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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    DewieCox said:
    I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

    Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

    I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

    Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

    Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

    did any have the level of draw and pull he seems to have had?
    O'Reilly had a larger draw when he went off the air than Tucker.  Drudge pointed out that Tucker was like 2.8 and O'Reilly was like 3.5  

    And no one cares what he says anymore.  
    I think that is more a reflection of people's tv habits changing over the last decade though. Every show has smaller ratings than in the past. 
    Or in the case of Fox, dying off.  I think that's the more likely scenario.  Average viewer age for Fox News is 68.  I really don't see them flocking to podcasts.  

    Now if Tucker is able to reach into Gen X, Millenial and Z more than before, that would be an issue.  But I'm not 100% sure that his schtick works for younger people.  Who knows though.  
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,070
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    DewieCox said:
    I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

    Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

    I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

    Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

    Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

    did any have the level of draw and pull he seems to have had?
    O'Reilly had a larger draw when he went off the air than Tucker.  Drudge pointed out that Tucker was like 2.8 and O'Reilly was like 3.5  

    And no one cares what he says anymore.  
    I think that is more a reflection of people's tv habits changing over the last decade though. Every show has smaller ratings than in the past. 
    Or in the case of Fox, dying off.  I think that's the more likely scenario.  Average viewer age for Fox News is 68.  I really don't see them flocking to podcasts.  

    Now if Tucker is able to reach into Gen X, Millenial and Z more than before, that would be an issue.  But I'm not 100% sure that his schtick works for younger people.  Who knows though.  
    If they try that route, Clay Travis would be an option. He is horrendous, so it tracks. lol
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,197
    mrussel1 said:
    DewieCox said:
    I honestly don’t feel like it makes one bit of difference. He still has every bit as much reach as he wants. 
    He'll never again have the reach that he had with Fox. 

    Fox News is everywhere. You think your average 60-70yo is going to seek out whatever podcast or website he starts up on a regular basis? 

    I can't imagine NewsMax or OAN picking him up... no one will want to insure them. 
    This is my view.  He may make more money, like Joe Rogan, but he won't have as many old people to radicalize. 
    Perhaps true. Unfortunately, whoever takes his (or any) timeslot will be doing the same damn thing. "Here's a story that is going to outrage you" (proceeds to report with fire and venom about the America-destroying restaurant that names a veggie burger after Jimmy Carter). And it's still going to rile 'em up.

    I honestly had almost no reaction to Tucker's departure. Either way, he's got money coming out of his ears and the culture war rages.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,511
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Has anyone thought that because Murdochs kids are taking over the company they are going a different route?  They are supposed to be liberal compared to pops.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
    OnWis97 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DewieCox said:
    I honestly don’t feel like it makes one bit of difference. He still has every bit as much reach as he wants. 
    He'll never again have the reach that he had with Fox. 

    Fox News is everywhere. You think your average 60-70yo is going to seek out whatever podcast or website he starts up on a regular basis? 

    I can't imagine NewsMax or OAN picking him up... no one will want to insure them. 
    This is my view.  He may make more money, like Joe Rogan, but he won't have as many old people to radicalize. 
    Perhaps true. Unfortunately, whoever takes his (or any) timeslot will be doing the same damn thing. "Here's a story that is going to outrage you" (proceeds to report with fire and venom about the America-destroying restaurant that names a veggie burger after Jimmy Carter). And it's still going to rile 'em up.

    I honestly had almost no reaction to Tucker's departure. Either way, he's got money coming out of his ears and the culture war rages.
    You're right, but as an example, Hannity is not nearly as dangerous as Tucker.  Hannity is an establishment guy, but Tucker just wanted to burn things down for his own benefit.  Ukraine is a perfect example.  The pro Putin talk is Tucker, not Hannity.  
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,609
    Has anyone thought that because Murdochs kids are taking over the company they are going a different route?  They are supposed to be liberal compared to pops.
    I don't know much about the kids, but any direction they're currently headed and / or these big moves they're making can't not be a result of the Dominion settlement and other pending lawsuits IMO. 

    They might say it's all unrelated, but they also lie on the reg. 

    & going a liberal route would absolutely be the death knell for that network. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,846
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    Has anyone thought that because Murdochs kids are taking over the company they are going a different route?  They are supposed to be liberal compared to pops.
    I don't know much about the kids, but any direction they're currently headed and / or these big moves they're making can't not be a result of the Dominion settlement and other pending lawsuits IMO. 

    They might say it's all unrelated, but they also lie on the reg. 

    & going a liberal route would absolutely be the death knell for that network. 
    I think Shiv is pretty liberal, but she seems to get overrun by Roman all the time.  He just is meaner.  And Kendall is a total wildcard, all the blow is melting his mind.  I guess we'll see.  Either way, none can be as ruthless as Logan.  
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,486
    mickeyrat said:
    DewieCox said:
    I think you’re wildly underestimating how much his audience appreciate having their victim complex justified. Time to stop pretending that things like this do anything but strengthen their resolve.

    Theres no such thing as truly de-platforming anyone. 

    I’d love for you to be right but recent history says you're not, whether it’s Tucker or someone filling his shoes. 

    Would that recent history include the last ten years, where the likes of Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly, Megyn Kelly & others have lost audience interest after parting ways with Fox? 

    Because that recent history says I'm correct. 

    did any have the level of draw and pull he seems to have had?
    I'm pretty sure Bill O'riley did. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,377
    mrussel1 said:
    Has anyone thought that because Murdochs kids are taking over the company they are going a different route?  They are supposed to be liberal compared to pops.
    I don't know much about the kids, but any direction they're currently headed and / or these big moves they're making can't not be a result of the Dominion settlement and other pending lawsuits IMO. 

    They might say it's all unrelated, but they also lie on the reg. 

    & going a liberal route would absolutely be the death knell for that network. 
    I think Shiv is pretty liberal, but she seems to get overrun by Roman all the time.  He just is meaner.  And Kendall is a total wildcard, all the blow is melting his mind.  I guess we'll see.  Either way, none can be as ruthless as Logan.  
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,422
    Yup, keep watching. We woke get it. We know what you’re about. Plain as day, hiding in plain sight. Too late, Fucker. Your soul has been sold.

    Tucker Carlson text on ‘how white men fight’ alarmed Fox board members

    The board overseeing Fox News was so alarmed by the prime-time host’s text message that it planned to hire a law firm to investigate his behavior.

    On the eve of what was expected to be the most closely-watched defamation trial in a generation, the board of Fox Corporation last month reviewed a text message that Tucker Carlson, a prime-time star on Fox News, had sent to one of his producers in early 2021.

    In the message, he described himself watching a video of Donald Trump supporters beating up someone he referred to as “an Antifa kid.” Carlson wrote of his conflicting emotions, hinting at his dismay that he had found himself “rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him.” 

    But in the most startling passage, Carlson asserted flatly that “jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight.”

    After seeing the message, the board alerted Fox executives that it planned to retain a law firm to investigate Carlson’s behavior, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions.

    The text message, first reported Tuesday night by the New York Times, added to a cascading set of concerns about Carlson within Fox News that led the company to fire him last week, according to several people familiar with the internal deliberations around his departure from the network.

    The Washington Post reported last week that network co-founder Rupert Murdoch had also grown concerned about Carlson’s increasingly far-right commentary— including his disparagement of U.S. support for Ukraine — and that executives had noted his harsh critique of Fox management in his private communications, including some sexist and vulgar language aimed at a female executive.

    A Fox Corp. spokesperson declined to comment late Tuesday. A representative for Carlson did not respond to messages seeking comment.

    While the text, acquired during the discovery process of Dominion Voting Systems’ defamation case against Fox, remains redacted from court exhibits, board members feared it could become public during the trial. Days later, Fox settled the case with Dominion for $787.5 million on April 18.

    In his lengthy message sent Jan. 7, 2021, in the hours after a violent mob stormed the Capitol, Carlson went on: “I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn’t good for me. I’m becoming something I don’t want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn’t gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?”

    The message came after an exchange in which Carlson referred to then-president Donald Trump as “a demonic force, a destroyer.”

    Though Carlson was not one of the main Fox personalities promoting false conspiracy theories about Dominion’s role in the 2020 election, it was expected that he would be cross examined by Dominion lawyers during the first week of the trial. Executives worried how his private text messages, some of which had been released publicly in the months prior, might play in front of a jury.

    Less than a week after Fox settled the case, Carlson was informed in a phone call from Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott that the network was “parting ways” with him.

    For years, Carlson had courted the kind of controversy that would have gotten a lesser-known personality fired. He was the subject of repeated advertising boycotts, and he attacked immigrants for making the country “poorer” and “dirtier.” He called white supremacy “a hoax” and mocked efforts to fight the coronavirus pandemic. In 2020, his chief writer resigned after he was revealed to have been posting racist and sexist rants on a covert online forum.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/05/02/tucker-carlson-text-message-white-men-fight/

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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,197
    Why would that be the straw that broke the camel’s back?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,511
    OnWis97 said:
    Why would that be the straw that broke the camel’s back?

    in a rare moment of honesty he told the truth about himself., thats what scared them. Honesty.....
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,422
    mickeyrat said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Why would that be the straw that broke the camel’s back?

    in a rare moment of honesty he told the truth about himself., thats what scared them. Honesty.....
    And that it was going to become public. If dominion didn’t happen, that POS would still be on the air. Murdicks are no saints.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Yup, keep watching. We woke get it. We know what you’re about. Plain as day, hiding in plain sight. Too late, Fucker. Your soul has been sold.

    Tucker Carlson text on ‘how white men fight’ alarmed Fox board members

    The board overseeing Fox News was so alarmed by the prime-time host’s text message that it planned to hire a law firm to investigate his behavior.

    On the eve of what was expected to be the most closely-watched defamation trial in a generation, the board of Fox Corporation last month reviewed a text message that Tucker Carlson, a prime-time star on Fox News, had sent to one of his producers in early 2021.

    In the message, he described himself watching a video of Donald Trump supporters beating up someone he referred to as “an Antifa kid.” Carlson wrote of his conflicting emotions, hinting at his dismay that he had found himself “rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him.” 

    But in the most startling passage, Carlson asserted flatly that “jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight.”

    After seeing the message, the board alerted Fox executives that it planned to retain a law firm to investigate Carlson’s behavior, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions.

    The text message, first reported Tuesday night by the New York Times, added to a cascading set of concerns about Carlson within Fox News that led the company to fire him last week, according to several people familiar with the internal deliberations around his departure from the network.

    The Washington Post reported last week that network co-founder Rupert Murdoch had also grown concerned about Carlson’s increasingly far-right commentary— including his disparagement of U.S. support for Ukraine — and that executives had noted his harsh critique of Fox management in his private communications, including some sexist and vulgar language aimed at a female executive.

    A Fox Corp. spokesperson declined to comment late Tuesday. A representative for Carlson did not respond to messages seeking comment.

    While the text, acquired during the discovery process of Dominion Voting Systems’ defamation case against Fox, remains redacted from court exhibits, board members feared it could become public during the trial. Days later, Fox settled the case with Dominion for $787.5 million on April 18.

    In his lengthy message sent Jan. 7, 2021, in the hours after a violent mob stormed the Capitol, Carlson went on: “I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn’t good for me. I’m becoming something I don’t want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn’t gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?”

    The message came after an exchange in which Carlson referred to then-president Donald Trump as “a demonic force, a destroyer.”

    Though Carlson was not one of the main Fox personalities promoting false conspiracy theories about Dominion’s role in the 2020 election, it was expected that he would be cross examined by Dominion lawyers during the first week of the trial. Executives worried how his private text messages, some of which had been released publicly in the months prior, might play in front of a jury.

    Less than a week after Fox settled the case, Carlson was informed in a phone call from Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott that the network was “parting ways” with him.

    For years, Carlson had courted the kind of controversy that would have gotten a lesser-known personality fired. He was the subject of repeated advertising boycotts, and he attacked immigrants for making the country “poorer” and “dirtier.” He called white supremacy “a hoax” and mocked efforts to fight the coronavirus pandemic. In 2020, his chief writer resigned after he was revealed to have been posting racist and sexist rants on a covert online forum.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/05/02/tucker-carlson-text-message-white-men-fight/

    except he was wrong on that one too. i've seen white people fight that way several times in my life.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,684
    I'm not sure how it hasn't happened yet but I can't wait for tRump to start tearing Tucker to pieces for the shit he said about him.
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    I'm not sure how it hasn't happened yet but I can't wait for tRump to start tearing Tucker to pieces for the shit he said about him.
    they are boys though. tucker can still help trump once he has a new network or new show to host.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,609
    I'm not sure how it hasn't happened yet but I can't wait for tRump to start tearing Tucker to pieces for the shit he said about him.
    I think I read that they spoke wince then and patched things up., because of course they did... 

    Tucker's a valuable asset to trump regardless of his personal feelings. Trump is a savvy enough business man to recognize this. 
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    It’s ok guys, he doesn’t have the reach of Foxnews anymore.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    mickeyrat said:
    These were actually funny.  I didn't find anything damning in these.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,491
    Yup, keep watching. We woke get it. We know what you’re about. Plain as day, hiding in plain sight. Too late, Fucker. Your soul has been sold.

    Tucker Carlson text on ‘how white men fight’ alarmed Fox board members

    The board overseeing Fox News was so alarmed by the prime-time host’s text message that it planned to hire a law firm to investigate his behavior.

    On the eve of what was expected to be the most closely-watched defamation trial in a generation, the board of Fox Corporation last month reviewed a text message that Tucker Carlson, a prime-time star on Fox News, had sent to one of his producers in early 2021.

    In the message, he described himself watching a video of Donald Trump supporters beating up someone he referred to as “an Antifa kid.” Carlson wrote of his conflicting emotions, hinting at his dismay that he had found himself “rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him.” 

    But in the most startling passage, Carlson asserted flatly that “jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight.”

    After seeing the message, the board alerted Fox executives that it planned to retain a law firm to investigate Carlson’s behavior, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive discussions.

    The text message, first reported Tuesday night by the New York Times, added to a cascading set of concerns about Carlson within Fox News that led the company to fire him last week, according to several people familiar with the internal deliberations around his departure from the network.

    The Washington Post reported last week that network co-founder Rupert Murdoch had also grown concerned about Carlson’s increasingly far-right commentary— including his disparagement of U.S. support for Ukraine — and that executives had noted his harsh critique of Fox management in his private communications, including some sexist and vulgar language aimed at a female executive.

    A Fox Corp. spokesperson declined to comment late Tuesday. A representative for Carlson did not respond to messages seeking comment.

    While the text, acquired during the discovery process of Dominion Voting Systems’ defamation case against Fox, remains redacted from court exhibits, board members feared it could become public during the trial. Days later, Fox settled the case with Dominion for $787.5 million on April 18.

    In his lengthy message sent Jan. 7, 2021, in the hours after a violent mob stormed the Capitol, Carlson went on: “I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it. Then somewhere deep in my brain, an alarm went off: this isn’t good for me. I’m becoming something I don’t want to be. The Antifa creep is a human being. Much as I despise what he says and does, much as I’m sure I’d hate him personally if I knew him, I shouldn’t gloat over his suffering. I should be bothered by it. I should remember that somewhere somebody probably loves this kid, and would be crushed if he was killed. If I don’t care about those things, if I reduce people to their politics, how am I better than he is?”

    The message came after an exchange in which Carlson referred to then-president Donald Trump as “a demonic force, a destroyer.”

    Though Carlson was not one of the main Fox personalities promoting false conspiracy theories about Dominion’s role in the 2020 election, it was expected that he would be cross examined by Dominion lawyers during the first week of the trial. Executives worried how his private text messages, some of which had been released publicly in the months prior, might play in front of a jury.

    Less than a week after Fox settled the case, Carlson was informed in a phone call from Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott that the network was “parting ways” with him.

    For years, Carlson had courted the kind of controversy that would have gotten a lesser-known personality fired. He was the subject of repeated advertising boycotts, and he attacked immigrants for making the country “poorer” and “dirtier.” He called white supremacy “a hoax” and mocked efforts to fight the coronavirus pandemic. In 2020, his chief writer resigned after he was revealed to have been posting racist and sexist rants on a covert online forum.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/media/2023/05/02/tucker-carlson-text-message-white-men-fight/

    Kind of hard to argue this.  How do you even defend the comment "this is not how white men fight"?  It's nice that he shows a smidge of compassion later but that one, man.  You don't come back from that.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,377
    DewieCox said:
    It’s ok guys, he doesn’t have the reach of Foxnews anymore.
    hahaha
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,684
    I have noticed Fox News repeatedly posting a story about how Bud Light is being given away free to distributors because it isn't selling...that it is losing it's status as the top light beer in the US, etc.

    I'm not seeing that story anywhere else.
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    I have noticed Fox News repeatedly posting a story about how Bud Light is being given away free to distributors because it isn't selling...that it is losing it's status as the top light beer in the US, etc.

    I'm not seeing that story anywhere else.
    4-5 out of the top 7 stories at the moment are about culture war issues, and another is about Jaime Fox. 

    I searched 'debt' to see how many stories on the home page are about the looming debt ceiling crisis. 

    I got 0 hits on the search. 
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,823
    I have noticed Fox News repeatedly posting a story about how Bud Light is being given away free to distributors because it isn't selling...that it is losing it's status as the top light beer in the US, etc.

    I'm not seeing that story anywhere else.
    That's because,  now hold on to your britches, it's not true.
    I'm  the beer manager for a large specialty liquor store and I have not been offered free Bud Light. It continues to be my top domestic seller. My rep just laughed when I asked about free Bud Light cases.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,377
    the right keeps saying bud light is being destroyed by this boycott. 

    the left keeps saying their stock (not sure about sales) is higher than before. 

    interestingly, the clips I'm seeing post-tucker that media types are posting of Fox News all seem to have a new pushback on republican narratives, which I find really surprising. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,511
    ytd bud stock, yes there was a dip after the fake controversy but not enough to be seen as other than normal trading?

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    Fox opposes fellow journalists trying to uncover documents
    By DAVID BAUDER
    8 mins ago

    NEW YORK (AP) — Fox News is opposing a renewed effort by three news organizations to unseal documents related to its recently settled defamation lawsuit, saying it would do nothing but “gratify private spite or promote public scandal.”

    The Associated Press, The New York Times and National Public Radio asked a Delaware judge earlier this week to reveal mostly private text messages and conversations between Fox employees shortly after the 2020 presidential election that were uncovered during the Dominion Voting Systems lawsuit.

    Fox lawyer Katharine L. Mowery, in a letter sent late Wednesday to Delaware Superior Court Judge Eric Davis, said much of the material its competitors sought wasn't relevant to the issues of the lawsuit. She said the media has no right to access such records.

    Many of the already-uncovered conversations have proven newsworthy, showing that Fox hosts and executives didn't believe the false allegations about Dominion's voting equipment but still continued to air them. Another batch of messages revealed former Fox host Tucker Carlson's scorn for former President Donald Trump, including one text where he declared, “I hate him passionately.”

    “They have not been shy about sharing the communications with the most potential to grab headlines,” Mowery wrote of the media challenging the sealed documents.

    One of the reasons Fox agreed to settle the case was to “buy peace and bring an end to the media spectacle,” she wrote.

    The news organizations said the documents, most of which Fox said it redacted because it contained proprietary information about the company, were still relevant.

    Fox agreed last month to pay $787 million to end the case. Dominion had accused the network of repeatedly airing bogus claims that its voting equipment rigged the 2020 election against Trump, despite knowing those claims were false.


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