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  • Dog Loyal
    Dog Loyal Posts: 336
    Jeanie wrote:
    Me too. :)
    Maybe everyone, male and female, should be put on some kind of birth control until they are 25, and at that point, *if* they want kids, they have to take a parenting exam of some kind, sign a bunch of "intent to parent" contracts and get licensed to go off birth control. ;)

    Tinkering towards dystopia...
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    bee_boy wrote:
    You're the nice, Aussie, icon-using girl that hijacked the "Overrated bands" thread, right?

    :o Well, aussie, icon using, sometimes nice girl. :) Don't know about hijacking. I mean I wasn't trying to. Why? :)
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Jeanie wrote:
    Me too. :)

    Is this reason enough?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17119478/
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Dog Loyal wrote:
    Maybe everyone, male and female, should be put on some kind of birth control until they are 25, and at that point, *if* they want kids, they have to take a parenting exam of some kind, sign a bunch of "intent to parent" contracts and get licensed to go off birth control. ;)

    Tinkering towards dystopia...

    That is an excellent idea!! :) I've always said you need a licence to drive a car, a licence to catch fish, a licence to own a dog but any "f**ker can have a kid! Of course I'd hate to be advocating controlling people quite so much, but it is an excellent idea. Shame we have to even consider it. Education just doesn't seem to be working though does it? At some point I guess we just have to accept it's the human condition. :)
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Is this reason enough?

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17119478/

    Hi Thumbing. How are you? :)

    Before I open this, I just want to make sure, you aren't planning on scarring my brain first thing in the morning before I'm awake are you? This is an abortion thread after all, and I'm still trying to recover from the vile stuff that CW posted in the other threads. You tell me it's ok and I can trust you first. :)
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  • Dog Loyal
    Dog Loyal Posts: 336
    Jeanie wrote:
    Hi Thumbing. How are you? :)

    Before I open this, I just want to make sure, you aren't planning on scarring my brain first thing in the morning before I'm awake are you? This is an abortion thread after all, and I'm still trying to recover from the vile stuff that CW posted in the other threads. You tell me it's ok and I can trust you first. :)
    It was an article about adoptive parents doing a better job than accidental ones.
    The kids of today should defend themselves against the Seventies Nineties.
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Jeanie wrote:
    Hi Thumbing. How are you? :)

    Before I open this, I just want to make sure, you aren't planning on scarring my brain first thing in the morning before I'm awake are you? This is an abortion thread after all, and I'm still trying to recover from the vile stuff that CW posted in the other threads. You tell me it's ok and I can trust you first. :)

    Ohh yeah. It's about abortion. Atleast it is in my opinion. It's very relevant to soulsingings comment.

    Morning!? I'm just getting my evening started! :p
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    soulsinging wrote:
    no they are not. you don't need religion to feel that there is life at conception and i know MANY people who feel exactly that way.
    but person no...big difference in my book......using dogs post...acorns are alive...just as a newly impregnated egg....I know I'm using terrible terminoligy...please excuse.
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Dog Loyal wrote:
    It was an article about adoptive parents doing a better job than accidental ones.


    Not accidental. Biological. Huge difference.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

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    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    bee_boy wrote:
    It's all cool. What you said: "If a person truely feels that its a person at conception they're using their religion...which is logically flawed", doesn't make much sense to ME. That is, say that a religion is flawed by using logic. Most non-religious people I know basically go by the "if I don't understand it, then it's wrong" rule. I'm a very religious person and one of the things that I've found with religion is that you can't explain everything. Ok, so a lot of you would say "that's what the dickhead says because he can't explain all the nonsense that his church preaches", well it's not that. I just think that religion is supposed to be like that. Based upon a being that is so divine that it will always remain a mystery for us.

    Being in a board full of Atheists and Agnostics I shouldn't be so open about this since I'd more than likely get some sort of verbal attack, but I'm not trying to impose whatever it is that I believe in. I mean, I'm VERY happy being a religious person and I try my best to live as a good man. That's enough for me.

    and I know I should be more open minded...its just, rightly or wrongly, I question everything....I don't rely on faith...I need proof.....and yes I get calous on this board...and trrrrryyyyy not to......but.....
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    callen wrote:
    but person no...big difference in my book......using dogs post...acorns are alive...just as a newly impregnated egg....I know I'm using terrible terminoligy...please excuse.

    :rolleyes:

    makes no difference. you don't need religion to feel that there is a person at conception and i know MANY people who feel exactly that way. there, corrected. let's not play semantics.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    bee_boy wrote:
    As a brief parenthesis, I JUST BECAME A SOLDIER OF LOVE! :D

    and I don't want to loose this title...so am posting sparingly....
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • Dog Loyal
    Dog Loyal Posts: 336
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Not accidental. Biological. Huge difference.
    Well, when I read the article I was thinking "masters of the obvious." Because of course all of the intent required in adoption is generally going to add up to more invested, responsible parenting. I suppose that may be true whether the child in question was concieved intentionally or accidentally.

    What about those parents that go though years of invasive infertility treatments? Are they as good at parenting as the adoptive parents?
    The kids of today should defend themselves against the Seventies Nineties.
  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    Dog Loyal wrote:
    Well, when I read the article I was thinking "masters of the obvious." Because of course all of the intent required in adoption is generally going to add up to more invested, responsible parenting. I suppose that may be true whether the child in question was concieved intentionally or accidentally.

    What about those parents that go though years of invasive infertility treatments? Are they as good at parenting as the adoptive parents?

    I actually believe that article has a political objective. I simply used it in an argument I don't believe they intended for it to be.
    "Sarcasm: intellect on the offensive"

    "What I lack in decorum, I make up for with an absence of tact."

    Camden 5-28-06
    Washington, D.C. 6-22-08
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    soulsinging wrote:
    :rolleyes:

    makes no difference. you don't need religion to feel that there is a person at conception and i know MANY people who feel exactly that way. there, corrected. let's not play semantics.

    okay..now I'm getting what your saying...soooory for being slow......and I wasn't playing the semantics game.....life and person being two totally different concepts....but I still don't understand from a logical point of veiw how a person would equate a newly fertilized eggs with a few cells as being a human without having some religious influence....and I understand there will be the exception..you being one obviously.....I know of no one else personally that feels this way. Well except my religious freinds....god bless their souls (-:
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    Dog Loyal wrote:
    It was an article about adoptive parents doing a better job than accidental ones.

    Thanks DL, I'll take a look now. :)
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    ThumbingMyWay32 wrote:
    Ohh yeah. It's about abortion. Atleast it is in my opinion. It's very relevant to soulsingings comment.

    Morning!? I'm just getting my evening started! :p

    Cool! Taking a look now.

    And yes, it's 10.30am Saturday morning here. :)

    And you are on Friday night there right? :)

    Catch up!! ;):D
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    I must say, reading back through the whole thing, this has been an excellently conducted discussion. Almost everyone has added interesting, thoughtful comment regardless of what side of the debate they sit at.
    And I have to say, having watched this divisive subject keenly over the years, it's no small feat that this has occured. So well done to everyone who contributed in this spirit. :)

    Dog Loyal, I have to say that I agree with you the most. As well as the thread starter, of course, which I think I mentioned previously. :)
    Thank you girl, for providing what I could not. A well rounded, consistent, unemotional opinion. :) It really has done me the world of good to see someone so eloquently put forward the views that you have amidst the chorus of disapproval which I'm sure you knew was coming. I'm so very sorry for your loss and the trauma it must have been for you. It's a credit to you that you honor your child in this way. Thank you so much for sharing. :)

    Thumbing, thanks for the link on adoption. It is an interesting theory, one that I had questions about the validity of the study on, or should I say questions regarding bias. But an interesting article. Thank you. :)

    bee_boy it's VERY refreshing to be able to read a reasoned, non-emotive, friendly discussion from someone who is religious. You are to be congratulated on your efforts. :)

    Soulsinging, I really appreciate the way you have contributed to this discussion. :)
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  • DinghyDog
    DinghyDog Posts: 587
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  • Jeanie
    Jeanie Posts: 9,446
    DinghyDog wrote:
    abortion is murder

    I disagree, but you know that already. You are of course entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine. :)

    DinghyDog wrote:
    life is all about choices

    you should be able to make the choice if you need to

    I completely agree. :)

    DinghyDog wrote:
    but you need to deal with the consequences

    That's life. Actions and consequences. We ALL have to deal with consequences. :)
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