Why aren't Christians pacifists?

ArmsinaV
ArmsinaV Posts: 108
edited July 2007 in A Moving Train
Honest question here for Christians, mainly.

Turn the other cheek when someone hits you. Why is it applicable in personal life and not social/political life?

As a Christian, I'm starting to wonder myself if that's not the best way to approach the world....
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Because the ones that aren't, aren't really Christians. There's some kind of delusional self hypnotic mind f--- gong on.

    I bet it probably looks like some kind of seizure on a brain scan until the brainwashing has completed it's course and the brain has been rewired to auto self justify and rationalize everything by default.

    Aside from that, they are either very much insane or just lying to everyone (including themselves).
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Have you even read the Bible?

    God ordered a hell of a lot of killing in there. He's the ultimate mafia don.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Have you even read the Bible?

    God ordered a hell of a lot of killing in there. He's the ultimate mafia don.

    Tis' true. Check it out yourself.
    I'll keep taking punches
    Untill their will grows tired
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,260
    1. The Apostle Paul preached from the public square against the Pharisees to their faces. So, obviously it is okay to let your opinion be heard.

    2. The Old Testament is full of war. Okay, so the New Testament changed a lot of things and made some rules of the Old Testament irrevelant. But, read Revelation...not such a peaceful ending.

    Look, you all think we are these hateful people. Well, the Bible says homosexuality is a sin. The church should welcome all people into the church. But when churchgoers repeatedly commit the same sin (not just homosexuality) without even giving a fight or believing it is wrong, they should not be welcome. They would be blatantly spitting in the face of God. It is common sense.

    Also, because of the Bible, we believe there is good and evil. So, sometimes you can't talk to evil, you gotta defend yourselves. WWII is a good example. It isn't even a matter about religion. You have to defend yourself.
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    What about all that business about turn the other cheek, and love thy neighbor as thyself?

    It seems people today justify anything the media tells them to. Pwned by the media.

    back to your plates of hay
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,260
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    What about all that business about turn the other cheek, and love thy neighbor as thyself?

    It seems people today justify anything the media tells them to. Pwned by the media.

    back to your plates of hay

    I thought religion was the problem? But it is the media controlling religion? Pick a story and stick to it. And who says "pwned" anymore? You should be embarrassed.

    What about verses in the Bible that talk about church discipline and that you shouldn't even talk to a person who claims to be a believer but ignores God's law? The Bible is a large book. You focus on two verses in order to twist things to what you want to believe.
  • Juberoo
    Juberoo Posts: 472
    Some Christians do take a neutral stand just like Jesus. They don't vote, go to war or get involved in politics.
    Makes much more sense, to live in the present tense.

    A truly liberal person is conservative when necessary.

    Pro-life by choice.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    I thought religion was the problem? But it is the media controlling religion? Pick a story and stick to it. And who says "pwned" anymore? You should be embarrassed.

    What about verses in the Bible that talk about church discipline and that you shouldn't even talk to a person who claims to be a believer but ignores God's law? The Bible is a large book. You focus on two verses in order to twist things to what you want to believe.

    So would you agree that the Bible has something of a conflicted message?

    After all, if the Bible can't get its shit straight, how can its followers be expected to?
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    I thought religion was the problem? But it is the media controlling religion? Pick a story and stick to it. And who says "pwned" anymore? You should be embarrassed.

    What about verses in the Bible that talk about church discipline and that you shouldn't even talk to a person who claims to be a believer but ignores God's law? The Bible is a large book. You focus on two verses in order to twist things to what you want to believe.

    Your argument is extremely weak. What are the 10 commandments for? folly? kicks?

    The media tells you what to think and how to react whether you realize it or not and how that translates and rationalizes in your head.

    Especially if you see an enemy before you trying to kill you.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    ArmsinaV wrote:
    Honest question here for Christians, mainly.

    Turn the other cheek when someone hits you. Why is it applicable in personal life and not social/political life?

    As a Christian, I'm starting to wonder myself if that's not the best way to approach the world....

    It IS the best way to approach the world. We are encouraged by Christ to do such. The problem is, many of our Christian Brothers and Sisters like to cherrypick.
    i believe it was Ghandi that said something like (and i paraphrase) "you're Christ, I like, you're Christians... not so much". Does that make Christianity bad? No. It's hard sometimes, as a Christrian, to feel like "Christians are way off the mark", but i don't let that have a negative impact on my faith. You shoudn't either, Bro. i hope and pray that you don't.
    "When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    ArmsinaV wrote:
    Honest question here for Christians, mainly.

    Turn the other cheek when someone hits you. Why is it applicable in personal life and not social/political life?

    As a Christian, I'm starting to wonder myself if that's not the best way to approach the world....
    Do you want a seperation of church and state or not? Do you want a theology?

    Christians are just like everyone else. I can't believe someone old enough to post a thread hasn't figured that out yet. As politicians they are just as capable at hypocracy as a non-Christian. They are just as capable at giving into temptation and doing the wrong thing as a non-Christian. They can be nice, they can be assholes. The only real difference between a Christian and an atheist or other non-Christian in public office is that the Christian believes he/she is accountable to God for his/her actions when they die.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Isn't it interesting the Bush is making more terrorists but also delusional Christian right wing-nuts as well?

    What a pathetic legacy
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Surferdude, if only they believed they were accountable to their peers. There would be less theists sitting in jail right now. It seems like the atheists got that part figured out. I mean, Kent Hovind is rotting away in prison, meanwhile the secular community he fought remains free. That might have something to do with who they owe their accountability to.
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,260
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    So would you agree that the Bible has something of a conflicted message?

    After all, if the Bible can't get its shit straight, how can its followers be expected to?

    Who said it sends a conflicted message? You? What about context?
  • surferdude
    surferdude Posts: 2,057
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Surferdude, if only they believed they were accountable to their peers. There would be less theists sitting in jail right now. It seems like the atheists got that part figured out. I mean, Kent Hovind is rotting away in prison, meanwhile the secular community he fought remains free. That might have something to do with who they owe their accountability to.
    Where did I say they weren't accountable to their peers? I said the only difference is that they also believe they are accountable to God for their actions. This certainly does not preclude being accountable to peers as well. They are accountable to peers in this life and God in the next.
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    when it hits you, you feel to pain.
    So brutalize me with music.”
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  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    surferdude wrote:
    Where did I say they weren't accountable to their peers? I said the only difference is that they also believe they are accountable to God for their actions. This certainly does not preclude being accountable to peers as well. They are accountable to peers in this life and God in the next.

    So.. then.. the only difference is that theists have a warped ideology affecting their judgement?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • cornnifer
    cornnifer Posts: 2,130
    Ahnimus wrote:
    So.. then.. the only difference is that theists have a warped ideology affecting their judgement?

    Who says theists have a "warped ideology affecting their judgement"? You? Who says that atheists don't have a warped ideology affecting theirs? Me? Its a swinging door argument.

    To make an analogy, Many people read shakespeare and don't understand it. Does that make shakespeare bad?
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,260
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Your argument is extremely weak. What are the 10 commandments for? folly? kicks?

    The media tells you what to think and how to react whether you realize it or not and how that translates and rationalizes in your head.

    Especially if you see an enemy before you trying to kill you.

    The media has nothing to do with how I view religion. Their must be a conspiracy for someone to think differently from you, right?

    The Ten Commandments are from the Old Testament. There were wars fought by God and His people in the Old Testament. Yeah, it is a weak argument that says Christians can support a war. Quit acting and thinking like a child because you are not getting your way.
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Matthew 1:16 (King James Version)
    And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ

    Luke 3:23 (King James Version)
    And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

    Jacob = Heli?

    John 10:30 (King James Version)
    I and my Father are one.

    John 14:28 (King James Version)
    Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

    Jesus != God?

    Genesis 1:25 (King James Version)
    And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
    Genesis 1:26 (King James Version)
    And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    Genesis 2:18 (King James Version)
    And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
    Genesis 2:19 (King James Version)
    And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

    Huh?
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    cornnifer wrote:
    Who says theists have a "warped ideology affecting their judgement"? You? Who says that atheists don't have a warped ideology affecting theirs? Me? Its a swinging door argument.

    To make an analogy, Many people read shakespeare and don't understand it. Does that make shakespeare bad?

    Probably, I personally don't care for Shakespeare
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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