D.C. Gun Ban Ruled Unconstitutional!

dunkman

onelongsong wrote:

16,000 compared to a population over 301,000,000 is quite a low percentage.

its still at least 5 times higher than all the next 25 industrialised nations combined.... per capita... ok its low in the grand scheme of things but tell that to the parent of a kid who has no face.

the difference between the US and the next 25 nations in the world is, yup, you have a flimsy almost unmanaged gun registration system... the other countries have some stricter controls.

dunkman

onelongsong wrote:

WHAT? our courts upheld our right. however; we can compare those wanting to remove those rights with hitler reasoning and mentality.

i cant believe you're equating the registration of guns in the US to ensure safer control in the worlds leading democracy to that of a depression era right wing Germany.... its laughable

onelongsong

dunkman wrote:

its still at least 5 times higher than all the next 25 industrialised nations combined.... per capita... ok its low in the grand scheme of things but tell that to the parent of a kid who has no face.

the difference between the US and the next 25 nations in the world is, yup, you have a flimsy almost unmanaged gun registration system... the other countries have some stricter controls.

you haven't provided any evidence whatsoever that any child has been killed with a firearm. only child deaths which are mostly caused by drunk drivers and alcoholic or drug addicted parents.

onelongsong

dunkman wrote:

i cant believe you're equating the registration of guns in the US to ensure safer control in the worlds leading democracy to that of a depression era right wing Germany.... its laughable

safer control of what?

dunkman

onelongsong wrote:

you haven't provided any evidence whatsoever that any child has been killed with a firearm. only child deaths which are mostly caused by drunk drivers and alcoholic or drug addicted parents.

didnt you read the link or what i posted

firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined

now that may not be shocking to you as its still a low figure... but it shocks me that kids die as a result of gun negligence... it also shocks me that its 12 times higher than that of the other nations COMBINED!! dont you agree that the figures are disturbing?

also its not some weird anti-gun website that one (like the NRA or gunsdontkill.com) its a US government dept I believe (i'll be happy to rescind that if i'm wrong however)

dunkman

onelongsong wrote:

safer control of what?

the aforementioned guns.. it was in the sentence dude.. it was clear what i meant.

Byrnzie

onelongsong wrote:

i noticed that. you have tunnel vision on our second ammendment even though it doesn't effect you in any way. it makes me wonder why you don't want americans to be able to protect their rights. if the iraqi's could've defended their rights against hussain; there wouldn't be a war right now trying to win their freedom back. if the german people could have defended their rights when hitler went overboard; there wouldn't have been WWII. if europe could have defended itself america wouldn't have had to step in. but it was alright to restore europeans freedom but it's wrong to help the iraqis attain freedom.

Someone needs to help the Iraqi's attain their freedom from America.

onelongsong

dunkman wrote:

the aforementioned guns.. it was in the sentence dude.. it was clear what i meant.

????? i think we need more control of criminals. when you get the criminals to register let me know. i'll register then.

onelongsong

Byrnzie wrote:

Someone needs to help the Iraqi's attain their freedom from America.

i thought there was other countries helping free the iraqis too??? the uk being one of them.

RolandTD20Kdrummer

What would Rambo do?

Collin

zstillings wrote:

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/article-nazilaw.pdf

Thanks for this link. Very interesting read.

onelongsong wrote:

hitler had to disarm germany in order to become a dictator

I think it's interesting you contradict yourself, at least in my opinion. You've mentioned several times that a gun ban (which I wouldn't support by the way) would only punish the law abiding citizens, the criminals would still be able to buy their guns on the black market.
You say a total gun ban would leave you (the law abiding citizens) powerless against the government, yet guns would be readily available on the black market, you have guns stored the authorities would never find and I imagine you're not the only one. You said there are plenty of 'secret militias' with enough firepower to stop the government.

69charger

dunkman wrote:

didnt you read the link or what i posted

firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined

now that may not be shocking to you as its still a low figure... but it shocks me that kids die as a result of gun negligence... it also shocks me that its 12 times higher than that of the other nations COMBINED!! dont you agree that the figures are disturbing?

also its not some weird anti-gun website that one (like the NRA or gunsdontkill.com) its a US government dept I believe (i'll be happy to rescind that if i'm wrong however)

957 kids killed compared to the millions of people who's lives have been saved by defensive use of firearms every year.

I still fail to see the logic behind wanting 'stricter' gun laws or an outright ban.

Collin

69charger wrote:

957 kids killed compared to the millions of people who's lives have been saved by defensive use of firearms every year.

Any stats? Any proof they would have been dead otherwise?

You fail to see the logic?

Here:

firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children; 957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States.

The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined

dunkman

69charger wrote:

957 kids killed compared to the millions of people who's lives have been saved by defensive use of firearms every year.

I still fail to see the logic behind wanting 'stricter' gun laws or an outright ban.

thats subjective and has no proof whatsoever.... its akin to sayng dropping the bomb on hiroshima saved millions of americans lives... no-one can prove that at all... whereas the corpse of a dead kid is solid evidence rather than guessing number of lives saved

and you only fail to see the logic because you dont want to admit the logic... i.e. The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries combined

its shameful that you think thats an ok statistic....

Byrnzie

RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:

What would Rambo do?

Mousa: This is Afghanistan... Alexander the Great try to conquer this country... then Genghis Khan, then the British. Now Russia. But Afghan people fight hard, they never be defeated. Ancient enemy make prayer about these people... you wish to hear?
Rambo: Um-hum.
Mousa: Very good. It says, 'May God deliver us from the venom of the Cobra, teeth of the tiger, and the vengeance of the Afghan.' Understand what this means?
Rambo: That you guys don't take any shit?
Mousa: Yes... something like this.

innane

hmmmm

it is very very strange to see a nation of people debating whether they are allowed to own guns...i mean.. A FUCKING GUN???......

but i guess as an aussie ill never understand the fascination.....we had a government buy back of guns here back when we had a massacre....it was for the better.....i cant remember the last time a mass shooting happened...

ahh u yanks.......why do u want your guns.......i guess u feel so manly WHEN AAAAAAAARRRRRRRMMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDDDD

ps i said yank in an affectionate way

69charger

Collin wrote:

Any stats?

"1.5 million defensive users"

http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476.txt

Outlaw the automobile first. Kills more children per year.

dunkman

69charger wrote:

"1.5 million defensive users"

http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476.txt

Outlaw the automobile first. Kills more children per year.

interestingly from that very link you have provided:-

o About 211,000 handguns and 382,000 long guns were
stolen in noncommercial thefts in 1994.

wow!!!! thats a lot of illegal guns on the streets... just shows that gun keepers arent doing their best to look after them



o Slightly more than half of all privately owned
firearms were stored unlocked; 16 percent of
firearms were stored unlocked and loaded.

again thats a shocking stat, stored unlocked!!!! no wonder kids are shooting each other pretending to be cowboys


o Evidence suggests that this survey and others
like it overestimate the frequency with which
firearms were used by private citizens to defend
against criminal attack.

and i rest my case!

dunkman

again from the same site:-

For example, in only a small fraction of rape and
robbery attempts do victims use guns in
self-defense. It does not make sense, then, that
the NSPOF estimate of the number of rapes in which
a woman defended herself with a gun was more than
the total number of rapes estimated from NCVS
(exhibit 8).

also


Gun storage. Of 1,356 accidental deaths by gunshot in 1994, 185 involved children 14 years old and younger.[11] For each such fatality, there are several accidental shootings that cause serious injury. Guns were also the means of destruction in 19,590 suicides, 210 involving children 14 or younger. For these reasons, safe handling and storage of firearms have attracted the attention of the public health community.

We found that 20 percent of all gun-owning households had an unlocked, loaded gun in the home at the time of the survey. This figure was substantially higher among handgun-owning households than among households with long guns only--30 percent versus 7 percent.

Slightly more than half of firearms of either type were stored unlocked, but handguns were much more likely to be loaded. Reflecting their predominant
use in self-defense, handguns were likely to be stored in bedrooms or vehicles of owners or even on their person, while most long guns were kept in gun closets or other out-of-the-way places (exhibit 6).

Although training programs usually include suggestions on how to store guns safely, it does not appear that trainees are paying attention. More
than half (56 percent) of owners had received some form of "formal" training from the military, law enforcement, National Rifle Association, National Safety Council, or other source. As a group, owners who received such training were no less likely than others to keep guns loaded and unlocked. This
surprising result is consistent with other recent studies.[12]

Collin

69charger wrote:

"1.5 million defensive users"

http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476.txt

Did you even read it, if you did I really can't understand why you posted it. I suggest you read it before you post it.

Besides it's about 1994, this is 2007.

Outlaw the automobile first. Kills more children per year.

When they design a car that is meant to kill, we'll talk. And I never spoke of outlawing.