Senator wants to be sworn in on the Quran. Unamarican?

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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    God, I feel like walking outside, approaching my car, popping the trunk, and repeatedly hitting my head with a tire iron.

    Not putting Christian symbols at City Halls is not banning religion. If it is, than the City should have to ask each one of its citizens whether they have a seasonal holiday they would like to have represented. Oh, I guess it would not. The City would just say "Christians are the majority. Go home."

    You are not banning any religion--does a City practice a relgion? If some public school stopped a kid from reading his bible at study hall, I'd be right there with you.
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    God, I feel like walking outside, approaching my car, popping the trunk, and repeatedly hitting my head with a tire iron.

    In other words--those who don't agree are stupid.
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  • Uncle Leo
    Uncle Leo Posts: 1,059
    gue_barium wrote:

    End of thread.

    Apparently not. ;)
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  • IWillLiveForeve
    IWillLiveForeve Posts: 427
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    God, I feel like walking outside, approaching my car, popping the trunk, and repeatedly hitting my head with a tire iron.

    Let's go a little less dramatic--and a little more efficient. Open the window and jump out. Given you are in Buffalo, the maximum fall should be 2 stories. Should have the same effect as the tire iron, yet saved everybody time.
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Uncle Leo wrote:
    Apparently not. ;)

    I try.
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  • IWillLiveForeve
    IWillLiveForeve Posts: 427
    gue_barium wrote:
    I try.

    "There is no try, there is only do or do not" ---Motherfuckin' Yoda
  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    i'm guessing you don't laugh a lot.

    I could laugh at the fact that you're so far off in your assessment of me, but I'll have a beer instead. Seems the thing to do.
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  • Purple Hawk
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    IWillLiveForeve wrote:
    Let's go a little less dramatic--and a little more efficient. Open the window and jump out. Given you are in Buffalo, the maximum fall should be 2 stories. Should have the same effect as the tire iron, yet saved everybody time.

    I have to admit, that was pretty funny :D but you have to admit, the tire iron would get better ratings!
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  • gue_barium
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    IWillLiveForeve wrote:
    "There is no try, there is only do or do not" ---Motherfuckin' Yoda

    I forgot about "The Force".

    Forgive me.
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  • IWillLiveForeve
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    gue_barium wrote:
    I forgot about "The Force".

    Forgive me.

    I will, but the Force will not. It, just like rock'n roll, never forgets.
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    gue_barium wrote:
    I could laugh at the fact that you're so far off in your assessment of me, but I'll have a beer instead. Seems the thing to do.

    then maybe we're all in agreement, i'm more of a vodka guy though :)
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    then maybe we're all in agreement, i'm more of a vodka guy though :)

    I'm not into arguing while drinking. On the other hand, I've just got started, so if you want to take a good swipe at my post's, give it a go. I'm game.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    Let's highlight the real facts...there is No separation of church and state ANYWHERE in the constitution. Yet, it clearly states that we should not ban any religion. Yet, that's what we are doing. Why is this so complicated? God, I feel like walking outside, approaching my car, popping the trunk, and repeatedly hitting my head with a tire iron.
    Banning religion? Are we really? Please point me in the direction of news articles about how we're closing down churches, burning holy books, taking all the religious programming off the air, because I've somehow missed all of that. Which is funny, because I follow the news and I'd have expected that to be quite a story.

    The intent of the constitutional convention was QUITE clear. God is not mentioned at all in the original document (unless you want to be a stickler and count "in the year of our lord"), and the only reference to religion is the declaration that no religious test is required to hold office. This was not an oversight ... all but two of the state constitutions of the day made Christianity (and sometimes only protestant Christianity) the official religion. The framers of our constitution deliberately chose not to do this, and did so with very little debate on the issue.

    The supposed extreme religiosity that modern-day conservatives attempt to attribute to the founders is overstated to say the least. When Franklin moved that the convention open their sessions with a prayer, his proposal was ignored and never brought up again. Many proposals were made to inject Christianity into the constitution, and all were soundly rejected.

    Yes, the first amendment clearly states that we should not ban any religion, and it also clearly states that we should not establish one. Perhaps that is why I can't seem to find those news stories ... because no one is trying to ban any religion, only to prevent the state from promoting any one over all of the others, or over no religion at all.
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  • Collin
    Collin Posts: 4,931
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    The United States allows more freedom than any country in the world.

    Haven't been to a lot of countries, I guess?
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    I know I wouldn't want to wake up under a country that uses the Koran in its government.

    I wouldn't want to wake up under a country that uses any holy book in its gov't, including the Bible.

    I think he should be able to choose on what he wants to be sworn in regardless of how uncomfortable it might make you feel. The US claims to be a democracy so I guess you also get to elect your Senators, right? The people obviously think he can do the job, so I don't think putting a hand on a book will change any of that.


    I also have a question for Americans, what exactly is "un-American?"
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    The Illinoisemakers wrote:
    Easy buddy. By "they" I'm sure you are refering to the small contingent of conservatives on this board, which I proudly consider myself. This should be one issue where both left and right agree.

    I don't even think they should use a religious doctrine when swearing in a government representitive. They should use a copy of the constitution. That is what they are swearing to uphold.

    I'm thinking we have some reallly left leaning conservatives on this board....kidding of course...do agree with your post 100%.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    If any real ruling on this type of thing is going to come about, it should come in the form of a Constitutional Ammendment. Purple Hawk is correct. The idea that "seperation of church and state" is enforced by the Bill of Rights is a myth. There is nothing in U.S. law that specifically says "there will be complete seperation of church and state". It is a common interpretation of the Bill of Rights, but that doesn't mean it's the correct one. This is a Christian country, whether you or I like it or not. Take a look at a dollar bill if you think otherwise. I personally think there should be seperation of church and state, but I'm not going to use the Constitution to make an argument that we already have this. We don't.
  • RainDog
    RainDog Posts: 1,824
    Saturnal wrote:
    If any real ruling on this type of thing is going to come about, it should come in the form of a Constitutional Ammendment. Purple Hawk is correct. The idea that "seperation of church and state" is enforced by the Bill of Rights is a myth. There is nothing in U.S. law that specifically says "there will be complete seperation of church and state". It is a common interpretation of the Bill of Rights, but that doesn't mean it's the correct one. This is a Christian country, whether you or I like it or not. Take a look at a dollar bill if you think otherwise. I personally think there should be seperation of church and state, but I'm not going to use the Constitution to make an argument that we already have this. We don't.
    The god line didn't become a permanent staple on our currency until the 1950s.

    The "seperation of church and state" is not a myth. It may be debatable, but it's most certainly not a myth; at least Thomas Jefferson (who coined the phrase) didn't think so.

    We are not a "Christian" country. We are a country where the majority religion is Christian. There's a big difference.
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Saturnal wrote:
    If any real ruling on this type of thing is going to come about, it should come in the form of a Constitutional Ammendment. Purple Hawk is correct. The idea that "seperation of church and state" is enforced by the Bill of Rights is a myth. There is nothing in U.S. law that specifically says "there will be complete seperation of church and state". It is a common interpretation of the Bill of Rights, but that doesn't mean it's the correct one. This is a Christian country, whether you or I like it or not. Take a look at a dollar bill if you think otherwise. I personally think there should be seperation of church and state, but I'm not going to use the Constitution to make an argument that we already have this. We don't.
    I've examined my dollar bill closely, and I can't find Jesus anywhere.
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  • miller8966
    miller8966 Posts: 1,450
    I love how in this thread the original text of the constitution is so sacred and unmovable. But when it comes to gun laws, is where the constitution can be changed and manipulated.
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  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    RainDog wrote:
    The god line didn't become a permanent staple on our currency until the 1950s.

    The "seperation of church and state" is not a myth. It may be debatable, but it's most certainly not a myth; at least Thomas Jefferson (who coined the phrase) didn't think so.

    We are not a "Christian" country. We are a country where the majority religion is Christian. There's a big difference.

    The country was founded by Christians, and it is run by almost all Christians. Our holiday schedule is built around Christian holidays. I believe every single president has been Christian (or at least pretended to be!). All our so-called "values" and standards mostly stem from Christian beliefs (which is why we can have violence on tv, but not nudity for example).

    You can say the government isn't officially Christian, but that is the reality. On paper, it's not, but in reality, it is. Some of the Christians in the government are more sympathetic to people of other religions (thank Jesus ;)), but we're kidding ourselves if we don't accept that we live in a Christian country.
  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    hippiemom wrote:
    I've examined my dollar bill closely, and I can't find Jesus anywhere.

    haha you're going to hell then.

    I was just referring to the "In God We Trust" part. The God mentioned there is the Christian god, who is also who Jesus claimed to be.

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