I'm not wild about the business practices but truthfully they don't bother me enough to stop eating meat. I try to stick with free range chickens but if they're not in #62 10-04-2007, 04:03 PM
Snake
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stock I'll buy what's available.
Push for better practices. I don't care if it drives the cost up. But please don't tell me or ask me to stop eating meat. I don't want to hear your take on the health advantages of a meat free diet anymore than you want to hear about saving your soul from someone knocking on your door. I'm glad you have your beliefs, just don't push them on me.
Now thats cool with me. I have no problem with it. All I have a problem with is the way the treat the animals. Im cool with the whole circle of life one dies another is sustained thing.
Also anybody ever seen The time machine? (the new one)
That often made me think of what we as people see. Anyone see what I mean? Just a thought, not an arguement.
To start off, I AM a meateater, beef, chicken, pork, whatever. And I am not here to preach, only to share something. If interested about what we eat and how it affects both ourselves and the environment, read the book The Omnivore's Dilemma. Discusses pros and cons of vegan, vegetarian, meat, etc...Very long book but very interesting read. Especially interesting is how Cows actually evolved to eat grass but now mostly eat corn and how this affects the final product, MEAT. Also how much antibiotics are used in meat production. And finally, how the availability of certain fruits and vegetables on the other side of the world actually contributes to Pollution because it must be shipped here.
Sustainability is the key here-buy what you eat locally, and grow some vegetables and fruits on your own if you can. Eerily similar to the idea contained in Ishmael that we must return to our roots as hunter-gatherers, just in a different way.
P.S. CORN IS IN BASICALLY EVERYTHING
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And finally, how the availability of certain fruits and vegetables on the other side of the world actually contributes to Pollution because it must be shipped here.
Sustainability is the key here-buy what you eat locally, and grow some vegetables and fruits on your own if you can. Eerily similar to the idea contained in Ishmael that we must return to our roots as hunter-gatherers, just in a different way.
But I thought urban densification of residences was the environmental answer. But that model does not account for the buy local model that I'm told is the environmental answer. So many environmental answers to choose from but none compatable with the other. What to do.
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when it hits you, you feel to pain.
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I think what I meant to say was that our bodies are capable of eating/digesting both plants and meats. We are omnivorous. Opportunists, if you will.
Hunters and gatherers.....plants and animals. Out teeth are better suited for grinding rather than tearing. But our total body and mind make us "intelligent" enough to create farms and ranches, so we dont need to constantly hunt and gather.
I will continue to eat meat. I respect the opinion oof both the vegans and carnivores.
I think, though, we could all agree that more needs to be done to regulate the way everything is processed.
Its not surprising to me that people have grown to the proportions that they are seeing how we eat....not just fat, but taller. I wonder if thats due to the amounts of rBGH in the beef we eat??
And how children are entering puberty earlier and earlier?
But either way, I think most agree that:
1. More needs to be done to stop the suffering of animals.
2. Even "meat-eaters" like myself, could probably stand to cut back on the massive portions we eat.
I think meat makes up about half my diet, when realistically, it shoul dbe about 20-25% of my diet. Maybe less.
Theres no need for me to eat bacon and steaks and ribs every week. (Love that stuff though)
But I will try to find REAL free-range beef and other products for those interested in reducing the hormones, steroids, medicines, in their meats, as well as reducing the amount of tortured animals.
I'm not saying I have the answers, and I'm not saying the book has answers, I'm saying it's a good read and thought-provoking. Maybe buying what we eat locally is part of the answer, I don't know.
The Omnivore's DILEMMA
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Scranton, Pennsylvania
Gotta go, time to go cut the grass and pollute the environment with my gas mower.
Next year I'm going to get rid of at least half of the grass in my backyard and plant a BIGGER vegetable garden.
There, I just became part of the solution, as long as I use Organic fertilizers.
I think, errrr, Hope?
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a. My idealogical agenda also includes not breeding, myself. So no need to worry about me malnurishing a child because of my "whacky leftist agenda" or whathaveyou.
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Dude! Haven't you watched Idiocracy? You're a smart guy, even if you are wrong all the time! You need to be out there making babies at a furious rate so that maybe the human gene pool won't be reduced to a ghetto redneck cesspool of stupidity!
that movie is frighteningly real. it may already be too late
Thanks to PJpower(another hunter on board, where's CreeNations?)
I hail from Newfoundland originally, and have eaten many wild game(family of hunters and gatherers), but not Antelope. Moose is my favorite. Lean, and tasty.
Ahnimus, Snake, and halv, you have the gift of insight, integrity and education. Thanks. It's always a joy to read your posts.
I am on the teeter-totter again with the meat eating issue. I only eat organic, and local produce, or get it sent from The Rock. It's a completley different color, than what you end up with from the mass-run supermarkets.
I have been a little sensitive of this issue, as I am planning a pregnancy.
I just recently watched Mel Gibson's Apocalypto. That's enough to turn one's stomach for weeks. Anyone else watch it?
Holy human sacrifice Batman!!! A depiction, a movie, a history of Man.
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I'm not joking.
I stumbled upon the following... sadly, i was actually googling "phil spector hair" to see his new hairdo ... the blog that contained the write up had this link on the sidebar:
You have been warned.
Seriously.
If you have ANY desire to keep eating meat without getting sick, or if you have chicken in the oven, i'd NOT click the link.
It will FUCK you UP!
I am no hippy.
I was a vegetarian for a year, about ten years ago.
After watching this, i just very well may start again.
Until i can raise my own animals.
Blech!
BLECH BLECH BLECH!
*narrated by alec baldwin, not that it maters
Mmmmm Mmmmm Good!
Now I just need to find a potato documentary and I'll be satisfied.
It's actually soybean oil that seems to be in everything. I think it contains Omega-6. Omega-6 (or whichever it is) is only good in small amounts and also destroys Omega-3 which is very good for you.
If you view humans as animals, then you really can't argue against eating meat.
I love my dogs, but they are still animals Not to sound cold and heartless, but thats my opinion. I wouldn't eat it, or even if I had a pet cow that I loved, I wouldnt eat it.
Didnt watch the video, but it makes me glad my fam raises its own meat.
I could actually probably butcher and kill my own food. I guess I have done that with fish.
But again, its not the butchering.
its not how they die....its how they live, that bothers me.
I can handle the butchering, that really doesnt bother me too much. It not that much different that say, a lion eating the intestines of a still-living gazelle, or a wolf pack tearing a deer to shreds.
but its the complete lifelong suffering of the animal with which I am disgusted.
Dude! Haven't you watched Idiocracy? You're a smart guy, even if you are wrong all the time! You need to be out there making babies at a furious rate so that maybe the human gene pool won't be reduced to a ghetto redneck cesspool of stupidity!
that movie is frighteningly real. it may already be too late
Hmmmm, we could solve this whole animal cruelty problem if we could only find something that animals crave........something like.......electrolites!
I got to the cattle being slaughtered and HAD to turn it off. I'm currently sat at my desk at work wiping tears from my eyes.
I used to work in morgue and I perform taxidermy as a hobby (only ever using road kill or animals I have found already dead), therefore i'm not generally a squeemish person but this turned my stomach. I have NEVER been more moved or sickened by an anti meat video in all of my born days.
I was a vegetarian for a number of years growing up but started to eat meat again as a means of protest again my vegetarian parents.
Been to this many PJ shows: Reading 2006 London 2007 Manchester & London 2009 Dublin, Belfast, London, Nijmegen & Berlin 2010 Manchester 1 & Manchester 2 2012...
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
I watched that video about 6 years ago, after I'd already become a vegetarian. I think people need to see where their food really comes from. It's a real eye-opener.
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and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
I could actually probably butcher and kill my own food. I guess I have done that with fish.
But again, its not the butchering.
its not how they die....its how they live, that bothers me.
I can handle the butchering, that really doesnt bother me too much. It not that much different that say, a lion eating the intestines of a still-living gazelle, or a wolf pack tearing a deer to shreds.
but its the complete lifelong suffering of the animal with which I am disgusted.
I do.
Your attitude reminds me of a Will Ferrell skit...
"Oh, right, Margaret, you wanted prime rib. Here's the deal: The Palm wasn't taking reservations, and I didn't even try Morton's because I understand they have a new chef. So for now, let's just go with the Alpo, okay? I know it's not your first choice but keep in mind, you're a fucking dog!"
i couldnt watch the whole thing, it just pisses me off and gets me sad.
makes me wanna go to one of those farms, get a crow bar and just beat the living shit out of one of those cruel farmers
That would be so good if we could do that to those farmers...
And so the lion fell in love with the lamb...,"
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
If you continue to buy meat from those places, then you are condoning it.
Tell it to the supermarkets, I don't buy my food from slaughterhouses or farmers.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
To start off, I AM a meateater, beef, chicken, pork, whatever. And I am not here to preach, only to share something. If interested about what we eat and how it affects both ourselves and the environment, read the book The Omnivore's Dilemma. Discusses pros and cons of vegan, vegetarian, meat, etc...Very long book but very interesting read. Especially interesting is how Cows actually evolved to eat grass but now mostly eat corn and how this affects the final product, MEAT. Also how much antibiotics are used in meat production. And finally, how the availability of certain fruits and vegetables on the other side of the world actually contributes to Pollution because it must be shipped here.
Sustainability is the key here-buy what you eat locally, and grow some vegetables and fruits on your own if you can. Eerily similar to the idea contained in Ishmael that we must return to our roots as hunter-gatherers, just in a different way.
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"Its a secret to everybody."
That often made me think of what we as people see. Anyone see what I mean? Just a thought, not an arguement.
"Its a secret to everybody."
Sustainability is the key here-buy what you eat locally, and grow some vegetables and fruits on your own if you can. Eerily similar to the idea contained in Ishmael that we must return to our roots as hunter-gatherers, just in a different way.
P.S. CORN IS IN BASICALLY EVERYTHING
Scranton, Pennsylvania
Journey Ends:
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
Hunters and gatherers.....plants and animals. Out teeth are better suited for grinding rather than tearing. But our total body and mind make us "intelligent" enough to create farms and ranches, so we dont need to constantly hunt and gather.
I will continue to eat meat. I respect the opinion oof both the vegans and carnivores.
I think, though, we could all agree that more needs to be done to regulate the way everything is processed.
Its not surprising to me that people have grown to the proportions that they are seeing how we eat....not just fat, but taller. I wonder if thats due to the amounts of rBGH in the beef we eat??
And how children are entering puberty earlier and earlier?
But either way, I think most agree that:
1. More needs to be done to stop the suffering of animals.
2. Even "meat-eaters" like myself, could probably stand to cut back on the massive portions we eat.
I think meat makes up about half my diet, when realistically, it shoul dbe about 20-25% of my diet. Maybe less.
Theres no need for me to eat bacon and steaks and ribs every week. (Love that stuff though)
But I will try to find REAL free-range beef and other products for those interested in reducing the hormones, steroids, medicines, in their meats, as well as reducing the amount of tortured animals.
Nuclear fission
The Omnivore's DILEMMA
dilemma n. A situation that requires a choice between two equal, usu. unpleasant alternatives.
Scranton, Pennsylvania
Journey Ends:
I know. I hate corn products.
I agree with everything else you just said.
Nuclear fission
Next year I'm going to get rid of at least half of the grass in my backyard and plant a BIGGER vegetable garden.
There, I just became part of the solution, as long as I use Organic fertilizers.
I think, errrr, Hope?
Scranton, Pennsylvania
Journey Ends:
Dude! Haven't you watched Idiocracy? You're a smart guy, even if you are wrong all the time! You need to be out there making babies at a furious rate so that maybe the human gene pool won't be reduced to a ghetto redneck cesspool of stupidity!
that movie is frighteningly real. it may already be too late
I hail from Newfoundland originally, and have eaten many wild game(family of hunters and gatherers), but not Antelope. Moose is my favorite. Lean, and tasty.
Ahnimus, Snake, and halv, you have the gift of insight, integrity and education. Thanks. It's always a joy to read your posts.
I am on the teeter-totter again with the meat eating issue. I only eat organic, and local produce, or get it sent from The Rock. It's a completley different color, than what you end up with from the mass-run supermarkets.
I have been a little sensitive of this issue, as I am planning a pregnancy.
I just recently watched Mel Gibson's Apocalypto. That's enough to turn one's stomach for weeks. Anyone else watch it?
Holy human sacrifice Batman!!! A depiction, a movie, a history of Man.
Anatole France
Nuclear fission
Mmmmm Mmmmm Good!
Now I just need to find a potato documentary and I'll be satisfied.
Honestly, did you watch the video?
Nuclear fission
It's actually soybean oil that seems to be in everything. I think it contains Omega-6. Omega-6 (or whichever it is) is only good in small amounts and also destroys Omega-3 which is very good for you.
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Yes.
Have you ever killed and butchered your own food?
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I love my dogs, but they are still animals Not to sound cold and heartless, but thats my opinion. I wouldn't eat it, or even if I had a pet cow that I loved, I wouldnt eat it.
Didnt watch the video, but it makes me glad my fam raises its own meat.
No. do you?
I could actually probably butcher and kill my own food. I guess I have done that with fish.
But again, its not the butchering.
its not how they die....its how they live, that bothers me.
I can handle the butchering, that really doesnt bother me too much. It not that much different that say, a lion eating the intestines of a still-living gazelle, or a wolf pack tearing a deer to shreds.
but its the complete lifelong suffering of the animal with which I am disgusted.
Nuclear fission
It kind of does, if you think about it.
If you continue to buy meat from those places, then you are condoning it.
Nuclear fission
I got to the cattle being slaughtered and HAD to turn it off. I'm currently sat at my desk at work wiping tears from my eyes.
I used to work in morgue and I perform taxidermy as a hobby (only ever using road kill or animals I have found already dead), therefore i'm not generally a squeemish person but this turned my stomach. I have NEVER been more moved or sickened by an anti meat video in all of my born days.
I was a vegetarian for a number of years growing up but started to eat meat again as a means of protest again my vegetarian parents.
As of now, I am a vegetarian again.
Thank you for posting this.
and yes, yes I have.
... and I still think Drive-By Truckers are better.
I haven't.
But i'll check it out.
I don't know about in reference to the movie, but in general, yes ... yes, sadly, it is.
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Backhanded Complement Of The Year Award!
Thanks ... uh ... i think?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
first 3 minutes of the movie explains it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAYnc_-ddlw
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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I do.
Your attitude reminds me of a Will Ferrell skit...
"Oh, right, Margaret, you wanted prime rib. Here's the deal: The Palm wasn't taking reservations, and I didn't even try Morton's because I understand they have a new chef. So for now, let's just go with the Alpo, okay? I know it's not your first choice but keep in mind, you're a fucking dog!"
Animals are not people. Get over it.
That would be so good if we could do that to those farmers...
"What a stupid lamb."
"What a sick, masochistic lion."
Tell it to the supermarkets, I don't buy my food from slaughterhouses or farmers.
that would be a step towards a perfect world.