Why Aren't We Shocked?

hippiemom

Will1659 wrote:

Probably repeating something that's already been said as I don't want to sort through 15 pages here, but I don't dispute that our culture is still prejudiced against women (I think misogyny might be a bit too strong of a word). However the notion that we should be more upset or have deeper discussions about this tragedy in Pennnsylvania because it was five girls rather than five boys or 3 and 2, is disgusting.

Well then, it's a good thing that no one said that!

I give up.

Hope&Anger

hippiemom wrote:

Well then, it's a good thing that no one said that!

I give up.

Yeah, I gave up for similar reasons in the thread on Affirmative Action. But wow! You put up a great fight for a lot of pages! Tip of the hat!

surferdude

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Domestic abuse is a huge issue.

I agree. I don't think the abusers are dealt with harshly enough, but the abused do have a good support system if they choose to use it. Unfortunately for men, society has not chosen to provide the same level of support services for men who are victims of violence.

VictoryGin

hippiemom wrote:

Well then, it's a good thing that no one said that!

I give up.

I know the feeling. So I guess it's time to play a song though I've already seen one in here. I've been up listening to a s-k tribute radio show, and they haven't played this yet, but it's appropriate. cheers, hippiemom:

#1 must have

bearer of the flag from the beginning
now who would have believed this riot grrrl's a cynic
but they took our ideas to their marketing stars
(everywhere you go they say "Hello")
and now I'm spending all my days at girlpower.com
("weren't you the one that sold your soul?"
trying to buy back
(every time you leave the say "Oh no")
a little piece of me
("weren't you the one that let us go?")

and I think that I sometimes might have wished
for something more than to be a size six
but now my inspiration rests
in-between my beauty magazines and
my credit card bills

I've been crawling up so long
on your stairway to heaven
and now I no longer believe that I wanna get in

and will there always be concerts where women are raped
(everywhere you go teenage is the rage)
watch me make up my mind instead of my face
(inside your pants and on the front page)
the number one must have
(everywhere you go it's die or be born)
is that we are safe
(if you can't decide then it's your own war)

and I think that I sometimes must have wished
for something more than to be a size six
but now my inspiration rests
in-between my beauty magazines and
my credit card bills

no more. no more. no more...

and for the ladies out there I wish
we could write more than the next marketing bid
culture is what we make it, yes it is
now is the time
to invent
invent

soulsinging

surferdude wrote:

I agree. I don't think the abusers are dealt with harshly enough, but the abused do have a good support system if they choose to use it. Unfortunately for men, society has not chosen to provide the same level of support services for men who are victims of violence.

but men dont choose to ask for such services. they dont even report such violence. as i recall, you're opposed to things like socialized health care and welfare aren't you? why would you then advocate that it is the government's role to force men to accept help for which they're not willing to even ask?

PJPOWER

So on the opposite side of this argument...........You can't say that women perpetrating abuse do not get off easier than men do. Let's see.......seems like there was a teacher recently that was having sex with a minor and got off scott free! A man in the same situation would be in prison, no questions asked!

eden

PJPOWER wrote:

So on the opposite side of this argument...........You can't say that women perpetrating abuse do not get off easier than men do. Let's see.......seems like there was a teacher recently that was having sex with a minor and got off scott free! A man in the same situation would be in prison, no questions asked!

The boy liked it, loved it even.
Therin lies the subtle but profound difference...what EXACTLY is a victim??
If you enjoy what is happening to you are you still a victim? I really struggle with the answer to that one sometimes.

Ahnimus

eden wrote:

The boy liked it, loved it even.
Therin lies the subtle but profound difference...what EXACTLY is a victim??
If you enjoy what is happening to you are you still a victim? I really struggle with the answer to that one sometimes.

According to the law, what the teacher did was illegal. That's all that should matter.

Will1659

Ahnimus wrote:

According to the law, what the teacher did was illegal. That's all that should matter.

Legality is the LAST thing that should matter. Not to say it's never something to consider; of course it is, but if "the law" is all you have, you're in a pretty weak position.

Ahnimus

Will1659 wrote:

Legality is the LAST thing that should matter. Not to say it's never something to consider; of course it is, but if "the law" is all you have, you're in a pretty weak position.

Huh? Why shouldn't law matter? Is every case supposed to be like O.J.?

The law is there for a reason, it's not just a barganing chip.

Will1659

I didn't say it should not matter at all; I just said it should be the last thing on your checklist. If there's no reason other than "it's the law" to think or behave a certain way, then maybe it's time to reexamine the law. There should be a good reason WHY something is illegal. Now there are plenty of reasons why, in the specific case you were talking about, what that teacher did was wrong. But your implication that the law is the first, last, and only part of that argument is what I have a problem with.

Ahnimus

Will1659 wrote:

I didn't say it should not matter at all; I just said it should be the last thing on your checklist. If there's no reason other than "it's the law" to think or behave a certain way, then maybe it's time to reexamine the law. There should be a good reason WHY something is illegal. Now there are plenty of reasons why, in the specific case you were talking about, what that teacher did was wrong. But your implication that the law is the first, last, and only part of that argument is what I have a problem with.

Oh, I completely agree with amending the laws. I personally disagree with that particular law. I fantasized like crazy about my Gym and French teachers in school. That law was the bane of my fantasies.

decides2dream

hippiemom wrote:

Well then, it's a good thing that no one said that!

I give up.

truly, thank you for trying. many of us do understand, and appreciate you bringing this article to our attention. i am glad i read it, and shared it with just about everyone who's e-mail address i have. so yea, some of us DO think at the very least...it is an important point to at least ponder/consider a while.

Ahnimus

Totally sexist.