Obamania Officially Kicks Off Tomorrow

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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Last Exodus wrote:
    make terrible presidents...

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    Our greatest president ever.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    hippiemom wrote:
    Our greatest president ever.

    I like TR, polk, and lincoln...but FDR was agreat presdident. can't argue here.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    I like TR, polk, and lincoln...but FDR was agreat presdident. can't argue here.
    I don't know much about Polk (my curiosity is aroused, however, and I think I'll go do some reading), but I'm with ya on TR and Lincoln.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    hippiemom wrote:
    I don't know much about Polk (my curiosity is aroused, however, and I think I'll go do some reading), but I'm with ya on TR and Lincoln.

    TR is my boy...:) a progressive capitaliist. reasoned debate free of paranoia....we can use that these days
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,889
    ledvedderman wrote:
    Dear Hillary, John, and Joe -- please do the country a favor and bow out now

    Don't like competition?

    But your right nonetheless, it would be a tremendous favor to America if those jackasses bowed out.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    TR is my boy...:) a progressive capitaliist. reasoned debate free of paranoia....we can use that these days
    People named Roosevelt certainly do make outstanding presidents! I don't agree with everything either of them did (I'm sure it's impossible to find a public figure that you agree with on everything), but they both definitely had an overall positive effect on the country, and left it better than they found it. It's been a depressingly long time since we had a president I could say that about. Kennedy might have done it with more time, but we'll never know. There hasn't been one in my lifetime.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,889
    hippiemom wrote:
    Our greatest president ever.


    I'm not surprised that you think so.

    I could care less if the president smokes...that's the least of my worries about Obama
    hippiemom = goodness
  • Purple Hawk
    Purple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    hippiemom wrote:
    People named Roosevelt certainly do make outstanding presidents! I don't agree with everything either of them did (I'm sure it's impossible to find a public figure that you agree with on everything), but they both definitely had an overall positive effect on the country, and left it better than they found it. It's been a depressingly long time since we had a president I could say that about. Kennedy might have done it with more time, but we'll never know. There hasn't been one in my lifetime.

    the ironic point is...is that we both hate W...way too liberal for me...but he stands by his beliefs....that is what i want ina president :)
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    basqo wrote:
    how can an AMERICAN president's name be HUSSEIN-OBAMA? wtf.
    I just don't see it happening.

    i pray to God that American are not as shallow minded as you. I know I always vote based on middle names -- Im sure something a little more white is what you mean.

    I know my way through the Democratic party, especially in Illinois, and I will say it now -- Barack Obama WILL WIN the Dem nomination.

    I see him now in the same position he was in in the 2004 primary -- no experience, didnt have tje money as his big name opponents, and a no name to a lot of people. The more people who see him, thr more they will fall in love with his message for Americas next generation of leaders.
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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    the ironic point is...is that we both hate W...way too liberal for me...but he stands by his beliefs....that is what i want ina president :)
    I too want a president who stands by his beliefs. But I also want a president who believes in something other than enriching a miniscule percentage of the population at the expense of the country's well-being.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    basqo wrote:
    how can an AMERICAN president's name be HUSSEIN-OBAMA? wtf.
    I just don't see it happening.
    LOL. I think I posted that already. One letter away from Hussein Osama...Muslims would have a fucking field day with this shit if he won
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    hippiemom wrote:
    Our greatest president ever.
    Hands down...They dont make them like that anymore...Lincoln and Roosevelt are 1 and 2.
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    hippiemom wrote:
    People named Roosevelt certainly do make outstanding presidents! I don't agree with everything either of them did (I'm sure it's impossible to find a public figure that you agree with on everything), but they both definitely had an overall positive effect on the country, and left it better than they found it. It's been a depressingly long time since we had a president I could say that about. Kennedy might have done it with more time, but we'll never know. There hasn't been one in my lifetime.

    Sucks doesn't it? Ive worked on quite a number of campaigns for people that had vision and the opportunity for greatness. But America these days is more about mediocrity. That's part of the reason Im not getting my panties in a bunch over this Obama guy. From my experience, if it seems to good to be true, it probably is. Dig in and prepare for President McCain or President Edwards. Because this country just does not have vision anymore...
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Bobby Kennedy was the last great hope for American liberalism....and he was killed by a disaffected Palestinian...
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Last Exodus wrote:
    Bobby Kennedy was the last great hope for American liberalism....and he was killed by a disaffected Palestinian...

    Yeah, and his brothers lone killer was Lee Harvey Oswald. Both of these great men were killed for one reason -- they were both for peace.
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  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    Last Exodus wrote:
    I provided a thorough analysis of Obama and his electability without having to use someone else's website to do it. Scroll up. You might learn something.

    Thorough? You provided almost NO analysis of Obama. You provided your analysis of the current political climate. It's wartime? Thanks for newsflash. You made that point in order to highlight the fact that people would be too "scared" to vote for someone who was as inexperienced as Obama. I see the wartime problem differently than you do, obviously. The only reason it's "wartime" in Iraq is because the current administration chose to take us into an ill-advised and ill-planned war under what turned out to be false pretenses. Senator Obama has proposed legislation in the Senate that would get our troops out by March of next year, a sentiment that about 70% of the country agrees with.

    The situation in Iraq has steadily deteriorated since the summer and fall of 2004, and the President insisted on blindly clinging to his "stay the course" tact the entire time he was on the campaign trail. He finally miraculously realized that Iraq was fucked up a few weeks after his party lost control of the House and the Senate. People are tired of President Bush's war, and many would welcome leadership coming from a different perspective.

    You also gave an analysis of Jim Webb, but again, no real thoughtful analysis of Obama. You seem to have some aversion to using "some guy's website" to gather facts about Senator Obama's record. I'm not talking about MoveOn.org or NewsMax.com. I'm talking about nonpartisan watchdog sites. Governmental sites. If you chose to, you could take these facts and make your own judgement of him based off the information you gathered, but you'd rather be childish and pissy.
    "Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
  • Last Exodus
    Last Exodus Posts: 782
    Milhouse VanHouten wrote:
    Thorough? You provided almost NO analysis of Obama. You provided your analysis of the current political climate. It's wartime? Thanks for newsflash. You made that point in order to highlight the fact that people would be too "scared" to vote for someone who was as inexperienced as Obama. I see the wartime problem differently than you do, obviously. The only reason it's "wartime" in Iraq is because the current administration chose to take us into an ill-advised and ill-planned war under what turned out to be false pretenses. Senator Obama has proposed legislation in the Senate that would get our troops out by March of next year, a sentiment that about 70% of the country agrees with.

    The situation in Iraq has steadily deteriorated since the summer and fall of 2004, and the President insisted on blindly clinging to his "stay the course" tact the entire time he was on the campaign trail. He finally miraculously realized that Iraq was fucked up a few weeks after his party lost control of the House and the Senate. People are tired of President Bush's war, and many would welcome leadership coming from a different perspective.

    You also gave an analysis of Jim Webb, but again, no real thoughtful analysis of Obama. You seem to have some aversion to using "some guy's website" to gather facts about Senator Obama's record. I'm not talking about MoveOn.org or NewsMax.com. I'm talking about nonpartisan watchdog sites. Governmental sites. If you chose to, you could take these facts and make your own judgement of him based off the information you gathered, but you'd rather be childish and pissy.

    No analysis is possible because the man HAS NO RECORD. Go ahead and waste your vote on the guy. You probably were one of the knucleheads who wasted their vote on Nader too. Oh yeah, wasn't he a Pearl Jam darling as well. Nice work there...
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Last Exodus wrote:
    No analysis is possible because the man HAS NO RECORD. Go ahead and waste your vote on the guy. You probably were one of the knucleheads who wasted their vote on Nader too. Oh yeah, wasn't he a Pearl Jam darling as well. Nice work there...

    I'm pretty sure if you look around you will see that he does have a record, you are just choosing not to look for it. The man spent years in the Illinois Senate, and has been in the US Senate for 2 years. There is a record, you're jst too lazy to look for it.
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  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I'm pretty sure if you look around you will see that he does have a record, you are just choosing not to look for it. The man spent years in the Illinois Senate, and has been in the US Senate for 2 years. There is a record, you're jst too lazy to look for it.

    yeah i'd tell him where to find it, but after all--it's just "some guy's website."
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  • ThumbingMyWay32
    ThumbingMyWay32 Posts: 1,224
    hippiemom wrote:
    I too want a president who stands by his beliefs. But I also want a president who believes in something other than enriching a miniscule percentage of the population at the expense of the country's well-being.

    <yawn>
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