crazy calif liberals won't let us beat our children

sponger

soulsinging wrote:

typical liberal arrogance. if they wont play with me, ill declare myself victor. this is why you shoulda been spanked... maybe you'd realize you dont always get your way and people arent going to hold your hand and stroke your ego your entire life.

i was spanked. im hardly damaged by it. actually, i was hit with a belt. im still here. im not in therapy. i dont weep abotu it or think my parents dont love me. i just learned that if you break the rules, there are consequences.

I guess spanking influenced your mindset as well. You obviously think calling the other person an idiot is a viable means of communication.

Those spankings, while seemingly harmless to you, stunted your ability to see things on an eye-to-eye level. This is why you think indulging someone in conversation equates to "holding someone's hand".

The reason why you wanted your parents to hold your hand was because you were a child. But because this state of mind was beaten instead of rationalized out of you, you go around subconsciously thinking everyone else must want the same thing.

My advice is to dig deep inside yourself and hold your own hand for awhile. Then you might realize that some people prefer to exchange points of view instead of slinging insults because they have the ability to see each other as equals, not because they need their childishness beaten out of them like your parents did to you.

trappedinmyradio

this is why you're an idiot...people are different. i don't see you as an equal because i don't feel you are on the same level as i am. it has nothing to do with me being spanked. it has to do with your lack of ability to see the world through objective, logical eyes.

sponger wrote:

I guess spanking influenced your mindset as well. You obviously think calling the other person an idiot is a viable means of communication.

Those spankings, while seemingly harmless to you, stunted your ability to see things on an eye-to-eye level. This is why you think indulging someone in conversation equates to "holding someone's hand".

The reason why you wanted your parents to hold your hand was because you were a child. But because this state of mind was beaten instead of rationalized out of you, you go around subconsciously thinking everyone else must want the same thing.

My advice is to dig deep inside yourself and hand your own hand for awhile. Then you might realize that some people would rather exchange points of view instead of slinging insults because they have the ability to see each other as equals, not because they need their childishness beaten out of them like your parents did to you.

sponger

trappedinmyradio wrote:

this is why you're an idiot...people are different. i don't see you as an equal because i don't feel you are on the same level as i am. it has nothing to do with me being spanked. it has to do with your lack of ability to see the world through objective, logical eyes.

All you're really saying right there is that because I don't see things your way, I lack objectivity and logic. And, oh yeah, you're calling me an idiot.

But, you haven't substantiated any of that with any supporting ideas. So, it's all just blowing smoke on your part.

When you want to talk about why you think the way you do by actually breaking it down into a series of related ideas organized into a logical pattern, then I'm all ears.

But, you haven't even been able to come close to that. You instead close your ears and call the other person an idiot. This is the childish cry baby side of you that was never properly dealt with as a result of it being beaten out of you. You have some growing up to do. This is because you were expected to grow up the wrong way. Emotional maturity is not a matter of "forcing" out what your parents told you was childish. It's a matter of thinking your feeilngs and thoughts through until you understand where they originated from and what purpose they've served until that point.

But the 12 y/o who says "I hate you" because he doesn't get his way still lingers about inside yourself without your knowledge and makes himself known by acting the way that you're acting right now.

trappedinmyradio

no, i told you why i disagree with you, and i told you why it is useless to talk about it...becuase you don't understand. if you did understand, you wouldn't have to ask the question. i don't waste my time with people like you.

sponger wrote:

All you're really saying right there is that because I don't see things your way, I lack objectivity and logic. And, oh yeah, you're calling me an idiot.

But, you haven't substantiated any of that with any supporting ideas. So, it's all just blowing smoke on your part.

When you want to talk about why you think the way you do by actually breaking it down into a series of related ideas organized into a logical pattern, then I'm all ears.

But, you haven't even been able to come close to that. You instead close your ears and call the other person an idiot. This is the childish cry baby side of you that was never properly dealt with as a result of it being beaten out of you. You have some growing up to do. This is because you were expected to grow up the wrong way. Emotional maturity is not a matter of "forcing" out what your parents told you was childish. It's a matter of thinking your feeilngs and thoughts through until you understand where they originated from and what purpose they've served until that point.

But the 12 y/o who says "I hate you" because he doesn't get his way still lingers about inside yourself without your knowledge and makes himself known by acting the way that you're acting right now.

sponger

trappedinmyradio wrote:

no, i told you why i disagree with you, and i told you why it is useless to talk about it...becuase you don't understand. if you did understand, you wouldn't have to ask the question. i don't waste my time with people like you.

"Because you don't understand" is not a reason, and that's the only reason you've been able to put forth. The fact that I have to explain this to you more than once is somewhat baffling. Do you need special helpings of common sense? I'm here all night. I guess I should keep in mind that you're probably used to be spanked before changing your views. While I cannot accommodate that particular need of yours, I will try to do the linguistic equivalent if that be to your liking.

angelica

sponger wrote:

I guess spanking influenced your mindset as well. You obviously think calling the other person an idiot is a viable means of communication.

Those spankings, while seemingly harmless to you, stunted your ability to see things on an eye-to-eye level. This is why you think indulging someone in conversation equates to "holding someone's hand".

The reason why you wanted your parents to hold your hand was because you were a child. But because this state of mind was beaten instead of rationalized out of you, you go around subconsciously thinking everyone else must want the same thing.

My advice is to dig deep inside yourself and hold your own hand for awhile. Then you might realize that some people prefer to exchange points of view instead of slinging insults because they have the ability to see each other as equals, not because they need their childishness beaten out of them like your parents did to you.

I agree with your basic concepts here:

1: When someone calls another person an idiot, or implies it, it is an indicator they are not able to have a balanced, rational exchange. Rather, it indicates their thoughts are being distorted by emotions beneath the surface.

2: You hit the nail on the head with this: reasonably and fairly exchanging points of view is not hand-holding. As a matter of fact, the way to have a logical, healthy, balanced adult conversation is by being reasonable, which is the opposite of slinging or implying insults. The way one avoids corrupting their logic with unacknowledged emotion IS to get in touch wtih that emotion through healthy channels so it doesn't slip out in all kinds of "you're an idiot" implications. When one is about jumping on another for their view, one is indicating they do not know how to hold their own emotional hand.

3: Using the "you're an idiot" stance, whether directly or by implication indicates we are not operating in a balanced manner. It has nothing to do with the person we think is an idiot, but rather with our own perception.