Okay. So when this "cougar" was going for your balls, are you sure she wasn't trying to make sure you wouldn't eventually procreate?
I mean women are so aggressive and violent and all.
No she really wanted to get laid, as I understood, her husband was out of town and she was looking for a good time.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
The recent *Personal Safety Survey - 2006 conducted by the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows that of those who have experienced violence in the past 12 months, alcohol or other drugs were involved in:
75.3 % of instances where a male was assaulted by another male 49.8 % of instances where a male was assaulted by a female
50.6 % of instances where a female was assaulted by another female 48.5 % of instances where a female was assaulted by a male.
Domestic violence is a significant problem. Measures of the incidence of violence in intimate relationships can differ markedly in their findings depending on the measures used. Survey approaches tend to show parity in the use of violence by both men and women against partners than do approaches using data from reports of domestic violence that tends to show women experiencing violence from male partners as the majority of cases (over 80%). Further discussion of this occurs in the next section on gender differences.
Research based on the survey based Conflict Tactics Scale, a measure of intrafamily conflict and violence focusing on the adults in the family developed by Murray Straus (1979) has included national U.S. surveys on the prevalence of family violence in the and other countries. These include the two U.S. National Family Violence Surveys (Straus & Gelles, 1990), the National Violence Against Women Survey (Tjaden & Thoennes, 2000), this research has tended to show men and women equally violent.
Research based on reported domestic violence or on police records show men to be responsible for the majority of domestic violence and the high frequency of women as victims.
The problem of under-reporting is believed to be substantial.
US
It is estimated that every year in the United States, approximately 3 million women are assaulted by their partner. One in four women in the U.S. will be assaulted by their partner over their lifetimes.
In 1998 in the U.S.,of the approximately 1.5 million violent crimes committed between intimate partners, over 874,000 of the victims were women, and over 832,000 were men. Of the approximately 1,830 murders committed against intimate partners in 1998, 3 out of 4 of the victims were women. In 2001 according to the United States Census Bureau there were 691,710 non-fatal domestic violence acts committed and 1,247 fatal incidents. In homes where domestic violence occurs, children in the home are at a 300% greater risk of being abused.
6-12% of women are abused in a given year
20-30% of women receiving welfare are current victims of Domestic Violence
30-65% of all homicides of women are related to Domestic Violence by their male partners
According to Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting (RADAR) report:
•Women are just as likely as men to engage in partner aggression (Kelly 2003)
•Men experience over one-third of DV-related injuries (Psychological Bulletin, Vol. 126, No. 5, pages 651-680)
•Men are far less likely to report DV incidents than women (Stets and Straus 1990)
•The myths about domestic violence are numerous (Gelles 1995)
•Many of these myths are based on DV studies that use biased survey methods (Arriaga and Oskamp 1999)
The county's family judges are retrained to ignore due process in domestic violence petitions. Federal programs like Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) fund this training (Bleemer, New Jersey Law Review, 1995). 85% of these orders are issues against men (Young, Independent Women’s Forum, 2005). Family judges often issue orders of protection or restraining orders without any direct threat of harm (Heleniak, Rutgers Law Review, Spring 2005). Often these orders are widely used as "part of the gamesmanship of divorce." (Kasper, Illinois Bar Journal, June 2005 and Kiernan, New Jersey Law Journal, April 1988)
New research published in the Journal of Family Psychology says that contrary to media and public opinion women commit more acts of violence than men in eleven categories: throw something, push, grab, shove, slap, kick, bite, hit or threaten a partner with a knife or gun. The study, which is based on interviews with 1,615 married or cohabiting couples and extrapolated nationally using census data, found that 21 percent of couples reported domestic violence. The Washington Times confirms study.
Domestic violence occurs in 18% of lesbian couples in the US so it appears to be gender independent. In an effort to be more inclusive, many organizations have made an effort to use gender-neutral terms when referring to perpetratorship and victimhood.
Historically domestic violence has been seen as a family issue and little interest has been directed at violence in same-sex relationships. It has not been until recently, as the gay rights movement has brought the issues of gay and lesbian people into public attention, when research has been started to conduct on same-sex relationships. Several studies have indicated that partner abuse among same-sex couples (both female and male) is relatively similar in both prevalence and dynamics to that among opposite-sex couples [1] . Gays and lesbians, however, face special obstacles in dealing with the issues that some researchers have labelled "the double closet": not only do gay and lesbian people often feel that they are discriminated against and dismissed by police and social services, they are also often met with lack of support from their peers who would rather keep quiet about the problem in order not to attract negative attention toward the gay community. Also, the supportive services are mostly designed for the needs of heterosexual women and do not always meet the needs of other groups.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
And what does this have to do with the topic anyway?
The topic is are women being influenced to be immoral, and "sexualized' therefore relegating them to being viewed as not really important. At least as I understood it.
And I know she's a fictional character. And I think there are lots of women who probably hold up those particular 3 fictional women as models. Isnt the influence of the media on society's perception of women the topic? Or have I gone crazy? Or is this more of a " I want equal rights, but I want to not be hit and be allowed to hit" type of thread?
Unless that shirt mentioned in the article is ironic, it would be sad to see a girl wearing that--because it would just be objectifying the girl. But there should not be anything wrong with a girl or woman embracing and celebrating her own sexuality. The problem is when she is objectified. There's a big difference and one that is not as commonly found when dealing with men's sexuality. Yes, slutty is a word, but you can't deny that words are powerful and indicative of our values. 'Just a word' is such a cop-out. Calling a female a slut is highly offensive because for a long time that was primarily used for women because there is a sexual double standard on women. Men have not had to suffer those labels like women have. Men are commonly celebrated when they are sexually active. Women are commonly punished, which is weird because who are the men having sex with, you know? Now I don't know if this is the way you roll, maybe you just have issues with sex in general--which wouldn't be surprising if you're an American.
Sex and the City is a show primarily about four women's relationships with each other. Yes they have sex and relationships with men, just like many other people do. The show is all about them and the most beautiful city of New York. I don't think there has been a show quite as women-friendly and it's about time.
Oh, and please don't patronize me with calling me 'dear'.
The topic is are women being influenced to be immoral, and "sexualized' therefore relegating them to being viewed as not really important. At least as I understood it.
And I know she's a fictional character. And I think there are lots of women who probably hold up those particular 3 fictional women as models. Isnt the influence of the media on society's perception of women the topic? Or have I gone crazy? Or is this more of a " I want equal rights, but I want to not be hit and be allowed to hit" type of thread?
I think it was more of a "some dude killed some girls, so let's have pity on women for being opressed" thread.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
In 1998 in the U.S.,of the approximately 1.5 million violent crimes committed between intimate partners, over 874,000 of the victims were women, and over 832,000 were men. Of the approximately 1,830 murders committed against intimate partners in 1998, 3 out of 4 of the victims were women. In 2001 according to the United States Census Bureau there were 691,710 non-fatal domestic violence acts committed and 1,247 fatal incidents. In homes where domestic violence occurs, children in the home are at a 300% greater risk of being abused.
Now let's have another look at that, but I'll just move the over a bit ...
In 1998 in the U.S.,of the approximately 1.5 million violent crimes committed between intimate partners, over 874,000 of the victims were women, and over 832,000 were men. Of the approximately 1,830 murders committed against intimate partners in 1998, 3 out of 4 of the victims were women. In 2001 according to the United States Census Bureau there were 691,710 non-fatal domestic violence acts committed and 1,247 fatal incidents. In homes where domestic violence occurs, children in the home are at a 300% greater risk of being abused.
See how much different that looks?
You also emphasized the following point, which I find highly relevant:
New research published in the Journal of Family Psychology says that contrary to media and public opinion women commit more acts of violence than men in eleven categories: throw something, push, grab, shove, slap, kick, bite, hit or threaten a partner with a knife or gun.
So essentially, what this says is that women are at least as likely to throw something or give you a shove, but much less likely to kill you, correct?
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
The topic is are women being influenced to be immoral, and "sexualized' therefore relegating them to being viewed as not really important. At least as I understood it.
And I know she's a fictional character. And I think there are lots of women who probably hold up those particular 3 fictional women as models. Isnt the influence of the media on society's perception of women the topic? Or have I gone crazy? Or is this more of a " I want equal rights, but I want to not be hit and be allowed to hit" type of thread?
I really can't comment on anything related to any television show, since I don't watch television. That she's a fictional character is all that I know about her, so I have no idea what sort of role model she might be.
I made my comment because you sympathized with whoever might marry her, which seemed like sort of a goofy thing to say about someone who doesn't exist.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
It's very interesting what you chose to highlight there. For example:
Now let's have another look at that, but I'll just move the over a bit ...
See how much different that looks?
You also emphasized the following point, which I find highly relevant:
So essentially, what this says is that women are at least as likely to throw something or give you a shove, but much less likely to kill you, correct?
Correct, another study confirms women are more likely to use psychological abuse, and yet another study shows that all physical abuse is preceded by psychological abuse.
I know from my own personal experience, my ex would psychologically abuse me all of the time. As much as I wanted to smack her around for the things she said, I didn't, even though it was defamation of my character. Eventually though, she did become violent and threaten to kill me.
So we can correlated that women probably get killed by their husbands for instigating with psychological abuse, things like defamation of character and false accusations.
I don't condone the murders at all. But we can learn that psychological abuse is damaging to a person's psyche and potentially hazardess. All in all, the studies show an equal amount of abuse. Physically, that is.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Did I miss something? I mean, and you're probably going to call me an insensitive prick, but women aren't forced to wear that stuff.
Yet, listen to them complain about Muslim women in countries like Iran being forced to cover themselves up. Double-standards man. Besides, women in Iran are only forced if they are in-fact Muslim. Jewish women living in Iran are not forced. Not that forcing is right.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Correct, another study confirms women are more likely to use psychological abuse, and yet another study shows that all physical abuse is preceded by psychological abuse.
I know from my own personal experience, my ex would psychologically abuse me all of the time. As much as I wanted to smack her around for the things she said, I didn't, even though it was defamation of my character. Eventually though, she did become violent and threaten to kill me.
So we can correlated that women probably get killed by their husbands for instigating with psychological abuse, things like defamation of character and false accusations.
I don't condone the murders at all. But we can learn that psychological abuse is damaging to a person's psyche and potentially hazardess. All in all, the studies show an equal amount of abuse. Physically, that is.
You know, it's a really good thing that I don't see my personal experiences with men as being sociological phenomenons the way you seem to do. YOU never got in an accident, YOU had a girlfriend who hit you, YOU had one experience with a drunken idiot at a bar ... I mean, come on! I've had more encounters with drunken idiots at bars, concerts, parties, or just walking down the street, than I care to even think about, and I've had a couple of experiences with men that would make your hair stand on end, but none of that is relevant to the discussion.
For every study you find that says women instigate with psychological abuse, I could find five studies that say something different, but what would that accomplish? I really don't see this discussion going anywhere. It sounds to me like you've got some anger issues with women.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
You know, it's a really good thing that I don't see my personal experiences with men as being sociological phenomenons the way you seem to do. YOU never got in an accident, YOU had a girlfriend who hit you, YOU had one experience with a drunken idiot at a bar ... I mean, come on! I've had more encounters with drunken idiots at bars, concerts, parties, or just walking down the street, than I care to even think about, and I've had a couple of experiences with men that would make your hair stand on end, but none of that is relevant to the discussion.
For every study you find that says women instigate with psychological abuse, I could find five studies that say something different, but what would that accomplish? I really don't see this discussion going anywhere. It sounds to me like you've got some anger issues with women.
Nope, no anger issues. Now I'm glad you see it the way I do. All those studies are circumstantial, including the ones claiming women are 80% of DV victims.
Also, I'm glad to see you agree that an individuals personal experience is not indicative of the entire population or an entire gender or race.
I rest my case.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Yet, listen to them complain about Muslim women in countries like Iran being forced to cover themselves up. Double-standards man. Besides, women in Iran are only forced if they are in-fact Muslim. Jewish women living in Iran are not forced. Not that forcing is right.
Now you're doing the overgeneralizing ... Personally, I am willing to concede that some of these school shootings involve an element of misogyny (not all, mind you), AND I think the veil is repressive. No double-standard here, let women wear whatever the fuck they want, and let them go to school without fear of some asshole killing them.
I'd also like to address this women equally as violent as men issue ... There's some truth to that, although the key issue is how aggression is defined. If we are taking aggressive impulses, verbal aggression, or so-called social aggression (e.g., gossiping, trying to ruin someone's reputation), then women are either equal to men or slightly worse, depending on the study. But almost universally, men are more physically aggressive and more likely to commit murder. Men across all cultures and regions ... The kicker is that women's rates of physically aggression do appear to be increasing. Maybe they are catching up these days ...
Nope, no anger issues. Now I'm glad you see it the way I do. All those studies are circumstantial, including the ones claiming women are 80% of DV victims.
Also, I'm glad to see you agree that an individuals personal experience is not indicative of the entire population or an entire gender or race.
I rest my case.
Where in the initial post did you see ANYTHING that was indicative about an entire gender? It was about the latent misogyny in society. It was questioning why the murder of girls doesn't arouse the same outrage that murders of other groups would. It was not a men-bashing thread. Men and women have been equally blase about it, no one was singling out men. You say you don't have anger issues, but I find it interesting that you responded in such a defensive manner to an article that didn't attack you in any way.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
Where in the initial post did you see ANYTHING that was indicative about an entire gender? It was about the latent misogyny in society. It was questioning why the murder of girls doesn't arouse the same outrage that murders of other groups would. It was not a men-bashing thread. Men and women have been equally blase about it, no one was singling out men. You say you don't have anger issues, but I find it interesting that you responded in such a defensive manner to an article that didn't attack you in any way.
Misogyny (/mɪ.ˈsɑ.ʤə.ni/) is hatred or fear of, or strong prejudice against women. The word comes from the Greek words μίσος (misos, "hatred") + γυνη (gunê, "woman"). Compared with anti-woman sexism or misandry (hatred or fear of, or strong prejudice against men), misogyny is usually regarded as directed against women by some men, though women can also hold misogynistic views. In feminist theory, misogyny is recognized as a political ideology - similar to racism or anti-Semitism - that justifies and maintains the subordination of women by men.
We aren't talking about the Klu Klux Klan here. We are talking about one crazed individual. This isn't a sign of "strong prejudice against women". Even if it were, it was isolated and the dude is fucking dead now.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I've never been able to stomach more than 15 minutes of it at a time, but its pretty apparent that calling the main characters promiscuous would be being kind.
i am sure that you're aware that sex and the city was dreamed up by a MAN. it is the perception of a MAN to show that women want to be just as free with their sexuality as men are. this show is a gross misinterpretation. the show was devised by men for men. some sort of warped attempt at sexual equality.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
i am sure that you're aware that sex and the city was dreamed up by a MAN. it is the perception of a MAN to show that women want to be just as free with their sexuality as men are. this show is a gross misinterpretation. the show was devised by men for men. some sort of warped attempt at sexual equality.
I'd like to fire that guy. Oh wait, I'm a man too. I'm supposed to be just like him.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I'd like to fire that guy. Oh wait, I'm a man too. I'm supposed to be just like him.
oh please ahnimus, don't play the wounded soul. not all men are the same. and you know it. and that's not what i meant.
but now thta i think about it perhaps darren starr's intention was to show woman that this is what they 'really want'. women secretly want to be like men. to be able to have sex with anyone they want and to sit around and discuss it.
and what happens in the final episode? it reverts back to female stereotypes.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
oh please ahnimus, don't play the wounded soul. not all men are the same. and you know it. and that's not what i meant.
but now thta i think about it perhaps darren starr's intention was to show woman that this is what they 'really want'. women secretly want to be like men. to be able to have sex with anyone they want and to sit around and discuss it.
and what happens in the final episode? it reverts back to female stereotypes.
Ok, you contradict yourself there.
I am a man and I don't have sex with anyone I want. First of all they have to want to have sex with me as well. Also, I don't particularily think it's good to sleep around. I've had sex once in the last year. So that's a stereotype inside of a stereotype. I certainly don't discuss my encounters with people.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I am a man and I don't have sex with anyone I want. First of all they have to want to have sex with me as well. Also, I don't particularily think it's good to sleep around. I've had sex once in the last year. So that's a stereotype inside of a stereotype. I certainly don't discuss my encounters with people.
i'm talking about perceptions, not reality.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Oh I see, yea TV is good for talking about perceptions and not reality.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I also don't see what some girl wearing a shit that points out her tits has to do with amish girls. Have you seen what amish women wear?
Apparently the guy left a note for his wife stating that he was getting revenge for the abuse of two family members. It wasn't clear if the family members were abused by the man or by someone else. It also wasn't clear if the abused family members were boys or girls. There is very little clear about this particular incident.
He did write in his note, to his daughter, that he was sorry he couldn't be there for her to grow up. There must have been something seriously bothering this guy, I don't think we will ever fully understand what happened.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I really can't comment on anything related to any television show, since I don't watch television. That she's a fictional character is all that I know about her, so I have no idea what sort of role model she might be.
I made my comment because you sympathized with whoever might marry her, which seemed like sort of a goofy thing to say about someone who doesn't exist.
It wasn't meant seriously. And taking my comment as anything besides intentionally goofy, is pretty goofy. And since you've never watched TV, ill let you in on a secret, sometimes the fictional characters get married.
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No she really wanted to get laid, as I understood, her husband was out of town and she was looking for a good time.
75.3 % of instances where a male was assaulted by another male
49.8 % of instances where a male was assaulted by a female
50.6 % of instances where a female was assaulted by another female
48.5 % of instances where a female was assaulted by a male.
Domestic violence is a significant problem. Measures of the incidence of violence in intimate relationships can differ markedly in their findings depending on the measures used. Survey approaches tend to show parity in the use of violence by both men and women against partners than do approaches using data from reports of domestic violence that tends to show women experiencing violence from male partners as the majority of cases (over 80%). Further discussion of this occurs in the next section on gender differences.
Research based on the survey based Conflict Tactics Scale, a measure of intrafamily conflict and violence focusing on the adults in the family developed by Murray Straus (1979) has included national U.S. surveys on the prevalence of family violence in the and other countries. These include the two U.S. National Family Violence Surveys (Straus & Gelles, 1990), the National Violence Against Women Survey (Tjaden & Thoennes, 2000), this research has tended to show men and women equally violent.
Research based on reported domestic violence or on police records show men to be responsible for the majority of domestic violence and the high frequency of women as victims.
The problem of under-reporting is believed to be substantial.
US
It is estimated that every year in the United States, approximately 3 million women are assaulted by their partner. One in four women in the U.S. will be assaulted by their partner over their lifetimes.
In 1998 in the U.S.,of the approximately 1.5 million violent crimes committed between intimate partners, over 874,000 of the victims were women, and over 832,000 were men. Of the approximately 1,830 murders committed against intimate partners in 1998, 3 out of 4 of the victims were women. In 2001 according to the United States Census Bureau there were 691,710 non-fatal domestic violence acts committed and 1,247 fatal incidents. In homes where domestic violence occurs, children in the home are at a 300% greater risk of being abused.
6-12% of women are abused in a given year
20-30% of women receiving welfare are current victims of Domestic Violence
30-65% of all homicides of women are related to Domestic Violence by their male partners
According to Respecting Accuracy in Domestic Abuse Reporting (RADAR) report:
•Women are just as likely as men to engage in partner aggression (Kelly 2003)
•Men experience over one-third of DV-related injuries (Psychological Bulletin, Vol. 126, No. 5, pages 651-680)
•Men are far less likely to report DV incidents than women (Stets and Straus 1990)
•The myths about domestic violence are numerous (Gelles 1995)
•Many of these myths are based on DV studies that use biased survey methods (Arriaga and Oskamp 1999)
The county's family judges are retrained to ignore due process in domestic violence petitions. Federal programs like Violence Against Women Act (VAWA) fund this training (Bleemer, New Jersey Law Review, 1995). 85% of these orders are issues against men (Young, Independent Women’s Forum, 2005). Family judges often issue orders of protection or restraining orders without any direct threat of harm (Heleniak, Rutgers Law Review, Spring 2005). Often these orders are widely used as "part of the gamesmanship of divorce." (Kasper, Illinois Bar Journal, June 2005 and Kiernan, New Jersey Law Journal, April 1988)
New research published in the Journal of Family Psychology says that contrary to media and public opinion women commit more acts of violence than men in eleven categories: throw something, push, grab, shove, slap, kick, bite, hit or threaten a partner with a knife or gun. The study, which is based on interviews with 1,615 married or cohabiting couples and extrapolated nationally using census data, found that 21 percent of couples reported domestic violence. The Washington Times confirms study.
Domestic violence occurs in 18% of lesbian couples in the US so it appears to be gender independent. In an effort to be more inclusive, many organizations have made an effort to use gender-neutral terms when referring to perpetratorship and victimhood.
Historically domestic violence has been seen as a family issue and little interest has been directed at violence in same-sex relationships. It has not been until recently, as the gay rights movement has brought the issues of gay and lesbian people into public attention, when research has been started to conduct on same-sex relationships. Several studies have indicated that partner abuse among same-sex couples (both female and male) is relatively similar in both prevalence and dynamics to that among opposite-sex couples [1] . Gays and lesbians, however, face special obstacles in dealing with the issues that some researchers have labelled "the double closet": not only do gay and lesbian people often feel that they are discriminated against and dismissed by police and social services, they are also often met with lack of support from their peers who would rather keep quiet about the problem in order not to attract negative attention toward the gay community. Also, the supportive services are mostly designed for the needs of heterosexual women and do not always meet the needs of other groups.
what an evil bitch. I swear women like this should be locked up.
:rolleyes:
The topic is are women being influenced to be immoral, and "sexualized' therefore relegating them to being viewed as not really important. At least as I understood it.
And I know she's a fictional character. And I think there are lots of women who probably hold up those particular 3 fictional women as models. Isnt the influence of the media on society's perception of women the topic? Or have I gone crazy? Or is this more of a " I want equal rights, but I want to not be hit and be allowed to hit" type of thread?
chapelle has such a way with words. Short, and to the point. Home run dave.
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I think it was more of a "some dude killed some girls, so let's have pity on women for being opressed" thread.
Now let's have another look at that, but I'll just move the over a bit ...
See how much different that looks?
You also emphasized the following point, which I find highly relevant:
So essentially, what this says is that women are at least as likely to throw something or give you a shove, but much less likely to kill you, correct?
I made my comment because you sympathized with whoever might marry her, which seemed like sort of a goofy thing to say about someone who doesn't exist.
Correct, another study confirms women are more likely to use psychological abuse, and yet another study shows that all physical abuse is preceded by psychological abuse.
I know from my own personal experience, my ex would psychologically abuse me all of the time. As much as I wanted to smack her around for the things she said, I didn't, even though it was defamation of my character. Eventually though, she did become violent and threaten to kill me.
So we can correlated that women probably get killed by their husbands for instigating with psychological abuse, things like defamation of character and false accusations.
I don't condone the murders at all. But we can learn that psychological abuse is damaging to a person's psyche and potentially hazardess. All in all, the studies show an equal amount of abuse. Physically, that is.
Yet, listen to them complain about Muslim women in countries like Iran being forced to cover themselves up. Double-standards man. Besides, women in Iran are only forced if they are in-fact Muslim. Jewish women living in Iran are not forced. Not that forcing is right.
For every study you find that says women instigate with psychological abuse, I could find five studies that say something different, but what would that accomplish? I really don't see this discussion going anywhere. It sounds to me like you've got some anger issues with women.
Nope, no anger issues. Now I'm glad you see it the way I do. All those studies are circumstantial, including the ones claiming women are 80% of DV victims.
Also, I'm glad to see you agree that an individuals personal experience is not indicative of the entire population or an entire gender or race.
I rest my case.
Now you're doing the overgeneralizing ... Personally, I am willing to concede that some of these school shootings involve an element of misogyny (not all, mind you), AND I think the veil is repressive. No double-standard here, let women wear whatever the fuck they want, and let them go to school without fear of some asshole killing them.
I'd also like to address this women equally as violent as men issue ... There's some truth to that, although the key issue is how aggression is defined. If we are taking aggressive impulses, verbal aggression, or so-called social aggression (e.g., gossiping, trying to ruin someone's reputation), then women are either equal to men or slightly worse, depending on the study. But almost universally, men are more physically aggressive and more likely to commit murder. Men across all cultures and regions ... The kicker is that women's rates of physically aggression do appear to be increasing. Maybe they are catching up these days ...
. . . Canada
[I had to inject a little humor.]
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Misogyny (/mɪ.ˈsɑ.ʤə.ni/) is hatred or fear of, or strong prejudice against women. The word comes from the Greek words μίσος (misos, "hatred") + γυνη (gunê, "woman"). Compared with anti-woman sexism or misandry (hatred or fear of, or strong prejudice against men), misogyny is usually regarded as directed against women by some men, though women can also hold misogynistic views. In feminist theory, misogyny is recognized as a political ideology - similar to racism or anti-Semitism - that justifies and maintains the subordination of women by men.
We aren't talking about the Klu Klux Klan here. We are talking about one crazed individual. This isn't a sign of "strong prejudice against women". Even if it were, it was isolated and the dude is fucking dead now.
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i am sure that you're aware that sex and the city was dreamed up by a MAN. it is the perception of a MAN to show that women want to be just as free with their sexuality as men are. this show is a gross misinterpretation. the show was devised by men for men. some sort of warped attempt at sexual equality.
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I'd like to fire that guy. Oh wait, I'm a man too. I'm supposed to be just like him.
oh please ahnimus, don't play the wounded soul. not all men are the same. and you know it. and that's not what i meant.
but now thta i think about it perhaps darren starr's intention was to show woman that this is what they 'really want'. women secretly want to be like men. to be able to have sex with anyone they want and to sit around and discuss it.
and what happens in the final episode? it reverts back to female stereotypes.
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Ok, you contradict yourself there.
I am a man and I don't have sex with anyone I want. First of all they have to want to have sex with me as well. Also, I don't particularily think it's good to sleep around. I've had sex once in the last year. So that's a stereotype inside of a stereotype. I certainly don't discuss my encounters with people.
i'm talking about perceptions, not reality.
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Oh I see, yea TV is good for talking about perceptions and not reality.
Apparently the guy left a note for his wife stating that he was getting revenge for the abuse of two family members. It wasn't clear if the family members were abused by the man or by someone else. It also wasn't clear if the abused family members were boys or girls. There is very little clear about this particular incident.
He did write in his note, to his daughter, that he was sorry he couldn't be there for her to grow up. There must have been something seriously bothering this guy, I don't think we will ever fully understand what happened.
It wasn't meant seriously. And taking my comment as anything besides intentionally goofy, is pretty goofy.
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that's not what i said ahnimus. nor was it my intent. i was talking about the perceptions portrayed in a particular show, not television in general.
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That man is most likely gay. So he's really a she, technically speaking.
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