but the dalai lama teaches us that life IS suffering!
Maybe so. And a fine fellow he is, not that I have much support for religious leaders, but he looks like a very kind man. However, I may be able to choose to deal with my own suffering, to live my life and deal with suffering as it comes along for myself. BUT I believe I have no right to make that decision for anybody else.
yep, i can see that i have confused you.i haven't been online, so missed discussion and just to lazy to catch up with it.
my previous quote has nothing to do with abortion.
no you don't. you're an aussie and you're a battler.
I am Dinghy. And I will battle on. But I know what's coming and if I decide that I cannot battle on then that's my decision to make surely? I'm here now and absolutely embracing life to the fullest of my ability but I believe my parents lives would have been better for them, had they not married because I was born. That so many things would have been different. It's all conjecture now anyway because I'm here.
Well know1 I'm not going to be arguing with you about this.
My opinion is that abortion should be available to women. It is. End of story.
I firmly believe that my parent's life would have been better if they had chosen to abort me. So it's not like I can't see all sides of the situation dispassionately. And if I wasn't here then so be it.
I don't believe in life above all else. I believe in quality of life.
I will not watch or allow suffering under my nose and if I had to, if I saw someone I loved suffering, in excrutiating pain, then maybe I could end their suffering should they ask it of me. I wouldn't allow an animal to suffer, I'm hardly going to watch it happen to people that I love. BUT that is all irrelevant, because ultimately, that is MY decision based on the circumstances I MAY find myself in. and I completely accept that other people a) don't share my views and b) may never be in the circumstance where they have to make that decision.
But at the time the abortion decision is reached, the child ISN'T SUFFERING. So you're in favor of being able to kill him/her just because they MIGHT suffer later. Why not wait until you're sure and then kill them?
And again I ask, how many small children wish they hadn't been born or wish someone would kill them regardless of their life circumstances. In my observation, that number is extremely low.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
But at the time the abortion decision is reached, the child ISN'T SUFFERING. So you're in favor of being able to kill him/her just because they MIGHT suffer later. Why not wait until you're sure and then kill them?
And again I ask, how many small children wish they hadn't been born or wish someone would kill them regardless of their life circumstances. In my observation, that number is extremely low.
Ok know1, well like I said not going to argue. I've made my opinion clear enough for you and you have made yours clear enough to me. Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate hearing your views.
Ok know1, well like I said not going to argue. I've made my opinion clear enough for you and you have made yours clear enough to me. Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate hearing your views.
I.e. you don't have any statements to make that support your view...
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i have been at the point where all i had to do is take a lift up to floor 22 and that was it... if you know what i mean... just dont go there ok. i didn't take that lift to the 22nd floor and i am here today to share me with my missus daughter and two crazy feckin pooches...
you mean so much to your folks it aint even true! they love you and you mean the world to them./ and i bet you love them like nothin else
you are here
you make a difference to the world
keep making it
I will do my very best Dinghy. And I mostly think I'll die of old age or something but should illness or suffering become a 24/7 deal, then I'd have to reconsider. May still choose to live but I would certainly be exploring all my options. And my family are cool with that. I mean they understand. We have all discussed it. Many times. They understand that I love them and I understand that they love me, but should suffering become an overwhelming part of my life, then we've had the discussion and the decision then lies with me. We have agreed on this. I strongly suspect that I will always wake each day and want to continue. If I've made it through some of the crap I have so far and always found a reason to keep going then I doubt anything will change that now, but I can't predict the future. SO I have thought it through and I have made my informed choices. Quality over quantity will always be my motto. I can only take each day at a time, same as everyone else.
I'm glad we are both still here though! Fancy missing this fun little evening!!
I'm bored? I'm not the one that turned the abortion thread into a chat room. Ever hear of MSN Messenger?
I am leaving the thread now. Clearly you need to be antagonistic or for some reason you need to attack me. Fine. Knock yourself out. Like I said, Saturday night, not the time for this discussion. And if you're not bored with the turn this discussion has taken I certainly am. Hope you have a great day anyway. Truly.
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Maybe so. And a fine fellow he is, not that I have much support for religious leaders, but he looks like a very kind man. However, I may be able to choose to deal with my own suffering, to live my life and deal with suffering as it comes along for myself. BUT I believe I have no right to make that decision for anybody else.
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my previous quote has nothing to do with abortion.
I am Dinghy.
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But at the time the abortion decision is reached, the child ISN'T SUFFERING. So you're in favor of being able to kill him/her just because they MIGHT suffer later. Why not wait until you're sure and then kill them?
And again I ask, how many small children wish they hadn't been born or wish someone would kill them regardless of their life circumstances. In my observation, that number is extremely low.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Ok well it's not meant to offend you Dinghy. Certainly not my intention, it's just the way I see it.
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sorry, i think i confused you even more. switchkill is someone on this forum
oh yep!! though his posts do anger me at times, i do think he is a valuable member.
Ok know1, well like I said not going to argue. I've made my opinion clear enough for you and you have made yours clear enough to me. Thanks for the discussion. I appreciate hearing your views.
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Aussie you rock!!!
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I.e. you don't have any statements to make that support your view...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I will do my very best Dinghy. And I mostly think I'll die of old age or something but should illness or suffering become a 24/7 deal, then I'd have to reconsider. May still choose to live but I would certainly be exploring all my options. And my family are cool with that. I mean they understand. We have all discussed it. Many times. They understand that I love them and I understand that they love me, but should suffering become an overwhelming part of my life, then we've had the discussion and the decision then lies with me. We have agreed on this. I strongly suspect that I will always wake each day and want to continue. If I've made it through some of the crap I have so far and always found a reason to keep going then I doubt anything will change that now, but I can't predict the future. SO I have thought it through and I have made my informed choices. Quality over quantity will always be my motto.
I'm glad we are both still here though! Fancy missing this fun little evening!!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
*~You're IT Bert!~*
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I'm bored? I'm not the one that turned the abortion thread into a chat room. Ever hear of MSN Messenger?
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Now I'm going to play somewhere else because this subject is too heavy for a Saturday night. Ok? See you elsewhere.
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I am leaving the thread now. Clearly you need to be antagonistic or for some reason you need to attack me. Fine. Knock yourself out. Like I said, Saturday night, not the time for this discussion. And if you're not bored with the turn this discussion has taken I certainly am. Hope you have a great day anyway. Truly.
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