Senator wants to be sworn in on the Quran. Unamarican?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

Very old thread.

Short answer , it isnt.

Personally I would prefer they swore or affirmed on a copy of the constitution

Ditto (or, for me, on the Charter of Rights). If I was asked to swear on a Bible I would refuse. And I just remembered that Victoria's mayor refused to swear an oath to the Queen last year, and it was called by some more conservative Canadians "unCanadian". But for the most part, no one gave a shit. Any oath that is sworn to the Queen in Canada (that includes the swearing in for new Canadians) should also instead be an oath to the Charter of Rights.

Why refuse?

You want me to swear on a bible? Sure. Bring the dusty old book over here and I'll swear on it if it makes you feel better.

That being said... the act is a relic that hasn't quite gone the way of the dinosaur. One hand over heart and the other in the air seems most appropriate (as meaningless as the act has become given the amount of deceit and corruption that typically follows).

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

Very old thread.

Short answer , it isnt.

Personally I would prefer they swore or affirmed on a copy of the constitution

Ditto (or, for me, on the Charter of Rights). If I was asked to swear on a Bible I would refuse. And I just remembered that Victoria's mayor refused to swear an oath to the Queen last year, and it was called by some more conservative Canadians "unCanadian". But for the most part, no one gave a shit. Any oath that is sworn to the Queen in Canada (that includes the swearing in for new Canadians) should also instead be an oath to the Charter of Rights.

Why refuse?

You want me to swear on a bible? Sure. Bring the dusty old book over here and I'll swear on it if it makes you feel better.

That being said... the act is a relic that hasn't quite gone the way of the dinosaur. One hand over heart and the other in the air seems most appropriate (as meaningless as the act has become given the amount of deceit and corruption that typically follows).

I would refuse because it is pointless for me to swear an oath on something that I consider bullshit. I say this as someone who would be taking the oath seriously of course. If I swear an oath, it actually means something. If you think oaths in general are garbage and don't feel like swearing one has any worth when it comes to whether or not you can be considered truthful or bound to something, then yeah, you'd go ahead and swear on a Bible even if you're an Atheist. But I would not swear an oath that way. Also, I wouldn't want to give the Bible that much credit, lol. Any public opportunity to denounce the Bible is one I'm going to take, haha.

HughFreakingDillon

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

Very old thread.

Short answer , it isnt.

Personally I would prefer they swore or affirmed on a copy of the constitution

Ditto (or, for me, on the Charter of Rights). If I was asked to swear on a Bible I would refuse. And I just remembered that Victoria's mayor refused to swear an oath to the Queen last year, and it was called by some more conservative Canadians "unCanadian". But for the most part, no one gave a shit. Any oath that is sworn to the Queen in Canada (that includes the swearing in for new Canadians) should also instead be an oath to the Charter of Rights.

Why refuse?

You want me to swear on a bible? Sure. Bring the dusty old book over here and I'll swear on it if it makes you feel better.

That being said... the act is a relic that hasn't quite gone the way of the dinosaur. One hand over heart and the other in the air seems most appropriate (as meaningless as the act has become given the amount of deceit and corruption that typically follows).

same reason I don't say "bless you" to someone who has sneezed, or bow my head when my brother says grace at family dinners. it's not my belief, don't expect me to participate in it.

gimmesometruth27

holy thread revival....

some old names in this one. some who are no longer with us...

i still stand by the post in made in 2006...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

Very old thread.

Short answer , it isnt.

Personally I would prefer they swore or affirmed on a copy of the constitution

Ditto (or, for me, on the Charter of Rights). If I was asked to swear on a Bible I would refuse. And I just remembered that Victoria's mayor refused to swear an oath to the Queen last year, and it was called by some more conservative Canadians "unCanadian". But for the most part, no one gave a shit. Any oath that is sworn to the Queen in Canada (that includes the swearing in for new Canadians) should also instead be an oath to the Charter of Rights.

Why refuse?

You want me to swear on a bible? Sure. Bring the dusty old book over here and I'll swear on it if it makes you feel better.

That being said... the act is a relic that hasn't quite gone the way of the dinosaur. One hand over heart and the other in the air seems most appropriate (as meaningless as the act has become given the amount of deceit and corruption that typically follows).

same reason I don't say "bless you" to someone who has sneezed, or bow my head when my brother says grace at family dinners. it's not my belief, don't expect me to participate in it.

I hear what you guys are saying and I'm sure you know how I feel about the crusty ritual. My point is that such meaningless traditional dribble still clings to us. Until people figure out the bible is insignificant, sensible people might have to say, "Yah yah. F**k the sun."

jeffbr

gimmesometruth27 said:

holy thread revival....

some old names in this one. some who are no longer with us...

i still stand by the post in made in 2006...

I miss hippiemom. I also stand by my post from way back.

gimmesometruth27

jeffbr said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

holy thread revival....

some old names in this one. some who are no longer with us...

i still stand by the post in made in 2006...

I miss hippiemom. I also stand by my post from way back.

i miss her too. sometimes this place changes when people leave or are banned, etc. their lack of presence is obvious. when she died i think it was the first time i noticed how someone's absence can impact an entire forum. there have been a couple of others since, but i think she was the first one that made me notice how dynamics can change when just one person leaves.

it is funny how we still feel the same way as we did nearly 9 years ago. some people evolve over time, but i think this issue shows that some things that we believe in are fundamental.

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

mickeyrat said:

Very old thread.

Short answer , it isnt.

Personally I would prefer they swore or affirmed on a copy of the constitution

Ditto (or, for me, on the Charter of Rights). If I was asked to swear on a Bible I would refuse. And I just remembered that Victoria's mayor refused to swear an oath to the Queen last year, and it was called by some more conservative Canadians "unCanadian". But for the most part, no one gave a shit. Any oath that is sworn to the Queen in Canada (that includes the swearing in for new Canadians) should also instead be an oath to the Charter of Rights.

Why refuse?

You want me to swear on a bible? Sure. Bring the dusty old book over here and I'll swear on it if it makes you feel better.

That being said... the act is a relic that hasn't quite gone the way of the dinosaur. One hand over heart and the other in the air seems most appropriate (as meaningless as the act has become given the amount of deceit and corruption that typically follows).

I would refuse because it is pointless for me to swear an oath on something that I consider bullshit. I say this as someone who would be taking the oath seriously of course. If I swear an oath, it actually means something. If you think oaths in general are garbage and don't feel like swearing one has any worth when it comes to whether or not you can be considered truthful or bound to something, then yeah, you'd go ahead and swear on a Bible even if you're an Atheist. But I would not swear an oath that way. Also, I wouldn't want to give the Bible that much credit, lol. Any public opportunity to denounce the Bible is one I'm going to take, haha.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxnxH-7Xk7U

PJ_Soul

PJfanwillneverleave1

This is an old thread bumped.
Goes to show this stuff never ends.
Round and round the merry go round.
This shit is still prevalent.