Dying Bees theories...

rgambs

70% of the 1% lol
That would be a good song!

In all seriousness, I don't think the 1% is the problem, it's the .01% that are the real nasty fuckers keeping the world in chains!

brianlux

rgambs said:

70% of the 1% lol
That would be a good song!

In all seriousness, I don't think the 1% is the problem, it's the .01% that are the real nasty fuckers keeping the world in chains!

Could be, Gambs. Amazing how so few control so many and so much. I suppose its always been that way. We can but dream to change that... and each do our own little part toward that end.

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

rgambs said:

70% of the 1% lol
That would be a good song!

In all seriousness, I don't think the 1% is the problem, it's the .01% that are the real nasty fuckers keeping the world in chains!

Could be, Gambs. Amazing how so few control so many and so much. I suppose its always been that way. We can but dream to change that... and each do our own little part toward that end.

ever since modern "society". kings and queens. rich as fuck with all of their subjects.

freedom through oppression.

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

70% of the 1% lol
That would be a good song!

In all seriousness, I don't think the 1% is the problem, it's the .01% that are the real nasty fuckers keeping the world in chains!

The one percent
Rich as fuck
Freedom through oppression
Just my luck

We’re all your subjects
Subjects in society
Who made you king?
All such calamity

We can but dream to change
Each do our part
Work as a team
Where do we start?

We’re all but bees
We feed the queen
The wind bends the trees
We need the dream

So few have control
Can’t control a thing
Hoard all the bones
We choke on the wing

brianlux

paulonious said:

rgambs said:

70% of the 1% lol
That would be a good song!

In all seriousness, I don't think the 1% is the problem, it's the .01% that are the real nasty fuckers keeping the world in chains!

The one percent
Rich as fuck
Freedom through oppression
Just my luck

We’re all your subjects
Subjects in society
Who made you king?
All such calamity

We can but dream to change
Each do our part
Work as a team
Where do we start?

We’re all but bees
We feed the queen
The wind bends the trees
We need the dream

So few have control
Can’t control a thing
Hoard all the bones
We choke on the wing

Excellent verse there, P. Well done!

gimmesometruth27

wow, lots of old school names in this thread.

rip hippiemom.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

This is majorly fucked up:

http://earthweareone.com/37-million-bees-found-dead-in-ontario-canada-after-planting-large-gmo-corn-field/

37 Million Bees Found Dead In Ontario, Canada After Planting Large GMO Corn Field

Millions of bees dropped dead after GMO corn was planted few weeks ago in Ontario, Canada. The local bee keeper, Dave Schuit who produces honey in Elmwood lost about 37 million bees which are about 600 hives.

Full article at link. When will these people ever wake up?

Brian, the headline to this article and your summary are extremely misleading - it suggests that the crop being a GMO one somehow made the bees die, which is absolutely not the case. The bees are suspected to have died from the legal use of neonicotinoid pesticides. The fact that the corn was GMO actually had absolutely nothing to do with it as far as I can tell, after reading the article. If we're going to be worried and outraged here, let's at least direct it to the right place, which in this case would be Bayer CropScience Inc. and the Canadian and US departments of Agriculture, without GMOs having a thing to do with it specifically.

rgambs

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

This is majorly fucked up:

http://earthweareone.com/37-million-bees-found-dead-in-ontario-canada-after-planting-large-gmo-corn-field/

37 Million Bees Found Dead In Ontario, Canada After Planting Large GMO Corn Field

Millions of bees dropped dead after GMO corn was planted few weeks ago in Ontario, Canada. The local bee keeper, Dave Schuit who produces honey in Elmwood lost about 37 million bees which are about 600 hives.

Full article at link. When will these people ever wake up?

Brian, the headline to this article and your summary are extremely misleading - it suggests that the crop being a GMO one somehow made the bees die, which is absolutely not the case. The bees are suspected to have died from the legal use of neonicotinoid pesticides. The fact that the corn was GMO actually had absolutely nothing to do with it as far as I can tell, after reading the article. If we're going to be worried and outraged here, let's at least direct it to the right place, which in this case would be Bayer CropScience Inc. and the Canadian and US departments of Agriculture, without GMOs having a thing to do with it specifically.

Not exactly. The link between GM crops and neonicotinoid use is strong. Here is a nice breakdown of the tangled relationship.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2012/05/16/what-do-gmo-seeds-have-do-bee-die-offs-corn-belt

PJ_Soul

I think that article also completely misrepresents the problem. GMOs are not the issue here. If you read that carefully, it's clear that whether or not the crops are GMOs is ultimately irrelevant. The only reason they are a factor is because they are what happens to be most conveniently available for playing around with pesticides. All of the other factors mentioned in this article are what matter, and the GMO thing is really just a distraction. GMOs or no GMOs, the results are inevitable because of changes in practices and use of pesticides over time. If there weren't GMOs we'd be just as fucked.

The reason I'm arguing this is because it is becoming frustrating to me thst so many people are demonizing GMOs for all the wrong reasons. As far as i can tell, most people don't even know why they dislike them, or if they do, they are going off of false facts. They just know they don't. And this is a disservice to the entire world, since it puts focus on all the wrong issues, while the real.issie that should be of concern when it comes to GMOs - economics - is being almost completely ignored, even though that is the factor that might be most effectively and positivelydealt with, and this is to the great disadvantage of farmers and local economies around the world.

Anyway, GMOs or no GMOs, bees are dying. Hauling out the pitchforks in protest of GMOs is not going to change that. The outrage needs to be directed towards the government and pesticide industry.

PJ_Soul

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/27446-did-gmo-corn-really-kill-all-those-bees-in-canada

http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/gmobeedeaths.asp

HughFreakingDillon

I read earthweareone's website for entertainment. Take it with a BIG grain of salt.

brianlux

It's so damn hard to know for sure what information is correct, what isn't, so thanks for the input here, PJ_Soul. In any case, the bottom line for me is that a) GMO's are a bad idea. We don't know the long term affect of frankenfood production which is essentially a dire effort to prop up our over-inflated human population . I suppose if one really wants to live in an artificial world, all of this technology is great. Dinosaurs like me would prefer to have the option to live in a natural world with natural cycles. And b) Bee die off, is almost certainly related to human intervention in the natural cycle of things. But then honey bees are also not a part of the natural cycles in North America. They are an introduced species. We have changed the planet. That is why Bill McKibben renamed it "Eaarth". The more we change natural cycles, the more we change the planet. A very weird and strange experiment which very may well result in our own disappearance from the scene. I guess I really am a dinosaur. I will happily slide into the mud some day.