Dying Bees theories...

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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    binger wrote:
    More to add. This is a topic that deeply interests me. Have we thought about the trickle down effects of what may happen. Already farmers are importing bees from all over the world to keep up with supply and demand. This concerns me for 2 reasons.

    Didn't when the British invaded Africa, for whatever reason, the bees brought there combined with the African bee and what resulted was the Killer Bee. I'm pretty sure that it was purposefully bred, but still. When 50,000 Austraiian bees are coming to a Montana farm to offset the shortage, (and that's one farm) what allergens are they bringing with them? What kind of effect will it have on future generations?

    Humans have more of a global impact than we are aware of.
    The Honeybee is not native to North America.......the British brought it to these shores 400 years ago......made 400 years is the limit for a non-native species???? :rolleyes: That's a joke, people.

    There are 1000's of bee species......some are just better at pollinating the non-native crops (non-native to North America, that is.)
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  • 69charger
    69charger Posts: 1,045
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    I think its obvious this is a result of global warming and climate change.

    Why? What evidence has led you to this conclusion?
  • musicismylife78
    musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    69charger wrote:
    Why? What evidence has led you to this conclusion?

    What evidence is there to suggest the trend recently for bears now is to refuse to hibernate, what evidence is there to suggest this is not global warming caused?

    How about the fact that the last 7 years or so have been some of the hottest years in the history of western civ. What evidence is there to suggest that this is global warming caused?

    The proof is in the pudding.

    I love it how humans never believe things, until its too late.

    You really want to gamble and say this is non climate change based?

    What evidence suggests it ISNT global warming based?

    Humans have ruined the world, they have pulluted the air, bulldozed habitats, cut down trees, paved roads on previously lived on land...

    and now they have the audacity to continue to deny, deny deny deny

    Global warming is real. if people want to act like nimrod Limbaugh and suggest its just liberal propaganda, they are seriously gambling with their own future and their childrens future.

    Bees are dying as a result of global warming. Case closed. I have yet to hear a more plausible answer.
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    Who's counting the bees? Are we sure that they are really disappearing or is this just some crap that one guy started on the internet and is now spread as fact? This smacks of the KFC breeding beakless boneless chickens rumour that spread around some time ago.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    Bees are dying as a result of global warming. Case closed. I have yet to hear a more plausible answer.

    Well, earlier in the week it was due to cell phones. Who knows what the latest hot Internet conspiracy theory will produce.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    What evidence is there to suggest the trend recently for bears now is to refuse to hibernate, what evidence is there to suggest this is not global warming caused?

    How about the fact that the last 7 years or so have been some of the hottest years in the history of western civ. What evidence is there to suggest that this is global warming caused?

    The proof is in the pudding.

    I love it how humans never believe things, until its too late.

    You really want to gamble and say this is non climate change based?

    What evidence suggests it ISNT global warming based?

    Humans have ruined the world, they have pulluted the air, bulldozed habitats, cut down trees, paved roads on previously lived on land...

    and now they have the audacity to continue to deny, deny deny deny

    Global warming is real. if people want to act like nimrod Limbaugh and suggest its just liberal propaganda, they are seriously gambling with their own future and their childrens future.

    Bees are dying as a result of global warming. Case closed. I have yet to hear a more plausible answer.

    Climate is the likely suspect.

    However, I remember reading about the spread of the africanized honey bees (killer bees). They spread due to an increase in climate temperature.

    I don't know enough about bees to say that this is true for other species though.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Songburst wrote:
    Who's counting the bees? Are we sure that they are really disappearing or is this just some crap that one guy started on the internet and is now spread as fact? This smacks of the KFC breeding beakless boneless chickens rumour that spread around some time ago.

    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/04/17/science-honeybees.html
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Bee vomit is delicious...


    I like when they puke on my toast...
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Every story I've read about the bees has been focused on the U.S. and Canada. Does anyone know if the same thing being observed with bees on other continents?
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  • pickupyourwill
    pickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Bee vomit is delicious...


    I like when they puke on my toast...

    eewwoo!--that's nasty.

    So here's a possibly crude, off-color joke for ya. What kind of bees make milk?
  • Songburst
    Songburst Posts: 1,195
    Ahnimus wrote:
    http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2007/04/17/science-honeybees.html

    The CBC? You call that credible? Haha - thanks. I guess I have been working too much lately.
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Songburst wrote:
    The CBC? You call that credible? Haha - thanks. I guess I have been working too much lately.

    Aside from making first-hand observations, yes.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    hippiemom wrote:
    Every story I've read about the bees has been focused on the U.S. and Canada. Does anyone know if the same thing being observed with bees on other continents?

    I know in Hawaii same deal.. They investigated and said it was definitively mites...
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  • pickupyourwill
    pickupyourwill Posts: 3,135
    pickupyourwill wrote:
    eewwoo!--that's nasty.

    So here's a possibly crude, off-color joke for ya. What kind of bees make milk?

    boo-bees!--:)



    no, but seriously now. SAVE THE BEES!

    can't we all start bee farms or something to get the bee population boomin' again?
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    hippiemom wrote:
    Every story I've read about the bees has been focused on the U.S. and Canada. Does anyone know if the same thing being observed with bees on other continents?

    England.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    MrBrian wrote:
    England.
    I also found a story about Germany. I wonder if Africa, Asia, Australia and South America are untouched by this, or if it's happening and not being reported? It would seem to me that if global warming is the culprit, it would be happening worldwide.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    It could be different in every country... I know in (North) America it's probably all the aerosol bar-b-q fat from backyard cookouts that can actually now be measured.

    Over here even the air is fat...

    :D
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  • LikeAnOcean
    LikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    I believe in global warming, but how the fuck are people linking that to the bees? I'm not saying it isn't the cause, but how the hell does a one degree temperature change over the last hundred years going to kill off bees??? If anything, its going to extend their lives with shorter periods of freezing weather.

    I'd find the cell phone theory believable. Global warming is causing things to change like melting ice caps, floods, droughts and I could see how that would effect animals, but where the hell is the evidence that its causing bees to die. I'm pretty sure scientists can explain what other animals are becoming extinct because of climate change, but I think they key words here are "they can't explain why the bees are disappearing".. I think people here are just pulling ideas out of their asses.
  • HANKTHELANK
    HANKTHELANK Posts: 89
    I've read some articles and seen a few interviews with German Scientists, and the outcome that i've heard is this. Bee's are dying because of Genetically Modified Foods!! Companies like Monsanto say that they are going to solve the worlds hunger problems by creating fruits and vegetables that grow larger, stay ripper for longer, and taste better. However what they don't tell you is that their methods of achieving this are not flawless. Rsearch has shown that the GM food produces internal toxins which is leading to severe repurcusions.

    This is a very young science, and the way these products are being rushed out to the public IS VERY SCARY!!! THe Bush administration last year passed a law saying that Genetically Modified foods DO NOT have to be labelled at the grocery store!!! We don't even know what we are eating anymore.

    In Europe there has been alot of public outcry about this problem and most governments have acted on the publics concerns and have made it manditory for grocery stores to label all genetically modified foods. This public awareness has let to an overwhelming supply of organic food. Conciquently most grocery stores now won't even bother buying GM fruits and vegetable because they know they won't be able to sell them.

    I ask people who care to really research this. This is so much more important than Global Warming.

    What you can to help, if it's within your budget, is buy organic food. The more people that buy it, the cheaper it's gonna get. This is pretty much the only solution!!! Government is once again only doing what is good for big business

    Last point, don't listen to Mainstreams theories behind this problem, do your own research, you will be so much more informed!!!!!!!
  • MrBrian
    MrBrian Posts: 2,672
    hippiemom wrote:
    I also found a story about Germany. I wonder if Africa, Asia, Australia and South America are untouched by this, or if it's happening and not being reported? It would seem to me that if global warming is the culprit, it would be happening worldwide.

    Well I know that everythings well in South Africa, infact America is starting to bring in honey from SA, so much so that South Africa is thinking about raising the prices for the US market.
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    http://www.southafrica.info/doing_business/businesstoday/businessnews/822247.htm

    BUSINESS NEWS
    SA honey prices rise on dying US bees
    Posted Thu, 03 May 2007
    The price of honey is set to rise because bee colonies in the United States are dying off, The Herald Online reported on Wednesday.

    Grahamstown bee expert Garth Cambray said producers were redirecting honey to meet a US shortage of about 40 000 tons.

    As a result the price of honey in South Africa could be expected to increase by next month.

    South Africa imports honey from Argentina, China and Australia, which is being blended with the local product in national brands.

    Reports last week said more than a quarter of bee colonies, 600 000 out of 2.4 million colonies, had vanished in the US.

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