No. It is "God and me...." in the sentence that he used.
Actually, I think Jeff is right on this one.
"God" and "Cosmo" are subject in this sentence so Cosmo should be replaced by a subject form. The subject form of the first person is "I" and the object form is "me".
e.g.
Santa brought me candy.
me = object
I brought him candy.
I = subject
So I think Jeff is right and it should be; "God and I are ..."
"God and I" doesn't work because that would be like say "I are doing..."
The subject is "God and I," therefore "God and I" is acceptable to use. When there is a preposition before it then you would say "God and me." For example, "Between God and me, there is much friendship."
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
The subject is "God and I," therefore "God and I" is acceptable to use. When there is a preposition before it then you would say "God and me." For example, "Between God and me, there is much friendship."
I think it's probably just a fucked up sentence either way.
And BTW, I think Collin's command of the language is amazing. I believe he is a non-native speaker, but you'd never know it.
yes
yes
and yes.
and...collin IS right. it is 'god and i', no matter how you arrange the sentence.
*btw - i find it endlessly amusing that a thread about atheists...pacifism...is reduced to a discussion of grammar. there's a message in here somewhere, and it's not just a grammar lesson.
and...collin IS right. it is 'god and i', no matter how you arrange the sentence.
*btw - i find it endlessly amusing that a thread about atheists...pacifism...is reduced to a discussion of grammar. there's a message in here somewhere, and it's not just a grammar lesson.
haha.
and yet...it would STILL be....'god and i.' it is all related to subject/verb agreement, no matter how you toss the words around.
well seeing as this part of the conversation is NOT philosophical, i can clearly state...i am not. however, i am far too lazt to go and give you definitive proof, but it IS true. so...look it up yourself, or continue to think i/we're wrong...but....i/we are not.
'god and i' are just fine and right, too. and so is everyone else who thinks 'god and i.' haha.
and...collin IS right. it is 'god and i', no matter how you arrange the sentence.
Jeffbr was right first.
*btw - i find it endlessly amusing that a thread about atheists...pacifism...is reduced to a discussion of grammar. there's a message in here somewhere, and it's not just a grammar lesson.
haha.
thanks for the mail, I already replied. But now I have to go.
well seeing as this part of the conversation is NOT philosophical, i can clearly state...i am not. however, i am far too lazt to go and give you definitive proof, but it IS true. so...look it up yourself, or continue to think i/we're wrong...but....i/we are not.
'god and i' are just fine and right, too. and so is everyone else who thinks 'god and i.' haha.
Really, not in that sentence. I think my re-write sounds best. 'God and I' might sound correct in the re-write, but I think 'God and me' is more correct.
Really, not in that sentence. I think my re-write sounds best. 'God and I' might sound correct in the re-write, but I think 'God and me' is more correct.
you can think whatever you like gue....but according to proper grammar, you are incorrect. tis silly to go in circles on it, for THIS...there is proof. as i said, i am far too lazy to dig it up for you, and suffice to say...i don't think you'd believe it in any case. so, c'est la vie.
tis 'god and i'...no matter HOW you slice it......there is no 'more correct' in this instance. there is correct...or incorrect, that's it.
thanks for the mail, I already replied. But now I have to go.
okey doke. seeing as i only entered this convo from your mail, i wasn't following along. the whole "why aren't atheist/christians/martians...anything"...just not my kinda debate really. who woulda thunk 'god and i' would be tho?
anyhooo.....have fun!
and i really should extricate myself from here too....but i'll get back to ya on all of it. i am a very inconsistent e-mailer, but i mean well. be happy!
Why should Atheists be pacifists? Atheists are people, and are subject to the same complexities of life as Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Branch Davidians, Gnostics, those Hale-Bopp guys, Harry Potter fans, and Beatles haters.
But I'll tell you, there isn't a book that all atheists follow that extolls the virtues of pacifism, which is why your argument doesn't exactly hold water.
ok
"Should I tell you my room is walled up? In what way might I leave it? Here is how; Goodwill knows no obstacle. Nothing can stand before a deep desire. All I have to do is imagine a door." -Schultz
you can think whatever you like gue....but according to proper grammar, you are incorrect. tis silly to go in circles on it, for THIS...there is proof. as i said, i am far too lazy to dig it up for you, and suffice to say...i don't think you'd believe it in any case. so, c'est la vie.
tis 'god and i'...no matter HOW you slice it......there is no 'more correct' in this instance. there is correct...or incorrect, that's it.
okey doke. seeing as i only entered this convo from your mail, i wasn't following along. the whole "why aren't atheist/christians/martians...anything"...just not my kinda debate really. who woulda thunk 'god and i' would be tho?
anyhooo.....have fun!
and i really should extricate myself from here too....but i'll get back to ya on all of it. i am a very inconsistent e-mailer, but i mean well. be happy!
Well, you're incorrect.
Me and my friend went to a party last night. [Wrong]
I and my friend went to a party last night.
My friend and me went to a party last night. [Wrong]
My friend and I went to a party last night.
The mayor has invited me and my husband.
The mayor has invited I and my husband. [Wrong]
The mayor has invited my husband and me.
The mayor has invited my husband and I. [Wrong]
But you have admitted to believing in murder. I never judged you for that, only asked about the inconsistency of that belief and valuing life.
Yeah, I didn't say that I believed in murder. Nowhere in my post does it say I believed in murder -- so yes, yes you did judge me...
From my first post:
Being an athiest allows you to look at things a little more objectively. In my case, my mind is not "clouded" with religion when it comes to whether a person deserves the death penalty or not.
Yeah...that's last part is rather neutral...you jumped to a conclusion...
As far as I'm concerned your posts have quite the air of superiority or distain, which is a form of hatred...so my question is: Why do Christians hate athiests when they are REQUIRED by the teachings of christ to love everyone? Ohhh....that's right...the Bible is full of intolerence, hatred, judgment, etc....
Me and my friend went to a party last night. [Wrong]
I and my friend went to a party last night.
My friend and me went to a party last night. [Wrong]
My friend and I went to a party last night.
The mayor has invited me and my husband.
The mayor has invited I and my husband. [Wrong]
The mayor has invited my husband and me.
The mayor has invited my husband and I. [Wrong]
no, i'm not. all your examples still correctly fit with the setences above. if you don't see it...oh well. i get it, but thanks. all your examples, the subject/verb agreement fits correctly, in the discussions earlier...they did not. carry on.
As far as I'm concerned your posts have quite the air of superiority or distain, which is a form of hatred...so my question is: Why do Christians hate athiests when they are REQUIRED by the teachings of christ to love everyone?
Maybe I'm just a bad example of a Christian.
Just went back through the thread from page 1 and I owe you an apology. For some reason I mxed up funkdog's posts ("murderers, low-life petty thugs, rapists, etc., they should be put to death now.") with yours. Sorry about that.
“One good thing about music,
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
no, i'm not. all your examples still correctly fit with the setences above. if you don't see it...oh well. i get it, but thanks. all your examples, the subject/verb agreement fits correctly, in the discussions earlier...they did not. carry on.
If you read all my posts on this matter, you would know that i came to the conclusion that the original sentence, either way, is not a good sentence.
so then i revised it to say,
"We are doing fine, God and me."
then you come back and say,
"you can think whatever you like gue....but according to proper grammar, you are incorrect."
and
"...it would STILL be....'god and i.' it is all related to subject/verb agreement, no matter how you toss the words around."
and
"tis 'god and i'...no matter HOW you slice it......there is no 'more correct' in this instance. there is correct...or incorrect, that's it."
why aren't Christians pacifists? Anyone remember the Sermon on the Mount?
both questions are pretty broad
"What's he saying?"
Dunno, I can't hear him"
"I think he said, Blessed are the cheesemakers"
" Cheesemakers? What's so special about the bloody cheesemakers"
"Will you be quiet, I can't hear"
"OK, bignose"
"What did you call me"
"Bignose"
"Don't you call me bignose"
"Well you have got a big nose"
etc etc until Bignose takes a wild swing at teh cheeky littel bugger, who ducks, resulting in teh bird behind getting a flat nose, and a trip down teh Mount on her arse.
" Cheesemakers? What's so special about the bloody cheesemakers"
"Will you be quiet, I can't hear"
"OK, bignose"
"What did you call me"
"Bignose"
"Don't you call me bignose"
"Well you have got a big nose"
etc etc until Bignose takes a wild swing at teh cheeky littel bugger, who ducks, resulting in teh bird behind getting a flat nose, and a trip down teh Mount on her arse.
If you read all my posts on this matter, you would know that i came to the conclusion that the original sentence, either way, is not a good sentence.
so then i revised it to say,
"We are doing fine, God and me."
then you come back and say,
"you can think whatever you like gue....but according to proper grammar, you are incorrect."
and
"...it would STILL be....'god and i.' it is all related to subject/verb agreement, no matter how you toss the words around."
and
"tis 'god and i'...no matter HOW you slice it......there is no 'more correct' in this instance. there is correct...or incorrect, that's it."
And you're still wrong.
hmmmmm, well by golly guess i wasn't paying good enough attention. you are correct, sir. *applauds*
so we were both right, and both wrong. imagine that.
i was right and you were wrong for the first, original example:
God and I are just fine.
and you were right and i was wrong for your own example:
We're just fine, God and me.
...and, neither is 'more correct'....b/c that statement i stand by, it's either correct, or incorrect....so BOTH of those, correct...just a matter of personal preference. for me, the first sentence flows better...perhaps for you the second since you decided to change it.
i say...toe-may-toe......you say toe-mah-toe.
but thanks for revisiting all our dialogue....i feel special. i guess it was just really important to you to have me say i was wrong. although i don't think i ever read you admit to be 'wrong' for arguing about the first sentence's incorrectness...which, as we know...is wrong...because it's right. whew! hahaha. anyway, so, i was wrong. hope it was satisfying for ya.
now wasn't that fun?
and....returning to the original thread topic....i think it's utterly ridiculous to expect ANY one group to all behave in any one particular way, period. however, especially for a group that has no true defining dogma beyond a non-belief in a superior being. is that REALLY enough to unify ALL those people to behave in ONE particular way? i think not.
Comments
Actually, I think Jeff is right on this one.
"God" and "Cosmo" are subject in this sentence so Cosmo should be replaced by a subject form. The subject form of the first person is "I" and the object form is "me".
e.g.
Santa brought me candy.
me = object
I brought him candy.
I = subject
So I think Jeff is right and it should be; "God and I are ..."
Or am I missing something here?
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Me and God are doing just fine.
I think the correct way is:
God and me are doing just fine.
"God and I" doesn't work because that would be like say "I are doing..."
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Hm.
We need a grammarian. I thought it was "God and I are doing ..." because "I" is the subject form.
In my opinion, "God and me are doing..." doesn't work because that would be like saying "Me is doing..."
I'm confused now.
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I are doing just fine.
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I'm going to pose this question on the AET because this has very little to do with atheists not being pacifists.
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Language is everything, everywhere.
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The subject is "God and I," therefore "God and I" is acceptable to use. When there is a preposition before it then you would say "God and me." For example, "Between God and me, there is much friendship."
-Enoch Powell
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Hail, Hail!!!
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I am...
We are...
He, She, It is...
They are...
And BTW, I think Collin's command of the language is amazing. I believe he is a non-native speaker, but you'd never know it.
I think it's probably just a fucked up sentence either way.
It sounds better like this:
We are doing fine, God and me.
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I'm talking about the sentence.
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yes
yes
and yes.
and...collin IS right. it is 'god and i', no matter how you arrange the sentence.
*btw - i find it endlessly amusing that a thread about atheists...pacifism...is reduced to a discussion of grammar. there's a message in here somewhere, and it's not just a grammar lesson.
haha.
and yet...it would STILL be....'god and i.' it is all related to subject/verb agreement, no matter how you toss the words around.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I think you're wrong.
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well seeing as this part of the conversation is NOT philosophical, i can clearly state...i am not.
'god and i' are just fine and right, too. and so is everyone else who thinks 'god and i.'
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Jeffbr was right first.
thanks for the mail, I already replied. But now I have to go.
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Really, not in that sentence. I think my re-write sounds best. 'God and I' might sound correct in the re-write, but I think 'God and me' is more correct.
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you can think whatever you like gue....but according to proper grammar, you are incorrect. tis silly to go in circles on it, for THIS...there is proof. as i said, i am far too lazy to dig it up for you, and suffice to say...i don't think you'd believe it in any case. so, c'est la vie.
tis 'god and i'...no matter HOW you slice it......there is no 'more correct' in this instance. there is correct...or incorrect, that's it.
okey doke. seeing as i only entered this convo from your mail, i wasn't following along. the whole "why aren't atheist/christians/martians...anything"...just not my kinda debate really.
anyhooo.....have fun!
and i really should extricate myself from here too....but i'll get back to ya on all of it. i am a very inconsistent e-mailer, but i mean well. be happy!
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
well, would you look at that, I'm still here.
but now I really have to go.
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why aren't Christians pacifists? Anyone remember the Sermon on the Mount?
both questions are pretty broad
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But I'll tell you, there isn't a book that all atheists follow that extolls the virtues of pacifism, which is why your argument doesn't exactly hold water.
ok
Trading stories with the leaves instead
Well, you're incorrect.
Me and my friend went to a party last night. [Wrong]
I and my friend went to a party last night.
My friend and me went to a party last night. [Wrong]
My friend and I went to a party last night.
The mayor has invited me and my husband.
The mayor has invited I and my husband. [Wrong]
The mayor has invited my husband and me.
The mayor has invited my husband and I. [Wrong]
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Yeah, I didn't say that I believed in murder. Nowhere in my post does it say I believed in murder -- so yes, yes you did judge me...
From my first post:
Being an athiest allows you to look at things a little more objectively. In my case, my mind is not "clouded" with religion when it comes to whether a person deserves the death penalty or not.
Yeah...that's last part is rather neutral...you jumped to a conclusion...
As far as I'm concerned your posts have quite the air of superiority or distain, which is a form of hatred...so my question is: Why do Christians hate athiests when they are REQUIRED by the teachings of christ to love everyone? Ohhh....that's right...the Bible is full of intolerence, hatred, judgment, etc....
"Leave your hatred on the cross...."
no, i'm not. all your examples still correctly fit with the setences above. if you don't see it...oh well. i get it, but thanks.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Just went back through the thread from page 1 and I owe you an apology. For some reason I mxed up funkdog's posts ("murderers, low-life petty thugs, rapists, etc., they should be put to death now.") with yours. Sorry about that.
when it hits you, you feel to pain.
So brutalize me with music.”
~ Bob Marley
If you read all my posts on this matter, you would know that i came to the conclusion that the original sentence, either way, is not a good sentence.
so then i revised it to say,
"We are doing fine, God and me."
then you come back and say,
"you can think whatever you like gue....but according to proper grammar, you are incorrect."
and
"...it would STILL be....'god and i.' it is all related to subject/verb agreement, no matter how you toss the words around."
and
"tis 'god and i'...no matter HOW you slice it......there is no 'more correct' in this instance. there is correct...or incorrect, that's it."
And you're still wrong.
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"What's he saying?"
Dunno, I can't hear him"
"I think he said, Blessed are the cheesemakers"
" Cheesemakers? What's so special about the bloody cheesemakers"
"Will you be quiet, I can't hear"
"OK, bignose"
"What did you call me"
"Bignose"
"Don't you call me bignose"
"Well you have got a big nose"
etc etc until Bignose takes a wild swing at teh cheeky littel bugger, who ducks, resulting in teh bird behind getting a flat nose, and a trip down teh Mount on her arse.
hey! you're stealing my shtick.
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hmmmmm, well by golly guess i wasn't paying good enough attention. you are correct, sir. *applauds*
so we were both right, and both wrong. imagine that.
i was right and you were wrong for the first, original example:
God and I are just fine.
and you were right and i was wrong for your own example:
We're just fine, God and me.
...and, neither is 'more correct'....b/c that statement i stand by, it's either correct, or incorrect....so BOTH of those, correct...just a matter of personal preference. for me, the first sentence flows better...perhaps for you the second since you decided to change it.
i say...toe-may-toe......you say toe-mah-toe.
but thanks for revisiting all our dialogue....i feel special. i guess it was just really important to you to have me say i was wrong. although i don't think i ever read you admit to be 'wrong' for arguing about the first sentence's incorrectness...which, as we know...is wrong...because it's right. whew! hahaha. anyway, so, i was wrong. hope it was satisfying for ya.
now wasn't that fun?
and....returning to the original thread topic....i think it's utterly ridiculous to expect ANY one group to all behave in any one particular way, period. however, especially for a group that has no true defining dogma beyond a non-belief in a superior being. is that REALLY enough to unify ALL those people to behave in ONE particular way? i think not.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow