Police brutality in Philly

flyinwhole313

Now, I am not a Cop, and have had a decent amount of trouble with them... I also do not advocate undeserved brutality, but I do know that if my job was to "regulate" crime and criminals that I sure as hell wouldn't approach a scenario without a heart-rate of 180, and being afraid of being shot in the face because of the lack of respect that people have for the police these days, as was pointed out in this post. What I am familiar with is the psychological elements of fear, and how reactions in fearful situations are often irrational. So what are your occupations? As usual, people with big mouths and even bigger opinions don't have a clue what it is like to deal with the scum of the city. Sad to see that in an age of what should be hightened education thanks to the availability of information via the Internet, that people can be so stupid. I bet when you have 2 guns in your face from a couple guys on the street in Philly, your are praying that a cop drives by to save your ass. Double standards, right???

flyinwhole313

radiohead33 wrote:

So 12 police officers were involved in the videotaped beating of three suspects. I dont get it. This thing happens, Again, and again and again. And no one does anything. The police are excused and not punished. This time the excuse is that the police were stressed because their fellow officer was killed previously in the day. So that gives them just cause to harass, brutally beat and assault three people?

How many times does this have to happen before people do something? It doesnt matter what the police do, its always excused and has some explanation. Police beat Rodney King because he was drunk and on drugs. Police shot Amadou Diallo because his wallet looked like a gun. Police shot Sean bell, merely because he was black. And funnily enough none of these police are ever reprimanded.

Absolutely outrageous. You can bet I am giving the philly police a call and telling them how I feel.

I am not justifying these actions, but the opinions stated in regard to this are ridiculous. I was working on a road in Newark, NJ. I witnessed daily, a class of the "bad" kids from a local middle school who get escorted to a local park daily for class. They (about 20 of them) walk in a line and at a speed that holds up traffic at an intersection for 2 lights in all directions, and imply shooting at people in cars, INCLUDING COPS. And nobody does anything, WHY? It is the middle of Projects...There is no respect being taught here, so for anybody on this board to comment on what they see from their happy life with the luxury of computer access daily, is ridiculous! Spend a minute in these neighborhoods before you open your mouths, it is not easy to comment on that which you cannot see...???

VictoryGin

i highly recommend watching the wire.

Kel Varnsen

flyinwhole313 wrote:

Now, I am not a Cop, and have had a decent amount of trouble with them... I also do not advocate undeserved brutality, but I do know that if my job was to "regulate" crime and criminals that I sure as hell wouldn't approach a scenario without a heart-rate of 180, and being afraid of being shot in the face because of the lack of respect that people have for the police these days, as was pointed out in this post. What I am familiar with is the psychological elements of fear, and how reactions in fearful situations are often irrational. So what are your occupations? As usual, people with big mouths and even bigger opinions don't have a clue what it is like to deal with the scum of the city. Sad to see that in an age of what should be hightened education thanks to the availability of information via the Internet, that people can be so stupid. I bet when you have 2 guns in your face from a couple guys on the street in Philly, your are praying that a cop drives by to save your ass. Double standards, right???

This is sort of how I feel when I hear people badmouth cops on the internet. I mean sure there are bad cops out there, but what percentage (pretty low I would imagine)? And name any other job in the world out there where there aren't people who are bad at their job, just because some people are bad at their job doesn't really mean everyone is. Not to mention how many people have jobs where the people that they "work for" might threaten, hurt, or even kill them?

stickfig13

I can't believe how many people overlook the conduct of criminals after a few cops get a little too agressive.

As far as I'm concerned, if these scumbags did what they are accused of, the cops should have put the 9mm to the back of their heads and saved us all a lot of trouble.

SilverSeed

stickfig13 wrote:

I can't believe how many people overlook the conduct of criminals after a few cops get a little too agressive.

As far as I'm concerned, if these scumbags did what they are accused of, the cops should have put the 9mm to the back of their heads and saved us all a lot of trouble.

Wow. Just wow. Yeah, instead of a justice system let's just let cops kill whoever they please. I guess if this is the sentiment of some I shouldn't be surprised that many want to give these cops a pass because the general job of a police officer is tough.

How about the flip side of that. These guys became cops knowing the dangers of the job. I don't see the guys on Deadliest Catch flipping out and killing crabs or their captains. Because they're not douche bags...

stickfig13

SilverSeed wrote:

Wow. Just wow. Yeah, instead of a justice system let's just let cops kill whoever they please. I guess if this is the sentiment of some I shouldn't be surprised that many want to give these cops a pass because the general job of a police officer is tough.

How about the flip side of that. These guys became cops knowing the dangers of the job. I don't see the guys on Deadliest Catch flipping out and killing crabs or their captains. Because they're not douche bags...

No giving them a pass....I just don't give two shits about people who shoot guns into crowds of people and run from the cops.


and...

That is a very weak comparison!

Evidence by the Philly cop who was shot.....I think have cops have more to be concerned with

NOCODE#1

radiohead33 wrote:

I have no respect, NONE, for police officers.

here's to your future 41 holes! you'll respect them when they got their boot in your ass. its this kind of attitude that is a major part of the problem.

musicismylife78

Kel Varnsen wrote:

This is sort of how I feel when I hear people badmouth cops on the internet. I mean sure there are bad cops out there, but what percentage (pretty low I would imagine)? And name any other job in the world out there where there aren't people who are bad at their job, just because some people are bad at their job doesn't really mean everyone is. Not to mention how many people have jobs where the people that they "work for" might threaten, hurt, or even kill them?

how about the people who bad mouth people from the inner city. Police justify their ridiculous tactics by suggesting they deal with rapists, murderers and thugs, and usually they refer to blacks in the inner city. How many of the people they arrest and beat and shoot at are really maniacal criminals? How many are just trying to survive. Again double standard. Either your for equal punishment for both cops and criminals or your not for any punishment at all. How many people are killed daily by Police?

I dont owe the police a goddamn thing. If someone robbed my house at gunpoint, I would rather be shot and killed than call the pigs. They are racist, brutal animals, they certainly arent hanging on my wall of heroes!

musicismylife78

NOCODE#1 wrote:

here's to your future 41 holes! you'll respect them when they got their boot in your ass. its this kind of attitude that is a major part of the problem.

as opposed to the problem being the police who shove brooms up peoples butts, who rape women, who engage in drug dealing, who harass and brutalize citizens based on race and socioeconomic status.

Yeah, its my statements that are the problem! I must as well shut up, and everything will be hunky dory! Great idea No Code!

Again, it always amazes, how you have people coming out of the woodwork to defend police, no matter how absurd their actions. Amadou Diallo is shot 41 times, shots piercing his soles of his feet showing the police fired even when he was on the ground. He was unarmed. And still you had multiple people coming to the police's defense.

stickfig13

radiohead33 wrote:

how about the people who bad mouth people from the inner city. Police justify their ridiculous tactics by suggesting they deal with rapists, murderers and thugs, and usually they refer to blacks in the inner city. How many of the people they arrest and beat and shoot at are really maniacal criminals? How many are just trying to survive. Again double standard. Either your for equal punishment for both cops and criminals or your not for any punishment at all. How many people are killed daily by Police?

I dont owe the police a goddamn thing. If someone robbed my house at gunpoint, I would rather be shot and killed than call the pigs. They are racist, brutal animals, they certainly arent hanging on my wall of heroes!

Well let me be the first to say that stereotypes don't just pop out of thin air.

Maybe it's these "inner city people's" way of "surviving" that gets them picked up by the cops.

Everybody is a victim all the time! Poor me! It's the cop's fault I'm robbing, stealing and murdering. I personally do not have any problems with the cops. Maybe it's because I don't break the law. Maybe it's because when they pull me over, I pull over. Maybe it's because I don't carry a gun to shoot people with.

Where do you live?

I will be sure to tell the cops not to bother...

stickfig13

radiohead33 wrote:

as opposed to the problem being the police who shove brooms up peoples butts, who rape women, who engage in drug dealing, who harass and brutalize citizens based on race and socioeconomic status.

Yeah, its my statements that are the problem! I must as well shut up, and everything will be hunky dory! Great idea No Code!

Again, it always amazes, how you have people coming out of the woodwork to defend police, no matter how absurd their actions. Amadou Diallo is shot 41 times, shots piercing his soles of his feet showing the police fired even when he was on the ground. He was unarmed. And still you had multiple people coming to the police's defense.

Would you rather we take the side of criminals?

You're acting like everyone arrested for crime is innocent.

Can I get some proof that any of the above has actually happened....??

NOCODE#1

radiohead33 wrote:

How many are just trying to survive. !

you been by not bettering themselves mentally and being held accountable?

NOCODE#1

stickfig13 wrote:

Well let me be the first to say that stereotypes don't just pop out of thin air.

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You're right! I worked at mcds most of my teen years. Every African American customer i waited on, ordered sprite or orange. It's not a stereotype when it's true.

musicismylife78

stickfig13 wrote:

Would you rather we take the side of criminals?

You're acting like everyone arrested for crime is innocent.

Can I get some proof that any of the above has actually happened....??

uhh... read a newspaper. Or maybe use the search function. Sean bell, Amadou Diallo, Abner Louima. Sorry to be mean, but those names arent out of nowhere buddy. They are famous cases. Rodney King etc...

If you dont want me acting like everyone arrested for a crime is innocent, maybe I should act like the police, who do the opposite and act like everyone accused of a crime is guilty.

over 60 percent of people in prison are of color. 1 in every 3 african american men is in prison. in wash dc something like 95+ percent of people in prison are african american. You have people like Mumia, and Leonard Peltier and the Wm3. Yeah, I best not suggest that those who are in prison are innocent. That would be a lie. Yeah your right! Its not like there is overwhelming evidence that the majority of african american males are in jail for nonviolent drug offense right! Or that the judicial system favors the rich and white!

Yeah maybe I dont know what I am talking about. Then again I have a degree in sociology and took multiple classes on race, class and the justice system. So then again maybe I know something!

musicismylife78

NOCODE#1 wrote:

you been by not bettering themselves mentally and being held accountable?

So if african american males that live in basically war zones, arent just trying to survive, what in the hell are the police in that metaphor?

How are the police bettering themselves? Since Rodney King we heard endless crap dribbling from their mouths about how things changed, and how they would be more sensitive to blacks and the poor, about how all that was a thing of the past.

17 years later, you still have racist police.

Gee I wonder why people are so pissed at the police? Could it be because they are a bunch of psycho rabid blood hungry killers who shoot people on little to no pretense?

Nah, I wouldnt want to push my luck with that theory, right no code!

musicismylife78

stickfig13 wrote:

Well let me be the first to say that stereotypes don't just pop out of thin air.

Maybe it's these "inner city people's" way of "surviving" that gets them picked up by the cops.

Everybody is a victim all the time! Poor me! It's the cop's fault I'm robbing, stealing and murdering. I personally do not have any problems with the cops. Maybe it's because I don't break the law. Maybe it's because when they pull me over, I pull over. Maybe it's because I don't carry a gun to shoot people with.

Where do you live?

I will be sure to tell the cops not to bother...

So rodney king and abner louima brought it on themselves? Rodney King beaten 52 times and abner louima raped with a broom by NY's finest. Yeah it was their fault! How stupid of me to overlook the obvious! They deserved it! Gee thanks for clearing that up!

And of course Amadou Diallo, he wasnt armed, and didnt have a knife, and didnt provoke the police, he was just at his vestibule trying to enter his apartment. But of course, that deadly wallet. He shouldnt of had that, he was killed because he was stupid enough to have a wallet. I agree it was his fault.

And sean bell, he shouldnt have been at that strip bar, he shouldnt jhave been unarmed. And he shouldnt have been black.

Yeah now that I see it your way, it makes sense. It was all their fault.

thanks! I can see clearly now!

And of course, those 3 men deserved to be beaten because a fellow cop died. Yeah, again, my eyes are open now!

And the WM3 deserve to be in jail because they listen to heavy metal and like black t shirts.

Gee now I am getting the hang of it. I am officially not a radical anymore!

Yippee!

thanks no code and stickfig! this is great

musicismylife78

stickfig13 wrote:

Well let me be the first to say that stereotypes don't just pop out of thin air.

Maybe it's these "inner city people's" way of "surviving" that gets them picked up by the cops.

Everybody is a victim all the time! Poor me! It's the cop's fault I'm robbing, stealing and murdering. I personally do not have any problems with the cops. Maybe it's because I don't break the law. Maybe it's because when they pull me over, I pull over. Maybe it's because I don't carry a gun to shoot people with.

Where do you live?

I will be sure to tell the cops not to bother...

Anyone want to answer the question thats been asked by me 5 times now. When is it ever okay for a citizen to kill a cop, because it seems like its okay for a cop to do anything to anyone and it is okay and justified. I am gonna keep asking until you cowards who support the pigs answer.

Simple question, why the hesitation?

Either your for fair treatment of all, or your for fairtreatment of none.

Solat13

I just came back from the rally and memorial fundraiser for Sgt. Liczbinski. And I'm glad there was a huge turnout. Real classy move by the local sports teams. All of them donated items for a silent auction and the Flyers are having a moment of silence before the playoff game next week and inviting his family to the game.

flyinwhole313

radiohead33 wrote:

how about the people who bad mouth people from the inner city. Police justify their ridiculous tactics by suggesting they deal with rapists, murderers and thugs, and usually they refer to blacks in the inner city. How many of the people they arrest and beat and shoot at are really maniacal criminals? How many are just trying to survive. Again double standard. Either your for equal punishment for both cops and criminals or your not for any punishment at all. How many people are killed daily by Police?

I dont owe the police a goddamn thing. If someone robbed my house at gunpoint, I would rather be shot and killed than call the pigs. They are racist, brutal animals, they certainly arent hanging on my wall of heroes!

This is the beauty of the U.S.A. -We all have the right to free speech- even if we have a juvenile outlook of the world we live in. This is the problem with Grand Theft Auto- The morons who were sitting in their Parents houses playing this game for the past 10 years have no real concept of reality. Amazing! Respect is not in the vocabulary of a majority of this country's 10-25 year old denomination.