they shit me to, but hey i just try and live my life the best i can and not worry bout other people thoughts on the war and religion and everything else, cause if i did, id probably kill them.i have zero patience for alot of things
lately i seem to have zero tolerance for everything. in fact i don't even know what im still doing here most times.
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The people of Germany let Hitler happen. Hitler didn't just wake up one day and say ok ok start killing all these people. It was a slow steady progression of demonizing and racial prejudice combined with complacency.
It's a genie in the bottle effect and a lot of people are too damn busy, stupid, ignorant etc.. to realize. God forbid you were mistaken for a Jew (terrorist) in Hitler's (Bush's) time.
All in the name of terrorism. Yeah right. That's the brainwash right there.
Demonize...kill...kill... no mater what it takes to "defeat" the invisible undefeatable enemy :rolleyes:
I hope people will stop hitting the snooze button long enough before we all create a monster that has no discretion on what a "terrorist" really is.
So when is civil disobedience going to be terrorism? We're far too close already.
Millions have fought and died against the powers that be to have what we have today, and we are letting it all just slip away...all because were too fucking stupid to realize.
Yes, and civil disobedience took a big hit the other day, right? When Bush's executive order allows him to fuck anyone who may be "threatening the stability of Iraq" - according to him? Unbelievable. And people aren't paying attention. It's criminal and it's horrifying.
jesus would take a few bong hits and then drink some red wine before coming to a conclusion.i always wonder how good was the red wine jesus drank and how many pair of flip flops did he have and if jesus was more of a boob man or an ass man
Yes, and civil disobedience took a big hit the other day, right? When Bush's executive order allows him to fuck anyone who may be "threatening the stability of Iraq" - according to him? Unbelievable. And people aren't paying attention. It's criminal and it's horrifying.
Exactly. All one has to do is follow what he is doing. He just makes the shit up now like a full on dictator...just snaps his fingers...poof!.....and fuck anyone who disagrees in the process.
If you don't drink the kool-aid you're a terrorist now.
Obey or die.
insanity
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
cause sometimes they dont know it cause there brainwashed. people are happy being brainwashed here thats whats people outside of america dont get. i live with these peoples and see what goes on first hand.
This is absolutely true. Being brain washed is not all that bad if you're lucky enough to still be succeptible. Unfortunately their votes but more importantly their money still counts.
Confucious Says: He who buries a man's wife alive, should not expect to sit at that man's dinner table without the subject coming up.
This is absolutely true. Being brain washed is not all that bad if you're lucky enough to still be succeptible. Unfortunately their votes but more importantly their money still counts.
excatly thats the only reason why bush(the figure head) is in power, he was the perfect puppet for the christian right.the only difference between bush and hitler is that hitler was smart(except for going after russia) and was the LEADER.
Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
jesus would take a few bong hits and then drink some red wine before coming to a conclusion.i always wonder how good was the red wine jesus drank and how many pair of flip flops did he have and if jesus was more of a boob man or an ass man
i think jesus was gay. he was always hanging out with those apostles of his.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Exactly. All one has to do is follow what the he is doing. He just makes the shit up now like a full on dictator...just snaps his fingers...poof!.....and fuck anyone who disagrees in the process.
If you don't drink the kool-aid you're a terrorist now.
Obey or die.
insanity
Well, people are lazy and ignorant. And they don't see how one little thing (in their mind) like that can ruin humanity as we know it. One small step for terrorism, one giant leap for dictatorship.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
excatly thats the only reason why bush(the figure head) is in power, he was the perfect puppet for the christian right.the only difference between bush and hitler is that hitler was smart(except for going after russia) and was the LEADER.
I do agree that Bush is a figurehead but not for the christian right. The christian right are part of the Republican coaltion but they are no where near in charge. Every now and then the Republicans stir the soup with abortion and stem cells to keep them happy but both Cheney and Rove think that they're pretty much gullible.
The real power base within the Republican administration is primarily the economy and as they understand it it would freeze without oil. This conversation belongs in another thread at this point but we are pretty much in a new cold war with China and losing.
Confucious Says: He who buries a man's wife alive, should not expect to sit at that man's dinner table without the subject coming up.
Well, people are lazy and ignorant. And they don't see how one little thing (in their mind) like that can ruin humanity as we know it. One small step for terrorism, one giant leap for dictatorship.
It's definitely a tightrope that's for sure. I'm almost thinking every country that's on top is doomed to be toppled at some point as people get fat and lazy and politicians, in light of, run amuck.
I think it's just human nature.
It's certainly a phenomenon in itself, and I doubt the people of Germany ever thought that one day there would be dead jews lying and rotting everywhere in the streets of their cities. I'm sure if you told them they would laugh at you and call you crazy.
I say it's an extremely slippery slope, so why keep sliding down it? Some people tell me I'm over reacting. Then I say... well... you know that saying that history has that little stubborn habit of repeating itself again and again and again?
I don't trust anyone who seeks that much control over my life.
As should no one.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
It's definitely a tightrope that's for sure. I'm almost thinking every country that's on top is doomed to be toppled at some point as people get fat and lazy and politicians, in light of, run amuck.
I think it's just human nature.
It's certainly a phenomenon in itself, and I doubt the people of Germany ever thought that one day there would be dead jews lying and rotting everywhere in the streets of their cities. I'm sure if you told them they would laugh at you and call you crazy.
I say it's an extremely slippery slope, so why keep sliding down it? Some people tell me I'm over reacting. Then I say... well... you know that saying that history has that little stubborn habit of repeating itself again and again and again?
I don't trust anyone who seeks that much control over my life.
As should no one.
I'm with you, Roland. It is a slippery slope and it's a big fucking deal. I'm tired and need to go to bed..but before I go we should get back on topic. Go Jesus! :rolleyes:
I'm with you, Roland. It is a slippery slope and it's a big fucking deal. I'm tired and need to go to bed..but before I go we should get back on topic. Go Jesus! :rolleyes:
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Do you want a seperation of church and state or not? Do you want a theology?
Christians are just like everyone else. I can't believe someone old enough to post a thread hasn't figured that out yet. As politicians they are just as capable at hypocracy as a non-Christian. They are just as capable at giving into temptation and doing the wrong thing as a non-Christian. They can be nice, they can be assholes. The only real difference between a Christian and an atheist or other non-Christian in public office is that the Christian believes he/she is accountable to God for his/her actions when they die.
that's about the most honest answer i've heard on here.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
Matthew 1:16 (King James Version)
And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ
Luke 3:23 (King James Version)
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
Jacob = Heli?
John 10:30 (King James Version)
I and my Father are one.
John 14:28 (King James Version)
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Jesus != God?
Genesis 1:25 (King James Version)
And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:26 (King James Version)
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Genesis 2:18 (King James Version)
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Genesis 2:19 (King James Version)
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
Huh?
what?
dude, you're an atheist. why are you trying to interpret the bible?
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
Well, you said yourself (and I paraphrase;)), the Old Testament stars Vengeful God, New Testament stars Peace-nik Jesus. I'm assuming they give out different messages (I must admit, I haven't read the Bible. Shocker.)
And what about context? Does faith have context a lot of the time? (Genuine question.)
I don't know, I was pretty indifferent towards the Catholic church until recently, when I saw a couple of articles in a local Catholic newspaper type thingy.
For me, I grew up Catholic until I hit my very early teens, at which point I started questioning a lot of it, and went atheist. Reading this kind of crap (the newspaper stuff, not you guys) just kinda reinforces all my doubts about religious zealotry.
well, i'm glad for your honest answer that you haven't read the bible much. but at least you know the difference between the old and new testament... so you do know some.
but if you'd really really really like to know i'll be happy to give some insights... i mean, i don't know everything but i know enough to help you out
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
Yes, yes, I am familiar with the Sermon on the Mount. But there are also passages in the New Testament that refer to governing authorities as "bearing God's sword.
"But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."
Don't sound like "turn the other cheek" to me.
I'm not saying you have to agree with Christian theology. I'm just telling you how Christian theology can rationalize war. It was the question posed in the title of this thread, after all.
yeah, but it's mainly speaking of a "spiritual" sword... i think you're referring to Romans... it's a portion also quoted on that movie Dead Man Walking... to subject yourselves to the govermnments that were placed by God.
it's speaking of everything in general... political government and church government. it's not supporting war in any way. when it speaks about bearing God's sword... it's speaking about the "word of God"....
like it says in Hebrews, "for the word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any double-edged sword..." and also in Revelation when John sees Jesus Christ he sees a "sword in his mouth" a figure of the word of God. so if, let's say, I were to mess up in any way, the leader has the authority to correct me by using scriptures.... not meant literally to stab someone...
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
And, to paraphrase what you said to me earlier, that's only YOUR interpretation.
That's not the interpretation pushed by pretty much any mainstream sect of Christianity. And again, that's all I'm saying. This is how Christians rationalize war. That much isn't up for argument. It is a fact. This is how they do it.
Again, you might think you know what Jesus would do, and you might be right, who knows? But that's not what the mainstream of Christians believe. Your opinion doesn't change the fact that this stuff is what is being taught in Christian churches right now, and has been for centuries.
then if that's what mainstream christians believe, i'm glad i'm not one of them... i guess, at this point i can draw a line between them that know how to read the bible right and those that don't. and those that justify war by mixing those scriptures have it all wrong.
This isn't the land of opportunity, it's the land of competition.
well, i'm glad for your honest answer that you haven't read the bible much. but at least you know the difference between the old and new testament... so you do know some.
but if you'd really really really like to know i'll be happy to give some insights... i mean, i don't know everything but i know enough to help you out
Well, as I said, I was raised Catholic, so I know a fair amount... Me and a friend gave our religion teacher hell a few years ago, because we knew a lot about religion, but were blatantly atheist, and just kept stirring shit up.:D
So I guess it's not so much the Bible that I'm wondering about. My question to you is exactly the one I posted. Does faith have a context? Does the message one takes from the Bible (Old vs. New Testament, forgiveness vs. "church discipline") vary from situation to situation ?
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
or why aren't they more environmentaly conscious? the bible said the world is his gift...look at how his great gift is treated! ppl like ann coulter and others will argue the dominion over it all...that doesn't change the fact: imagine if you gave your child a really big gift...something unique, one of a kind and they treat it like shit, like it doesn't matter...?
i'm sure god didn't want us to have to BUY water to drink b/c the water sources are all dirty and polluted (not to mention the soil, air, food sources....)
I think there are a lot more christians who are environmentally conscious than you think. It's just not their main political priority. http://www.ctlibrary.com/34178 You don't have to be at rallies or protests in order to be environmentally conscious.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
People that profess to be good honest people don't promote violence as a means to solve their problems. Period. However the media has fed it wonderfully to you to rationalize and justify for years now
back to your plate of hay..
i love the sheep comments, b/c from what i'm reading on here the people who don't like christianity or religion sure all sound the same and repeat the same things.
make sure the fortune that you seek...is the fortune that you need
dude, you're an atheist. why are you trying to interpret the bible?
This is funny. Why don't you (a christian) interpret the verses he cited. And in case you didn't know, education is good. So it pays to learn about both sides.
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lately i seem to have zero tolerance for everything. in fact i don't even know what im still doing here most times.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
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were all gonna die from nukes sooner or later might as well enjoy earth before its to late
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
Exactly. All one has to do is follow what he is doing. He just makes the shit up now like a full on dictator...just snaps his fingers...poof!.....and fuck anyone who disagrees in the process.
If you don't drink the kool-aid you're a terrorist now.
Obey or die.
insanity
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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This is absolutely true. Being brain washed is not all that bad if you're lucky enough to still be succeptible. Unfortunately their votes but more importantly their money still counts.
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
i think jesus was gay. he was always hanging out with those apostles of his.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs7NbgkgbQU
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
(")_(")
I was actually thinking more along the lines of "the end is near". The product is not "the end" but the "nearness of the end".
i have to admit i do like those 'buddy christ' figures in kevin smith's dogma.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
I do agree that Bush is a figurehead but not for the christian right. The christian right are part of the Republican coaltion but they are no where near in charge. Every now and then the Republicans stir the soup with abortion and stem cells to keep them happy but both Cheney and Rove think that they're pretty much gullible.
The real power base within the Republican administration is primarily the economy and as they understand it it would freeze without oil. This conversation belongs in another thread at this point but we are pretty much in a new cold war with China and losing.
It's definitely a tightrope that's for sure. I'm almost thinking every country that's on top is doomed to be toppled at some point as people get fat and lazy and politicians, in light of, run amuck.
I think it's just human nature.
It's certainly a phenomenon in itself, and I doubt the people of Germany ever thought that one day there would be dead jews lying and rotting everywhere in the streets of their cities. I'm sure if you told them they would laugh at you and call you crazy.
I say it's an extremely slippery slope, so why keep sliding down it? Some people tell me I'm over reacting. Then I say... well... you know that saying that history has that little stubborn habit of repeating itself again and again and again?
I don't trust anyone who seeks that much control over my life.
As should no one.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
High fiiive
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Have a good night. Sleep well.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
dude, you're an atheist. why are you trying to interpret the bible?
but if you'd really really really like to know i'll be happy to give some insights... i mean, i don't know everything but i know enough to help you out
it's speaking of everything in general... political government and church government. it's not supporting war in any way. when it speaks about bearing God's sword... it's speaking about the "word of God"....
like it says in Hebrews, "for the word of God is quick and powerful, sharper than any double-edged sword..." and also in Revelation when John sees Jesus Christ he sees a "sword in his mouth" a figure of the word of God. so if, let's say, I were to mess up in any way, the leader has the authority to correct me by using scriptures.... not meant literally to stab someone...
Well, as I said, I was raised Catholic, so I know a fair amount... Me and a friend gave our religion teacher hell a few years ago, because we knew a lot about religion, but were blatantly atheist, and just kept stirring shit up.:D
So I guess it's not so much the Bible that I'm wondering about. My question to you is exactly the one I posted. Does faith have a context? Does the message one takes from the Bible (Old vs. New Testament, forgiveness vs. "church discipline") vary from situation to situation ?
I think there are a lot more christians who are environmentally conscious than you think. It's just not their main political priority. http://www.ctlibrary.com/34178 You don't have to be at rallies or protests in order to be environmentally conscious.
i love the sheep comments, b/c from what i'm reading on here the people who don't like christianity or religion sure all sound the same and repeat the same things.
This is funny. Why don't you (a christian) interpret the verses he cited. And in case you didn't know, education is good. So it pays to learn about both sides.
Anyway, what would Jesus NOT do?
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