Meet Your Meat: WARNING - Extremely Graphic Animal Cruelty

Anon

Ahnimus wrote:

I had to smash the heffer in the head with a massive log. The mother was very very protective of her calf, however, once the animal was dead, the heffer left and continued grazing. I'm not sure if it had a genuinely persistant emotional attachment, or if it was simply biologically inclined to protect a living offspring. It didn't seem to care much about revenge.

If i got my head smashed with a massive log i doubt i'd care too much with what was happening around me either.

decides2dream

Vedd Hedd wrote:

Its not so much the actual killing. Its the way the animals live their entire lives thats the problem.

The killing should be quick and painless.

The lifelong suffering, I dont think anyone would wish that on any animal.

agreed.


i did not watch the videos...yikes. :( i don't think i even have to, b/c years ago in my younger days, i was an active member of PETA, and i had read and seen just about every video and book on the topic. it IS horrifying what we do to some animals in the name of food production, testing, cosmetics, etc.

i WAS a vegetarian for 2-3 years...for this very reason. i never did go completely vegan, still ate milk, cheese and eggs.....but i also made sure i bought no cosmetic or home products tested on animals.....bought no leather....etc. sad to say really, but i've gone back to it all. well, i still avoid as many products tested on animals as possible, but i do wear leather again....and yes, eat meat. i STILL think it's horrendous what is done to animals...but yea, i just missed meat too much. funny thing is, i don't eat a LOT of it, but i do eat at least a small portion of beef, pork, chicken or fish daily. honestly, i DO feel 'healthier' eating a more balanced diet like this then i did as a vegggie....but that is only my personal experience. i know MANY vegetarians who are the picture of health and do SO well on a veggie diet.


i DO believe in the whole food chain 'cycle of life'.....don't think there is anything wrong with eating other animals for food. human beings are OMNIVORES - not purely carnivorous, nor completely herbivorous. so i do believe we are meant to eat such a varied diet. thing is though, i completely agree it's all HOW we raise and treat these animals for food that is wrong, wrong, wrong.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

its all a natural symbiotic relationship.

Vedd Hedd

Collin wrote:

How do you know where I buy my food?

And another question is how you define cruelty.

I was assuming that by your comments you would continue to buy food from places that treat animals in that matter. Hence, "condoning it."

Your post wasnt very detailed.:D So I apologize if I assumed that.

I define cruelty by causing, or allowing, an animal to suffer over the period of its life (by either painful methods of raising, confinement, stress, starvaton, force feeding, etc).....or, causing an animal an extensive amount of suffering at the time of its slaughter.

Just chop off its head and be done with it.

Vedd Hedd

decides2dream wrote:

agreed.


i did not watch the videos...yikes. :( i don't think i even have to, b/c years ago in my younger days, i was an active member of PETA, and i had read and seen just about every video and book on the topic. it IS horrifying what we do to some animals in the name of food production, testing, cosmetics, etc.

i WAS a vegetarian for 2-3 years...for this very reason. i never did go completely vegan, still ate milk, cheese and eggs.....but i also made sure i bought no cosmetic or home products tested on animals.....bought no leather....etc. sad to say really, but i've gone back to it all. well, i still avoid as many products tested on animals as possible, but i do wear leather again....and yes, eat meat. i STILL think it's horrendous what is done to animals...but yea, i just missed meat too much. funny thing is, i don't eat a LOT of it, but i do eat at least a small portion of beef, pork, chicken or fish daily. honestly, i DO feel 'healthier' eating a more balanced diet like this then i did as a vegggie....but that is only my personal experience. i know MANY vegetarians who are the picture of health and do SO well on a veggie diet.


i DO believe in the whole food chain 'cycle of life'.....don't think there is anything wrong with eating other animals for food. human beings are OMNIVORES - not purely carnivorous, nor completely herbivorous. so i do believe we are meant to eat such a varied diet. thing is though, i completely agree it's all HOW we raise and treat these animals for food that is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Again, we're on the same wave length here.

Vedd Hedd

Ahnimus wrote:

Tell it to the supermarkets, I don't buy my food from slaughterhouses or farmers.

Thats a good point actually.

Vedd Hedd

69charger wrote:

I do.

Your attitude reminds me of a Will Ferrell skit...

"Oh, right, Margaret, you wanted prime rib. Here's the deal: The Palm wasn't taking reservations, and I didn't even try Morton's because I understand they have a new chef. So for now, let's just go with the Alpo, okay? I know it's not your first choice but keep in mind, you're a fucking dog!"

Animals are not people. Get over it.

Are people still saying, "get over it"?

Feel free to torture whatever animals you like, I guess. I dont know what your point is.


EDIT: Try explaing your point without sarcasm, because I re-read it, I I really dont understand what you are saying.

It seems like you are saying, animals are not people, so its ok to torture them?

69charger

Vedd Hedd wrote:

Are people still saying, "get over it"?

Feel free to torture whatever animals you like, I guess. I dont know what your point is.


EDIT: Try explaing your point without sarcasm, because I re-read it, I I really dont understand what you are saying.

It seems like you are saying, animals are not people, so its ok to torture them?

I guess that depends on what you consider torture?

If the most viable way to raise enough food to feed everyone is to have these animals live in less than perfect conditions is your definition of torture than too bad. What difference does it make? Why are you so empathetic with something that is essentially just a fuel source?

I'm saying animals are not people and it is perfectly fine to harvest them in the most efficient way. It's good for us, not so good for them. Pretty much the same for any predator/prey relationship I guess.

DriftingByTheStorm

69charger wrote:

Pretty much the same for any predator/prey relationship I guess.

No other animal (and we are animals) systematicaly debases, tortures, and deforms their pray in the days, weeks, months and years before it consumes it!

soulsinging

69charger wrote:

I guess that depends on what you consider torture?

If the most viable way to raise enough food to feed everyone is to have these animals live in less than perfect conditions is your definition of torture than too bad. What difference does it make? Why are you so empathetic with something that is essentially just a fuel source?

I'm saying animals are not people and it is perfectly fine to harvest them in the most efficient way. It's good for us, not so good for them. Pretty much the same for any predator/prey relationship I guess.

i kinda agree with you. as ron white once said (and i posted this round here somewhere): "i didnt crawl all the way to the top of the fucking food chain to eat lettuce."

Ahnimus

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

No other animal (and we are animals) systematicaly debases, tortures, and deforms their pray in the days, weeks, months and years before it consumes it!

None? Maybe not years, but cats will systematically slaughter entire families of rabbits or other rodents for the sheer fun of doing it.

jeffbr

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

No other animal (and we are animals) systematicaly debases, tortures, and deforms their pray in the days, weeks, months and years before it consumes it!

They would if they could.

No herbivore has their baby spinach washed and bagged. No herbivore can select from the vast array of veggies in the supermarket. Are you advocating that we not have farms providing goods to markets? Perhaps we should only grow and hunt what we eat.

I guess I don't understand your point.

In the wild, many animals are alive while they're being consumed. You aren't advocating that we emulate nature in all cases are you?

Jeanie

69charger wrote:

I guess that depends on what you consider torture?

If the most viable way to raise enough food to feed everyone is to have these animals live in less than perfect conditions is your definition of torture than too bad. What difference does it make? Why are you so empathetic with something that is essentially just a fuel source?

I'm saying animals are not people and it is perfectly fine to harvest them in the most efficient way. It's good for us, not so good for them. Pretty much the same for any predator/prey relationship I guess.

If we can feed cattle wine (to enhance the flavors), grain, and whole plethora of other things and go to enormous cost and effort to have "gourmet beef" for the boutique and organic markets, it really shouldn't be that bloody difficult to ensure the health and well being of animals prior to their slaughter. It's not rocket science. It's fine to be efficient, it's not ok to be cruel. And I'm a meat eater. The upshot will be that if I cannot get my meat from reliable, cruelty free, best practice suppliers I'll stop purchasing it. This is a problem that a lot of suppliers are finding here. We are buying less because we aren't happy with the way things are being done.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2006/02/12/1567920.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/08/23/2013501.htm

Ahnimus

Vedd Hedd wrote:

Thats a good point actually.

Yea, sorry for sounding a bit off.

I was informed of KentuckyFriedCruelty.com by a KFC employee so I checked out the website. The one run by Pam Anderson. They kept blaming KFC for the treatment by the farmers and slaughterhouses, which I couldn't understand. They had petitioned KFC to stop buying from those farmers, and KFC's response was basically "We buy chicken from supermarkets".

I think the only people that can legitimately be blamed for the cruel treatment of farm animals, is the farmers themselves, beyond that its questionable whether the individuals have any knowledge of, or control over, the treatment of animals.

Jeanie

Ahnimus wrote:

None? Maybe not years, but cats will systematically slaughter entire families of rabbits or other rodents for the sheer fun of doing it.

Let's not forget the damage a single fox can do to a hen house. And it's not like they're eating them either!

Ahnimus

Jeanie wrote:

Let's not forget the damage a single fox can do to a hen house. And it's not like they're eating them either!

Nope. And primates will brutally murder and tear the genitals off of "stranger" primates. That is, primates of the same species that are not part of their in-group. It's known as out-group hostility. It's common amongst humans and other animals alike. Cruelty it seems, is a fact of nature. That doesn't excuse it, of course, humans should have functioning inhibitors called the Prefrontal Cortex. The PFC woks such that it can inhibit the natural desire to brutually maim an out-group member, or a chicken. Unfortunately it's contextual and rather unreliable, completely ureliable if it the PFC has sustained damage.

gue_barium

Ahnimus wrote:

Yea, sorry for sounding a bit off.

I was informed of KentuckyFriedCruelty.com by a KFC employee so I checked out the website. The one run by Pam Anderson. They kept blaming KFC for the treatment by the farmers and slaughterhouses, which I couldn't understand. They had petitioned KFC to stop buying from those farmers, and KFC's response was basically "We buy chicken from supermarkets".

I think the only people that can legitimately be blamed for the cruel treatment of farm animals, is the farmers themselves, beyond that its questionable whether the individuals have any knowledge of, or control over, the treatment of animals.

The places shown in the video are large-scale corporate owned warehouses. They are not the typical family farm.

Jeanie

Vedd Hedd wrote:

http://forums.pearljam.com/showpost.php?p=4850289&postcount=13

OLS posted the link to eatwild way back on page one I think.

Jeanie

Ahnimus wrote:

Nope. And primates will brutally murder and tear the genitals off of "stranger" primates. That is, primates of the same species that are not part of their in-group. It's known as out-group hostility. It's common amongst humans and other animals alike. Cruelty it seems, is a fact of nature. That doesn't excuse it, of course, humans should have functioning inhibitors called the Prefrontal Cortex. The PFC woks such that it can inhibit the natural desire to brutually maim an out-group member, or a chicken. Unfortunately it's contextual and rather unreliable, completely ureliable if it the PFC has sustained damage.

What are the odds of an organization like Meat & Livestock Australia or Meat Producers Australia P/L having a bloke at the top with sustained damage to the PFC?

Ahnimus

gue_barium wrote:

The places shown in the video are large-scale corporate owned warehouses. They are not the typical family farm.

And that implicates KFC because?

It's a logistical issue, I buy chicken from KFC, KFC buys chicken from the Atlantic and Pacific Corporation, A&P buys it from one or more corporate farming companies. If cruel treatment of animals is occuring at the farming level, it does not follow that A&P, or KFC or I should know about it. Ultimately most of the chicken I eat at restaurants or at home will have come from A&P or some other supermarket that also sources chicken from the same cruel farmers. It's the farmers who are responsible for the in vivo treatment of their animals.