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Dying Bees theories...

THCTHC Posts: 525
edited May 2007 in A Moving Train
I was wondering what people think is the cause of the dying bees? If people haven't heard...like 85% of the Bee population has been dying. They have a hand in production of 90% of our food supply through pollination...so its kinda scary. On the news near where i live the other day...they did a story on it...and quoted a bee keeper as saying..."there are several 'smoking guns'.." but then they never said what they are....

I was wondering if anyone has any ideas...or has heard anything that seems like a legitimate reason why they are dying. The only thing i can think of is either a disease in the species...or cell phone towers and such.

what do people think?
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  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    Bees are able to see UV. Maybe that has something to do with it?
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • THCTHC Posts: 525
    binger wrote:
    Bees are able to see UV. Maybe that has something to do with it?

    that's interesting. like the whole...global warming thing....atmosphere letting in too many UV rays...and that is killing more bees now?
    “Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
    -Big Fish
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    I have heard theories of Cell Phone traffic to mite that eat at the membranes of their wings.
    Who knows?
    ...
    But, it is scary... according to Einstein... after the bees become extinct, Mankind has about 4 years.
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  • THCTHC Posts: 525
    Cosmo wrote:
    I have heard theories of Cell Phone traffic to mite that eat at the membranes of their wings.
    Who knows?
    ...
    But, it is scary... according to Einstein... after the bees become extinct, Mankind has about 4 years.



    get the fuck out of here...Einstein actually addressed this topic? and he said that?????
    “Kept in a small bowl, the goldfish will remain small. With more space, the fish can grow double, triple, or quadruple its size.”
    -Big Fish
  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    Bees can see UV
    On the other side,
    Pit Vipers can see infrared
    And Hammerhead sharks Follow Magentic north and south in their migratory patterns.

    We are out of touch with the world around us.

    Einstein said that when all the bees die off, humans have about 4 years to live.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    A pamphlet distributed [in Brussels] by the National Union of French Apiculture quoted Albert Einstein. "If the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live. No more bees, no more pollination ... no more men!" [From Chris Mclaughlin's "Fearful Beekeepers Plead for Curbs on Honey Imports," The Scotsman, 25 January 1994.]

    The beekeepers' warnings had some heavyweight expert support. A pamphlet distributed by the National Union of French Apiculture quoted Albert Einstein. "If the bee disappears from the surface of the earth, man would have no more than four years to live," Einstein was quoted as saying. "No more bees, no more pollination ... no more men!" [From Paul Ames's report for the Associated Press, "Life's Not So Sweet for Europe's Embattled Beekeepers," 24 January 1994.]
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    THC wrote:
    get the fuck out of here...Einstein actually addressed this topic? and he said that?????
    ...
    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/einstein/bees.asp
    ...
    Conclusion: Undetermined
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    Hail, Hail!!!
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    i would suspect it has something to do with what we are doing to the environment ... the arctic seal that recently got rescued in florida is yet another indication ...
  • bingerbinger Posts: 179
    More to add. This is a topic that deeply interests me. Have we thought about the trickle down effects of what may happen. Already farmers are importing bees from all over the world to keep up with supply and demand. This concerns me for 2 reasons.

    Didn't when the British invaded Africa, for whatever reason, the bees brought there combined with the African bee and what resulted was the Killer Bee. I'm pretty sure that it was purposefully bred, but still. When 50,000 Austraiian bees are coming to a Montana farm to offset the shortage, (and that's one farm) what allergens are they bringing with them? What kind of effect will it have on future generations?

    Humans have more of a global impact than we are aware of.
    I want to point out that people who seem to have no power, whether working people, people of color, or women -- once they organize and protest and create movements -- have a voice no government can suppress. Howard Zinn
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    polaris wrote:
    i would suspect it has something to do with what we are doing to the environment ... the arctic seal that recently got rescued in florida is yet another indication ...
    ...
    We will be the ultimate demise of our species... well, actually, our arrogance and our denial will do us in. Mother Earth can only take so much. Mass Extinction is a means for her to heal.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • ajedigeckoajedigecko Posts: 2,430
    everything will be ok.
    live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
  • MrBrianMrBrian Posts: 2,672
    I was reading an article last night that said bee's were traveling with GM crops/pollen back to the hives. Also another story was done about this in 1999. But now it's just on a whole new level.

    People ignored it then. now we are facing a very big problem.
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    We will be the ultimate demise of our species... well, actually, our arrogance and our denial will do us in. Mother Earth can only take so much. Mass Extinction is a means for her to heal.

    unfortunately, suffering discriminates ... and it will be those with all the power and wealth who will survive ...
  • even flow?even flow? Posts: 8,066
    binger wrote:
    More to add. This is a topic that deeply interests me. Have we thought about the trickle down effects of what may happen. Already farmers are importing bees from all over the world to keep up with supply and demand. This concerns me for 2 reasons.

    Didn't when the British invaded Africa, for whatever reason, the bees brought there combined with the African bee and what resulted was the Killer Bee. I'm pretty sure that it was purposefully bred, but still. When 50,000 Austraiian bees are coming to a Montana farm to offset the shortage, (and that's one farm) what allergens are they bringing with them? What kind of effect will it have on future generations?

    Humans have more of a global impact than we are aware of.

    ha ha......Killer bees are just another human experiment that kind of went wrong. Cross breeding, lost queens, oops, voila.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    polaris wrote:
    unfortunately, suffering discriminates ... and it will be those with all the power and wealth who will survive ...
    ...
    How will they without the infrastructure support of all of us 'little grey people'? I'm guessing I'm have better survivor skills than say... Paris Hilton or Karl Rove.
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • polarispolaris Posts: 3,527
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    How will they without the infrastructure support of all of us 'little grey people'? I'm guessing I'm have better survivor skills than say... Paris Hilton or Karl Rove.

    we are the powerful and wealthy!
  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Maybe they were all just really old. ;)
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Cause: Mass denial of reality
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  • mammasanmammasan Posts: 5,656
    Well my theory is that they keep reading Ahnimus' long winded posts and die of boredom.



    just kidding with you.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    I think its obvious this is a result of global warming and climate change. Its not as if we needed yet another piece of evidence to show we are all doomed if we dont change our way of life.

    It also shows why I think all life is connected, why I am a buddhist and why I am a vegetarian, and why I am pacifist.

    One wouldnt think the death of bees would have much impact. But as articles from CNN point out, 90 percent of our food comes from polinated stuff or from bees related products.

    This is going to have major ramifications. Its sad.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    binger wrote:
    More to add. This is a topic that deeply interests me. Have we thought about the trickle down effects of what may happen. Already farmers are importing bees from all over the world to keep up with supply and demand. This concerns me for 2 reasons.

    Didn't when the British invaded Africa, for whatever reason, the bees brought there combined with the African bee and what resulted was the Killer Bee. I'm pretty sure that it was purposefully bred, but still. When 50,000 Austraiian bees are coming to a Montana farm to offset the shortage, (and that's one farm) what allergens are they bringing with them? What kind of effect will it have on future generations?

    Humans have more of a global impact than we are aware of.
    The Honeybee is not native to North America.......the British brought it to these shores 400 years ago......made 400 years is the limit for a non-native species???? :rolleyes: That's a joke, people.

    There are 1000's of bee species......some are just better at pollinating the non-native crops (non-native to North America, that is.)
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  • 69charger69charger Posts: 1,045
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    I think its obvious this is a result of global warming and climate change.

    Why? What evidence has led you to this conclusion?
  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    69charger wrote:
    Why? What evidence has led you to this conclusion?

    What evidence is there to suggest the trend recently for bears now is to refuse to hibernate, what evidence is there to suggest this is not global warming caused?

    How about the fact that the last 7 years or so have been some of the hottest years in the history of western civ. What evidence is there to suggest that this is global warming caused?

    The proof is in the pudding.

    I love it how humans never believe things, until its too late.

    You really want to gamble and say this is non climate change based?

    What evidence suggests it ISNT global warming based?

    Humans have ruined the world, they have pulluted the air, bulldozed habitats, cut down trees, paved roads on previously lived on land...

    and now they have the audacity to continue to deny, deny deny deny

    Global warming is real. if people want to act like nimrod Limbaugh and suggest its just liberal propaganda, they are seriously gambling with their own future and their childrens future.

    Bees are dying as a result of global warming. Case closed. I have yet to hear a more plausible answer.
  • SongburstSongburst Posts: 1,195
    Who's counting the bees? Are we sure that they are really disappearing or is this just some crap that one guy started on the internet and is now spread as fact? This smacks of the KFC breeding beakless boneless chickens rumour that spread around some time ago.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    Bees are dying as a result of global warming. Case closed. I have yet to hear a more plausible answer.

    Well, earlier in the week it was due to cell phones. Who knows what the latest hot Internet conspiracy theory will produce.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    What evidence is there to suggest the trend recently for bears now is to refuse to hibernate, what evidence is there to suggest this is not global warming caused?

    How about the fact that the last 7 years or so have been some of the hottest years in the history of western civ. What evidence is there to suggest that this is global warming caused?

    The proof is in the pudding.

    I love it how humans never believe things, until its too late.

    You really want to gamble and say this is non climate change based?

    What evidence suggests it ISNT global warming based?

    Humans have ruined the world, they have pulluted the air, bulldozed habitats, cut down trees, paved roads on previously lived on land...

    and now they have the audacity to continue to deny, deny deny deny

    Global warming is real. if people want to act like nimrod Limbaugh and suggest its just liberal propaganda, they are seriously gambling with their own future and their childrens future.

    Bees are dying as a result of global warming. Case closed. I have yet to hear a more plausible answer.

    Climate is the likely suspect.

    However, I remember reading about the spread of the africanized honey bees (killer bees). They spread due to an increase in climate temperature.

    I don't know enough about bees to say that this is true for other species though.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Songburst wrote:
    Who's counting the bees? Are we sure that they are really disappearing or is this just some crap that one guy started on the internet and is now spread as fact? This smacks of the KFC breeding beakless boneless chickens rumour that spread around some time ago.

    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/04/17/science-honeybees.html
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • RolandTD20KdrummerRolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Bee vomit is delicious...


    I like when they puke on my toast...
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  • hippiemomhippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Every story I've read about the bees has been focused on the U.S. and Canada. Does anyone know if the same thing being observed with bees on other continents?
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  • pickupyourwillpickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Bee vomit is delicious...


    I like when they puke on my toast...

    eewwoo!--that's nasty.

    So here's a possibly crude, off-color joke for ya. What kind of bees make milk?
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