l.

But you're right, this isn't about Mumia. It's about shitty cops beating the shit out of people and not having justice served. Care to comment on that?

Solat13

SilverSeed wrote:

But you're right, this isn't about Mumia. It's about shitty cops beating the shit out of people and not having justice served. Care to comment on that?

Well considering the guy who shot the police sergeant last week was not set to be released until 2052, but was paroled at the first chance the state had and his two accomplices were also not supposed to be released until the next decade and also paroled early, maybe the justice system really isn't working that well.

chromiam

SilverSeed wrote:

Whoa there... I only mentioned him because of Philly. You responded to only that part of my post so I responded along those lines. Also, maybe look into things. There's a reason he's listed as a political prisoner with Amnesty Int'l.

But you're right, this isn't about Mumia. It's about shitty cops beating the shit out of people and not having justice served. Care to comment on that?

Sure, was it right?? no... are they under alot of stress?? yes... does anyone other than the cops on the scene and the arrested individuals know exactly what happened, was said, etc?? nope.... And 6 officers, so far, have been suspended, when would you like justice served?? overnight??? There will be an investigation and I would be pretty surprised if most of those officers are not demoted or lose their jobs.

And I'll just add this... if you watched 4 guys get out of a car, walk up to a corner and one of them open fire, shooting 3 people and then pursued 3 of those individuals in a car, chasing them through city streets, wouldn't you be alittle pissed and upset??? That doesn't make it right but it does put it in some context....

musicismylife78

chromiam wrote:

Sure, was it right?? no... are they under alot of stress?? yes... does anyone other than the cops on the scene and the arrested individuals know exactly what happened, was said, etc?? nope.... And 6 officers, so far, have been suspended, when would you like justice served?? overnight??? There will be an investigation and I would be pretty surprised if most of those officers are not demoted or lose their jobs.

And I'll just add this... if you watched 4 guys get out of a car, walk up to a corner and one of them open fire, shooting 3 people and then pursued 3 of those individuals in a car, chasing them through city streets, wouldn't you be alittle pissed and upset??? That doesn't make it right but it does put it in some context....

Justice wont be served buddy. Sean Bell was murdered by police. Unarmed. Shot 51 goddamn times! Unarmed. The police got off scott free last week or the week before! Amadou Diallo, the NY police shot him 41 times, and guess what! They got off scott free!

So I dont know why your freaking out. The police wont be charged. They never are.

You obviously didnt read my post. EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN time one of these things happens, there is always so lame excuse the police offer up. And its ALWAYS bought hook line and sinker by a jury. Seeing as there seems to be clear consensus that shooting unarmed citizens or beating unarmed citizens is legal and doesnt warrent a punishment. Can you think of a single person who would say that shooting a police officer or beating one would be okay?

Its a double standard.

I have no respect, NONE, for police officers. Whether we talk about Mumia, Leonard Peltier, Sean Bell, the WM3 etc... etc... the case is the same.

Police are brutal by nature. So my thread is sort of a misnomer. There is NO police brutality, if by nature police are brutal

musicismylife78

Imagine if some african american male from the inner city shot 2 police officers. You think people would be asking for the guys head? Would they want justice overnight? Hell yeah. So fair is fair. If police brutalize someone, those people deserve justice as well.

Thats why people like me support OJ even though he probably is guilty. He was a rarity. One in a million. After hundreds of years of lies, brutality, harassment, unfair and racist judicial practices, once, the system let a black man go free.

But its clear he was once in a million.

A police officer can do ANYTHING to anyone, including murder someone, or shove a broom up a black mans behind, and no one is ever charged. EVER.

musicismylife78

again, I ask, when is the death of a police officer by a citizen ever excused or condoned? I cant think of a single time. You hear all this garbage daily about how police are stressed and have the hardest job and worry daily about being killed. On the flip side, anytime a person is shot, maimed, harassed, assaulted, raped, beaten, killed, by police, THERE IS ALWAYS AN EXCUSE/

Pacomc79

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kathryn_Johnston

THese guys are going down, for the record.

Solat13

radiohead33 wrote:

A police officer can do ANYTHING to anyone, including murder someone, or shove a broom up a black mans behind, and no one is ever charged. EVER.

http://www.nbc10.com/news/13260041/detail.html?dl=headlineclick1

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/police-officers-arrested-for-the-real-world-philadelphia-fight-1006327.php

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/philadelphia-police-officer-arrested/2899524050

I guess these were all 1 in a million cases too where police officers in Philly got arrested and fired for abusing their power.

NMyTree

chromiam wrote:

And I'll just add this... if you watched 4 guys get out of a car, walk up to a corner and one of them open fire, shooting 3 people and then pursued 3 of those individuals in a car, chasing them through city streets, wouldn't you be alittle pissed and upset??? That doesn't make it right but it does put it in some context....

Those pesky, little things called facts.

Amazing how people could defend and feel sympathy for stone cold-blooded criminals who shoot into a crowd, while trashing cops who where definitely using excessive force against those cold-blooded murderers; but definitely had a right to be upset and were definitely pursuing criminals who just commited aggravated assault and what could have turned out to be shooting murders.

Hmmmm....anyone feeling sympathy for the three people (and their families) those punks shot?

Lemoia Dyches should shut the fuck up. Her son was involved in several criminal activities. A shooting and then eluding police.

Why isn't this asshole showing any grief and disgust over her son being involved with this? Oh that's right, there's big money in playing the race card.

That's right, let's focus only on the actions of the cops and pretend those three pieces of shit were little, harmless angels just minding their business; when the big bad cops took advantage of them and beat their asses.

Fuck 'em. They deserved a major beating. Shooting into a crowd.....what the fuck is that all about!?!?!

Kudos to the cops!

Kel Varnsen

radiohead33 wrote:

Thats why people like me support OJ even though he probably is guilty. He was a rarity. One in a million. After hundreds of years of lies, brutality, harassment, unfair and racist judicial practices, once, the system let a black man go free.

But its clear he was once in a million.

It is more like he was a man with a one in a million legal team. Him getting off had nothing to do with his race and everything to do with the fact that he was a rich guy who had assembled on of the most expensive defense teams ever.

SilverSeed

NMyTree wrote:

Those pesky, little things called facts.

Amazing how people could defend and feel sympathy for stone cold-blooded criminals who shoot into a crowd, while trashing cops who where definitely using excessive force against those cold-blooded murderers; but definitely had a right to be upset and were definitely pursuing criminals who just commited aggravated assault and what could have turned out to be shooting murders.

Hmmmm....anyone feeling sympathy for the three people (and their families) those punks shot?

Lemoia Dyches should shut the fuck up. Her son was involved in several criminal activities. A shooting and then eluding police.

Why isn't this asshole showing any grief and disgust over her son being involved with this? Oh that's right, there's big money in playing the race card.

That's right, let's focus only on the actions of the cops and pretend those three pieces of shit were little, harmless angels just minding their business; when the big bad cops took advantage of them and beat their asses.

Fuck 'em. They deserved a major beating. Shooting into a crowd.....what the fuck is that all about!?!?!

Kudos to the cops!

Those we entrust to uphold and enforce our laws should hold themselves to a higher standard than those they must pursue. If police are lawless, who will police them?

I always feared cops for obvious reasons, but my absolute distrust for them was solidified a couple years back. My buddy was assaulted with a 2x4 to the head (during a fight he was not a part of). The assailants fled. The cops came. Since I knew him best the cops wanted to speak with me. I was, at the time, trying to call his mom to let her know her son was going to the ICU... The cops cuffed me, threw me in the back seat of the car, and threw my phone on the front dash. The cop looked me dead in the face and said "There, now try to call his mom." I spent the next three hours in the car without any communication or reason given by the police, and was not able to contact his mom until after this.

The case was subsequently given to a detective who was on vacation. Two weeks later he returned to his desk and found it, and to this day it hasn't been followed up on properly.

Public's best interest at heart? No fucking way. Self absorbed douchebag ego maniacs? Abso-fucking-lutetly.

Collin

NMyTree wrote:

Amazing how people could defend and feel sympathy for stone cold-blooded criminals who shoot into a crowd, while trashing cops who where definitely using excessive force against those cold-blooded murderers; but definitely had a right to be upset and were definitely pursuing criminals who just commited aggravated assault and what could have turned out to be shooting murders.

If those cops broke the law, it makes them criminals. No excuses.

Why have a law at all if the very people who should uphold it, disregard it?

I'm not defending the action of those criminals at all.

musicismylife78

It seems this board is full of people who excuse and condone ANY behavior by police. Its pretty amazing really.

I would love to hear an answer to the question (posed to those who said the beatings are justified) that I asked 4 or 5 times now. Is there ever a time when shooting and killing an officer is justified? Would society agree that there is a time and place for such a thing?

How about is their a societal consensus on if police have just cause and reason to murder and brutalize citizens?

Double standard

It seems no matter WHAT police do, there are always lackeys and flunkees who bow down at their alter and act like they are some heroic supermen and superwomen.

Well not me. I dont honor or admire them at all.

They beat 3 people, and they should be severly punished. End of story. period

musicismylife78

Public's best interest at heart? No fucking way. Self absorbed douchebag ego maniacs? Abso-fucking-lutetly.[/quote]


AMEN to that! Couldnt agree more.

musicismylife78

imagine if some inner city black kid said "I was stressed out, my parents and brother was gunned down by wanton police, and I have experienced repeated racial profiling, so thats why I killed a cop". How many of you out there think that would be a justified killing? How many people would agree with the statement and condone the killing? Further, if such a hypothetical case was to go to trial, would the jury buy that defense?

These questions are basically rhetorical. We all know what the response would be to such statements. Its clear, and no one who supports the beatings wants to come out and say it on the board, that police are justified in killing anyone they want to, at any time, unarmed or armed, and citizens cant fight back and cant kill any cops, even if they are raping someone or shooting an unarmed person, or whatever.

To me, its the most criminal job ever. Its the only job, where you can maim, murder, rape, brutalize, harass and kill and every single time, there is an excuse at the ready.

Again, these police arent heroes.

What strong men! What big men these cops are! They can beat up innocent people! Wow. Oh Boy!

Some musical lyric quotes that come to mind
Something must be done, about vengence a badge, and a gun. Cant walk the streets to them we are fair game, our lives dont mean a thing. Pushing little children with their fully automatics, they like to push the weak around!