A - instead of spending x billion dollars securing the freedom of Iraqis (read: invading Iraq for oil), they could educate and empower the poorest 10 percent of Americans. This alone would do wonders. I have no statistics but I would bet the poorest 10 percent of America is responsible for 90 percent of violent crime. Make life better for the weakest link, and the chain as a whole becomes stronger.
B - get guns off the street. Through financial incentive or tax incentive or cash for guns or whatever.
C - Increased sentences for violent crimes or crimes where weapons are involved. Use Singapore as an example if you need a visualization. The current justice system in America is one of the biggest jokes in history.
D - Tax and tariff the HELL out of importers. So much of American unemployment (which is related to poverty and violence) is because many of your jobs for the least educated sector of workers are in....Mexico? China? Japan? India? HELLO PEOPLE WAKE THE FUCK UP. If an American company cannot find a business model that supports Americans, then they can go belly up and make room for a competitor that can.
Need I continue? ...because I can if you want.
trying to make sense...if we spent money on helping the poor how the hell is Halliburton and all the weapons companies going to make a profit...your sooo freakin selfish.
We already provide publicly funded education for not only the poorest 10 percent, but for every American. Nobody is denied a public education based on income level.
the quality of public education is directly linked to the economic status of its students. Seen an intercity school lately?????
all of the above with the exception of a gun were not designed to kill other human beings...
you're last line is telling as it shows that anything used improperly can be a killing machine... but the gun is the only thing when used properly is a killing machine... your comparison are therefore night and day, apples and oranges, etc etc.. ie nonsensical
still harping on something that can't be changed are we? unreasonable prices or taxes is infringement. which; as the aforementioned ruling proves; is unconstitutional. making it overly difficult for a citizen to obtain a gun is infringement.
a knife is much more efficient at killing than a gun. more people die from stabbings than gunshots. this is a per capita stat. a bullet has to hit a vital organ or artery to be lethal. a knife wound only has to cause excessive bleeding to be fatal. a knife wound is much harder to repair. especially in a timely manner. a bullets speed causes heat which carterizes the wound stopping bleeding. the exception being hollow points. properly used golf balls have caused deaths on many golf courses.
i know you'd feel much better if these people were killed by means other than a gun. the truth is; banning guns will not reduce the number of criminals. they will use illegal guns as they are currently doing.
try to change the things you can and accept the things you can't change. our rights will not be infringed and we have the guns to back it.
a bullet has to hit a vital organ or artery to be lethal. a knife wound only has to cause excessive bleeding to be fatal.
So how come you use a gun to protect yourself and not a knife?
One bullet might be less harmful than one stab wound but how about a bunch of bullets, because you and other gun owners here said you don't fire one bullet you fire all of them and aim at center mass, you'd have to be real lucky not to get an organ.
If a guy came to me wanting to stab me I could disarm him in a few seconds, I cannot disarm a guy who's standing 9 feet away.
So how come you use a gun to protect yourself and not a knife?
One bullet might be less harmful than one stab wound but how about a bunch of bullets, because you and other gun owners here said you don't fire one bullet you fire all of them and aim at center mass, you'd have to be real lucky not to get an organ.
If a guy came to me wanting to stab me I could disarm him in a few seconds, I cannot disarm a guy who's standing 9 feet away.
i've never shot more than once at anything. why not visit a VA hospital and see how many have had several bullet wounds. some as many as 20. a criminal will not stand 9 feet away. unless he's got 8 foot arms to grab your wallet. you can run away at 9 feet. if he would shoot you running away he was going to kill you no matter what. it's also easier to disarm someone with a gun. disarming someone with a knife causes you to cut up your hands. cut the muscle by your thumb and your hands are useless.
i shoot the head. there's almost no chance of a reflex shot from the attacker. when holding someone i aim at the pelvis which would bring someone right down.
i've never shot more than once at anything. why not visit a VA hospital and see how many have had several bullet wounds. some as many as 20.
So what? Some people survive 20 stabs wounds, that doesn't prove a thing.
a criminal will not stand 9 feet away. unless he's got 8 foot arms to grab your wallet. you can run away at 9 feet. if he would shoot you running away he was going to kill you no matter what.
I'd just give them my wallet, then. But you were talking about killing, that also includes killing from a distance, that's the whole point.
it's also easier to disarm someone with a gun. disarming someone with a knife causes you to cut up your hands. cut the muscle by your thumb and your hands are useless.
I know how to disarm a person with a knife.
i shoot the head. there's almost no chance of a reflex shot from the attacker. when holding someone i aim at the pelvis which would bring someone right down.
if it becomes necessary to kill someone; yes. it's painless to them and safer for me. the attacker isn't falling to the ground trying to shoot back. the head and pelvis are also not protected by body armour.
if it becomes necessary to kill someone; yes. it's painless to them and safer for me. the attacker isn't falling to the ground trying to shoot back. the head and pelvis are also not protected by body armour.
So the reason for preferring a gun over a knife doesn't really have anything to do with not wanting to kill anyone.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
So the reason for preferring a gun over a knife doesn't really have anything to do with not wanting to kill anyone.
when someone uses a gun for self defence; they stay abreast of the subject. when a criminal is faced with an armed victim; they usually run and no shots are fired. the criminal is caught off guard and confused. someone trained in self defence knows to use these seconds of confusion to take control of the situation. a trained person is also aware of their surroundings. i will notice a suspicous person and avoid them. unlike someone chatting on a cell phone. when someone decides to obtain a permit to carry; they are not only trained how to use the weapon; but also how not to need to use it.
We already provide publicly funded education for not only the poorest 10 percent, but for every American. Nobody is denied a public education based on income level.
Including post-secondary education.
I've never seen evidence that this would work. I know that Australia spent half a BILLION dollars getting 600,000 weapons off the street with no effect on the crime rate. For many people, financial incentive won't work with a gun buyback. No way you can get all of the guns off of the street without a high level of government coersion. And only the law-abiding citizens will be giving up their guns. This wouldn't address the criminal element at all.
It's not a total solution, it's simply one piece of the puzzle. This alone will not fix anything, I agree.
Taxes and tariffs will only result in cost increases of products here. That will also negatively impact the poor. Why are we losing jobs overseas? Look at auto workers and their unions for a prime example. Same thing with textile workers.
If implemented properly, it should allow US based competitors to come in at a lower price for equal goods...keeping the economy strong in america. The bigger issue why this wouldn't work is because America is also an exporter and countries wouldn't appreciate this. But still, jobs in america are being outsourced to countries with poorer standards every day. It is one of America's downfalls.
I believe you can. But so far I remain unconvinced that the government can achieve what you think it can.[/quote]
Of course there's a parenting problem.........what's your point?
when i was a kid we were taught that we had to answer to God; thus we were good. kids today believe that when they die; it's over; so they have nothing to loose.
if i didn't think i had to answer for my actions; i would have been wild as hell. i can name 3 people i would have gladly killed if i didn't think i'd have to answer for it. and don't tell me the law. i would have used a high power rifle and shot from about 200 yards. i also know how to lap a barrel and change the rifling so ballistics couldn't be matched.
when i was a kid we were taught that we had to answer to God; thus we were good. kids today believe that when they die; it's over; so they have nothing to loose.
if i didn't think i had to answer for my actions; i would have been wild as hell. i can name 3 people i would have gladly killed if i didn't think i'd have to answer for it. and don't tell me the law. i would have used a high power rifle and shot from about 200 yards. i also know how to lap a barrel and change the rifling so ballistics couldn't be matched.
see I knew from the beginning that God was a fairy tale...and I didn't go wild....soooo I'm sooooo glad your a believer.
I wish everyone had guns...we could all walk around doing rad gun things and be like all cool and shit...
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
in areas where everyone is armed; you never see a gun. an armed society is a polite society.
In an armed society when things go wrong people die. Unarmed society...bump on head, black eye.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yeah...imagine if they all had guns in that frame of mind.
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
Yeah...imagine if they all had guns in that frame of mind.
You're right. Nobody had guns. Not even the guys who robbed my friends. The government protected them though. They took about four minutes to write up a report.
In an armed society when things go wrong people die. Unarmed society...bump on head, black eye.
history proves this isn't true. i live in an armed society and the thought that the other person may be 1 second faster keeps everyone from drawing a gun.
history proves this isn't true. i live in an armed society and the thought that the other person may be 1 second faster keeps everyone from drawing a gun.
I thought the gun death statistics show that society owning guns leads to more people getting shot by them. Seems pretty cause and effect to me. Wasn't there a study done on this?
People tend to get angry and irrational with or without owning a gun. If my neighbor went totally psycho nuts one day I would be telling myself hmm I hope he does not have access to a gun.
I think gun nuts are exactly that...fucking nuts!
Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
The other thing you can do is not carry anything of substantial wealth and submit. Offer your attacker your wallet and advise them to have fun with the bank card (lol). Carry little or minimal cash. Someone steals your wallet? oh well.
I personally hate cash as it is. Makes the wallet too thick and change is heavy.
I thought the gun death statistics show that society owning guns leads to more people getting shot by them. Seems pretty cause and effect to me. Wasn't there a study done on this?
People tend to get angry and irrational with or without owning a gun. If my neighbor went totally psycho nuts one day I would be telling myself hmm I hope he does not have access to a gun.
I think gun nuts are exactly that...fucking nuts!
You can have a big gun banning ceremony and people will still rob others at gunpoint. It's easier to let the government pay your way while you take from others than to actually have a job and go to work every day.
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trying to make sense...if we spent money on helping the poor how the hell is Halliburton and all the weapons companies going to make a profit...your sooo freakin selfish.
the quality of public education is directly linked to the economic status of its students. Seen an intercity school lately?????
still harping on something that can't be changed are we? unreasonable prices or taxes is infringement. which; as the aforementioned ruling proves; is unconstitutional. making it overly difficult for a citizen to obtain a gun is infringement.
a knife is much more efficient at killing than a gun. more people die from stabbings than gunshots. this is a per capita stat. a bullet has to hit a vital organ or artery to be lethal. a knife wound only has to cause excessive bleeding to be fatal. a knife wound is much harder to repair. especially in a timely manner. a bullets speed causes heat which carterizes the wound stopping bleeding. the exception being hollow points. properly used golf balls have caused deaths on many golf courses.
i know you'd feel much better if these people were killed by means other than a gun. the truth is; banning guns will not reduce the number of criminals. they will use illegal guns as they are currently doing.
try to change the things you can and accept the things you can't change. our rights will not be infringed and we have the guns to back it.
So how come you use a gun to protect yourself and not a knife?
One bullet might be less harmful than one stab wound but how about a bunch of bullets, because you and other gun owners here said you don't fire one bullet you fire all of them and aim at center mass, you'd have to be real lucky not to get an organ.
If a guy came to me wanting to stab me I could disarm him in a few seconds, I cannot disarm a guy who's standing 9 feet away.
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i've never shot more than once at anything. why not visit a VA hospital and see how many have had several bullet wounds. some as many as 20. a criminal will not stand 9 feet away. unless he's got 8 foot arms to grab your wallet. you can run away at 9 feet. if he would shoot you running away he was going to kill you no matter what. it's also easier to disarm someone with a gun. disarming someone with a knife causes you to cut up your hands. cut the muscle by your thumb and your hands are useless.
i shoot the head. there's almost no chance of a reflex shot from the attacker. when holding someone i aim at the pelvis which would bring someone right down.
because i'd rather not kill the attacker if i don't have to.
So what? Some people survive 20 stabs wounds, that doesn't prove a thing.
I'd just give them my wallet, then. But you were talking about killing, that also includes killing from a distance, that's the whole point.
I know how to disarm a person with a knife.
So you shoot the head?
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if it becomes necessary to kill someone; yes. it's painless to them and safer for me. the attacker isn't falling to the ground trying to shoot back. the head and pelvis are also not protected by body armour.
when someone uses a gun for self defence; they stay abreast of the subject. when a criminal is faced with an armed victim; they usually run and no shots are fired. the criminal is caught off guard and confused. someone trained in self defence knows to use these seconds of confusion to take control of the situation. a trained person is also aware of their surroundings. i will notice a suspicous person and avoid them. unlike someone chatting on a cell phone. when someone decides to obtain a permit to carry; they are not only trained how to use the weapon; but also how not to need to use it.
It's not a total solution, it's simply one piece of the puzzle. This alone will not fix anything, I agree.
If implemented properly, it should allow US based competitors to come in at a lower price for equal goods...keeping the economy strong in america. The bigger issue why this wouldn't work is because America is also an exporter and countries wouldn't appreciate this. But still, jobs in america are being outsourced to countries with poorer standards every day. It is one of America's downfalls.
I believe you can. But so far I remain unconvinced that the government can achieve what you think it can.[/quote]
If not them, then who? Change is necessary.
when i was a kid we were taught that we had to answer to God; thus we were good. kids today believe that when they die; it's over; so they have nothing to loose.
if i didn't think i had to answer for my actions; i would have been wild as hell. i can name 3 people i would have gladly killed if i didn't think i'd have to answer for it. and don't tell me the law. i would have used a high power rifle and shot from about 200 yards. i also know how to lap a barrel and change the rifling so ballistics couldn't be matched.
see I knew from the beginning that God was a fairy tale...and I didn't go wild....soooo I'm sooooo glad your a believer.
obviously it doesn't apply to everyone.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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in areas where everyone is armed; you never see a gun. an armed society is a polite society.
In an armed society when things go wrong people die. Unarmed society...bump on head, black eye.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
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DC was unarmed. People still died.
Thank you. You're right.
Yeah...imagine if they all had guns in that frame of mind.
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
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( o.O)
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You're right. Nobody had guns. Not even the guys who robbed my friends. The government protected them though. They took about four minutes to write up a report.
history proves this isn't true. i live in an armed society and the thought that the other person may be 1 second faster keeps everyone from drawing a gun.
crime is always higher where there are unarmed victims. i believe it's called "easy pickins".
I thought the gun death statistics show that society owning guns leads to more people getting shot by them. Seems pretty cause and effect to me. Wasn't there a study done on this?
People tend to get angry and irrational with or without owning a gun. If my neighbor went totally psycho nuts one day I would be telling myself hmm I hope he does not have access to a gun.
I think gun nuts are exactly that...fucking nuts!
and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
over specific principles, goals, and policies.
http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg
(\__/)
( o.O)
(")_(")
I personally hate cash as it is. Makes the wallet too thick and change is heavy.
You can have a big gun banning ceremony and people will still rob others at gunpoint. It's easier to let the government pay your way while you take from others than to actually have a job and go to work every day.