Why Aren't Atheists Pacifists?

CorporateWhore

Cosmo wrote:

I believe the answer is morality comes from your humanity.

The natural question being...

Where does your humanity come from?

I believe humanity comes from the creator, the originator of all love.

Cosmo

CorporateWhore wrote:

The natural question being...

Where does your humanity come from?

I believe humanity comes from the creator, the originator of all love.

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To be honest with you... I don't know. Just as I don't know where love comes from. But, just because I don't know their origins, doesn't mean they don't exist.
All I do know for sure is that I only get one shot at this life. I'm not going to waste it trying to convince someone else that I'm right and they are wrong. I'm just going to try to make my way and let them choose theirs.

deadnothingbetter

Jeremy1012 wrote:

What a startlingly arrogant statement.

For a CHRISTIAN, true love is God. Please don't apply your sanctimonious patronising rhetoric to me. The less narrow-minded atheists such as myself, who accept that they don't know everything but still don't believe in God, are just a capable of finding true love in earthly things. We aren't all cold, scientific Dawkins-wannabes you know.

I am Jamie.
I am an atheist, as I regard atheism as disbelief in an omniscient, omnipotent, interventionist God.
I don't believe physics can answer all the words questions.
I believe in love and I don't believe emotions are merely chemical reactions in our bodies.
I care very deeply about the people that I love. I consider myself essentially as a pacifist. I would, however, fight to the death for the people I love.
I consider myself a spiritual person and don't believe that atheism and spirituality are exclusive.
I like art and poetry and find myself staring at the sunset and wondering how things like that happen.
And yet, I will never believe in God with a capital G.

i'm kinda surprised that an atheist would believe in spiritual things.... i'm also kinda surprised that an atheist would agree that they might be wrong and don't have all the answers. i always get atheists who are merely convinced that there's absolutely as a matter of fact no God. would you consider yourself an agnostic rather than an atheist? and how do you rationalize that emotions are not merely chemicals in our bodies?

cornnifer

CorporateWhore wrote:

The natural question being...

Where does your humanity come from?

I believe humanity comes from the creator, the originator of all love.

Dude,
1 peter 3:15

15"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,"

in other words, be prepared to share your faith with all who ask, but don't beat folks about the head with it or in other ways be a dick about it. You are coming across as self righteous and holier than thou. Easy, tiger

deadnothingbetter

cornnifer wrote:

Dude,
1 peter 3:15

15"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,"

in other words, be prepared to share your faith with all who ask, but don't beat folks about the head with it or in other ways be a dick about it. You are coming across as self righteous and holier than thou. Easy, tiger

actually, i kinda have seen you make responses that make you sound kinda like a dick.... in all honesty, so have i.

cornnifer

deadnothingbetter wrote:

actually, i kinda have seen you make responses that make you sound kinda like a dick.... in all honesty, so have i.

i try my best not to. i like to think i remain respectful most of the time. i'm also sure i sometimes fail.

CorporateWhore

Cosmo wrote:

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To be honest with you... I don't know. Just as I don't know where love comes from. But, just because I don't know their origins, doesn't mean they don't exist.
All I do know for sure is that I only get one shot at this life. I'm not going to waste it trying to convince someone else that I'm right and they are wrong. I'm just going to try to make my way and let them choose theirs.

What if they don't know the way and they seek guidance?

You need to offer them something.

CorporateWhore

cornnifer wrote:

Dude,
1 peter 3:15

15"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,"

in other words, be prepared to share your faith with all who ask, but don't beat folks about the head with it or in other ways be a dick about it. You are coming across as self righteous and holier than thou. Easy, tiger

Gee golly, Mary Jane!

Cosmo

cornnifer wrote:

Dude,
1 peter 3:15

15"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,"

in other words, be prepared to share your faith with all who ask, but don't beat folks about the head with it or in other ways be a dick about it. You are coming across as self righteous and holier than thou. Easy, tiger

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I believe that is what all of us heathen/non-believers want from Christians... give us your views and be done with it. All this trying to convince us... to freighten us with talk of lakes of fire... to condemn us to HELL... well, it makes you look like assholes.
Most people are for hope and faith... most people believe there is something greater than ourselves. Whether we call it your god or the other guy's god or nature or whatever... or if you believe that nothing else exists for us... it's not that big a deal. Your faith should be strong enough within you to carry you... you really don't need to convince me or anyone else about it. It's yours and it works for you... just like what's mine works for me.
God did not create religion... Man did. We can all find a path to God, even without following the man-made paved roads. All we got to do is seek.

deadnothingbetter

Cosmo wrote:

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I believe that is what all of us heathen/non-believers want from Christians... give us your views and be done with it. All this trying to convince us... to freighten us with talk of lakes of fire... to condemn us to HELL... well, it makes you look like assholes.
Most people are for hope and faith... most people believe there is something greater than ourselves. Whether we call it your god or the other guy's god or nature or whatever... or if you believe that nothing else exists for us... it's not that big a deal. Your faith should be strong enough within you to carry you... you really don't need to convince me or anyone else about it. It's yours and it works for you... just like what's mine works for me.
God did not create religion... Man did. We can all find a path to God, even without following the man-made paved roads. All we got to do is seek.

true. i think that's what i've said here many, many times. people ask, i answer. but sometimes my answers don't seem to fit their desires so sometimes they start arguing. as you've done so a few times with me. but other than that, i'm basically trying to do the same thing you say. i'm with you here dude.

deadnothingbetter

CorporateWhore wrote:

Gee golly, Mary Jane!

huh?

Cosmo

CorporateWhore wrote:

What if they don't know the way and they seek guidance?

You need to offer them something.

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Well... I did that already. To me... the Guides were basically full of shit and followed a well scripted line of crap. I tried... a couple of three or four times... I really did... but, no... not for me.
That's why I figured, I need to find God in my own way. The ones I've already asked for directions have lead me to the same dead end. I believe God wants me to find Him... eventually. I just think He wants me to make new discoveries along the way.

CorporateWhore

cornnifer wrote:

Dude,
1 peter 3:15

15"But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,"

in other words, be prepared to share your faith with all who ask, but don't beat folks about the head with it or in other ways be a dick about it. You are coming across as self righteous and holier than thou. Easy, tiger

Gentleness and respect, yes, but this was no reason to be silent. No one is coming off self-righteous or holier than thou except for the guy who misuses scripture to further secular humanist ends. That's the desecration.

Peter and the apostles were martyred (except for John) for the Gospel. They did not go gently into that good night. They brazenly preached to the Sanhedrin.

These were not hippies. By gentleness and respect, they meant that you would not spread your faith by the point of a sword. Peter was talking to the early oppressed christian community in that scripture, if you cared to include the context.

They would indicate that they were Christians in public so they could be executed as martyrs. What is "gentle" about that?

I don't come off nearly as self-righteous as Peter does, don't you think?

Rushlimbo

CorporateWhore wrote:

They would indicate that they were Christians in public so they could be executed as martyrs. What is "gentle" about that?

**GASP** A suicide mission ?????? I thought the terrorists were heathens for committing suicide for their religion?

CorporateWhore

Rushlimbo wrote:

**GASP** A suicide mission ?????? I thought the terrorists were heathens for committing suicide for their religion?

If by "committing suicide for their religion" you mean saying "I'm a Christian" and then being burned alive by pagans, well yes. Martyrdom. Not blowing yourself up in a crowded restaurant.

I haven't heard about Muslims doing that, but perhaps you can inform the debate on some level besides the vapid or anecdotal.

deadnothingbetter

CorporateWhore wrote:

If by "committing suicide for their religion" you mean saying "I'm a Christian" and then being burned alive by pagans, well yes. Martyrdom. Not blowing yourself up in a crowded restaurant.

I haven't heard about Muslims doing that, but perhaps you can inform the debate on some level besides the vapid or anecdotal.

it's the way you phrased it. you made it sound like christians voluntarily spoke about their beliefs so they could willingly be martyred. like a person that willingly walks onto oncoming traffic.

blackredyellow

CorporateWhore wrote:

If by "committing suicide for their religion" you mean saying "I'm a Christian" and then being burned alive by pagans, well yes. Martyrdom.

Like christians did to witches?

deadnothingbetter

blackredyellow wrote:

Like christians did to witches?

yeah, puritans. but the quakers were the main propogators for abolishing slavery.

CorporateWhore

blackredyellow wrote:

Like christians did to witches?

It's easy to toss out accusations when you belong to nothing except yourself. A common thread in all of liberalism. "I Am Mine" sounds good but when you cast off any traditional ties, that's when you really lose your identity.

You're just an example of liberalism's suicide of western culture.

Liberals purposely demonize western culture so they can uproot it. Somehow, Christianity is no longer righteous because a few "witches" were burned alive 500 years ago, "so why don't we just get rid of religion altogether!" is their obvious solution. That is why their beliefs are suicidal for a nation.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

CorporateWhore wrote:

It's easy to toss out accusations when you belong to nothing except yourself. A common thread in all of liberalism. "I Am Mine" sounds good but when you cast off any traditional ties, that's when you really lose your identity.

You're just an example of liberalism's suicide of western culture.

Liberals purposely demonize western culture so they can uproot it. Somehow, Christianity is no longer righteous because a few "witches" were burned alive 500 years ago, "so why don't we just get rid of religion altogether!" is their obvious solution. That is why their beliefs are suicidal for a nation.

Oh this is good. I feel like I'm watching Fox.

Look at your constitution...what's left of it.