and that qualifies him to be president how exactly?
It doesn't qualify him but that is what he has got going for him.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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I actually just got done watching a bit on Obama on CNN. He is intriguing that is for sure. However I must tell you, having spent a number of years working for a number of really qualified candidates that came up through the Democratic party, that timing is everything. It's not enough to be the right candidate. You have to be the right candidate at the right time....And here is where Democrats have historically ALWAYS gone wrong.
They run the wrong people at the wrong time... They fail to nominate candidates who can actually beat the opposition. And winning IS the objective. There is a reason that the Dems keep losing to misfits like George W. They ignore the middle, then pander to the left coast and the right coast, and end up nominating people who are loved and endeared by only the liberal elite. And those people lose. Why? Because the left coast and the right coast cant relate to everyone in the middle, and vice versa.
Do a little survey. Since 1964 only two elected Presidents have come from outside States in the South (including Texas). The two who were not from the South were extreme right wing governors from my home state. Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr., Clinton, Bush Jr. That's the last 40 plus years. You cant expect to win if you don't understand or try to relate to the people who actually vote and elect people in this country.
What am I saying? I like Obama. He seems great. But this is war-time America. When Bush leaves it will still be war-time America. Historically America does not change course or take extreme risk while at war. So someone who will not completely polarize the issues is what is needed if the DEMS have any chance at winning.
There is a time for Obama, and maybe even a time for Hillary. But the DEMS are blowing it again by running these two now. They will lose...again... because its not the right time. The middle doesn't like change. They especially dont like change during a war.
So if you want change, Id rethink this Obama thing for the time being. Give him 4 more years in the Senate, let Hillary dive on the grenade (because we dont REALLY care if she does) and let him run when things are hoepfully smoother in 4 years. Then the pot smoking, hip, black, guy might be a safer choice....not for you....but for the middle. If the DEMS want to win, the guy they ought to run, if they could, would be that cat from Virginia who gave the response to the State of the Union address. Now HE is electable today. Why?
1) South
2) Marine
3) Son - Marine IN Iraq...
4) We are at war.
5) Great speaker
6) Safe for the South and the Middle.
Done deal, White House goes Blue. For now, with this plan, Red for 4 more years. Guranteed....
Very well said.
Seeing visions of falling up somehow.
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a douche ey? brilliant...i dont know why I bother trying to find an intelligent soul to debate politics with on this board. No one here can seem to formulate their own thoughts without having to post a link or cut and paste or send you to google. and im not persuaed by a guy in the Senate two years all of a sudden is a genius for introducing his own plan to do what everyone else has been proposing for years. nothing original there...it's self serving and disingenous. sort of like you
oh my, that was your attempt at debate? no wonder! you asked for people to tell you his position on iraq. i directed you towards the position, so you can read it yourself. would you rather that i just made shit up regarding his position--you know since you frown upon sources?
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
If his experience in a STATE senate is all you got, what you got is problems. Whole different world.
All you've done in this thread is criticize the information you've been given. You also seem to be refusing to do any work on your own to find anything out about Senator Obama, even when someone directs you to Google a phrase that will give you information on the Senator's position on what most people believe is THE most important issue facing the candidates.
"Of course it hurts. You're getting fucked by an elephant."
All you've done in this thread is criticize the information you've been given. You also seem to be refusing to do any work on your own to find anything out about Senator Obama, even when someone directs you to Google a phrase that will give you information on the Senator's position on what most people believe is THE most important issue facing the candidates.
I provided a thorough analysis of Obama and his electability without having to use someone else's website to do it. Scroll up. You might learn something.
All you've done in this thread is criticize the information you've been given. You also seem to be refusing to do any work on your own to find anything out about Senator Obama, even when someone directs you to Google a phrase that will give you information on the Senator's position on what most people believe is THE most important issue facing the candidates.
No i read it. His positions are nothing other than standard party line stuff. Nothing original. The issue, then, is whether he is electable. And he isn't. Not now. I made my case for it and im done.
truth? obama is all about persona. if he was about the truth, he'd be talking about the issues. he is the ultimate politician. Funny you label Bush as a politician. how can you say that? he is sticking by his principals no matter what public opinion says. either he's a hegemonic ruler or a politician...can't have it both ways.
bush is the ultimate terrorist in the name of peace and protection
obama is not
i have to congratulate bush on his "Reagan" like way of fiscal irresponsibility these past 6 years.
I dont care what the hell the guy did at the State level. Were talking about National issues now. Very different than local state issues. Don't get me wrong, I like this guy. He's honest, relatable, etc, etc. I just need more info.
the fact is its not the votes of people on this board that matter, (ie people that do research/homework on the candidates)
there are many more uniformed masses out there that will determine the election by a.) the color of the skin b.) straight party voting c.) which name sounds better.
1) South
2) Marine
3) Son - Marine IN Iraq...
4) We are at war.
5) Great speaker
6) Safe for the South and the Middle.
Done deal, White House goes Blue. For now, with this plan, Red for 4 more years. Guranteed....
yea because our last dem candidate who was a great speaker that served in the military worked out real well :rolleyes:
dont fool yourself............. this is a self imposed "war"
its not like iraq attacked us on 9/11
cant wait for the 2008 version of the swift boat vetrans of truth (should all burn in hell i'd bring the lighter fluid) to bring down whoever is the dem candidate by spilling out lies after lies.
Now they are questioning if a smoker can be elected. I think it was on Paula Zahn's show--apparently they are questioning that and Omaba is trying to quit smoking.
If he hasnt the will power or inner strength to quit smoking, he's not exactly my favorite choice for pres.
Besides the other 50 reasons why he'll never be president.
I like TR, polk, and lincoln...but FDR was agreat presdident. can't argue here.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
I don't know much about Polk (my curiosity is aroused, however, and I think I'll go do some reading), but I'm with ya on TR and Lincoln.
TR is my boy...:) a progressive capitaliist. reasoned debate free of paranoia....we can use that these days
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
TR is my boy...:) a progressive capitaliist. reasoned debate free of paranoia....we can use that these days
People named Roosevelt certainly do make outstanding presidents! I don't agree with everything either of them did (I'm sure it's impossible to find a public figure that you agree with on everything), but they both definitely had an overall positive effect on the country, and left it better than they found it. It's been a depressingly long time since we had a president I could say that about. Kennedy might have done it with more time, but we'll never know. There hasn't been one in my lifetime.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
People named Roosevelt certainly do make outstanding presidents! I don't agree with everything either of them did (I'm sure it's impossible to find a public figure that you agree with on everything), but they both definitely had an overall positive effect on the country, and left it better than they found it. It's been a depressingly long time since we had a president I could say that about. Kennedy might have done it with more time, but we'll never know. There hasn't been one in my lifetime.
the ironic point is...is that we both hate W...way too liberal for me...but he stands by his beliefs....that is what i want ina president
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
how can an AMERICAN president's name be HUSSEIN-OBAMA? wtf.
I just don't see it happening.
i pray to God that American are not as shallow minded as you. I know I always vote based on middle names -- Im sure something a little more white is what you mean.
I know my way through the Democratic party, especially in Illinois, and I will say it now -- Barack Obama WILL WIN the Dem nomination.
I see him now in the same position he was in in the 2004 primary -- no experience, didnt have tje money as his big name opponents, and a no name to a lot of people. The more people who see him, thr more they will fall in love with his message for Americas next generation of leaders.
the ironic point is...is that we both hate W...way too liberal for me...but he stands by his beliefs....that is what i want ina president
I too want a president who stands by his beliefs. But I also want a president who believes in something other than enriching a miniscule percentage of the population at the expense of the country's well-being.
"Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
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It doesn't qualify him but that is what he has got going for him.
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Very well said.
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oh my, that was your attempt at debate? no wonder! you asked for people to tell you his position on iraq. i directed you towards the position, so you can read it yourself. would you rather that i just made shit up regarding his position--you know since you frown upon sources?
cross the river to the eastside
and then when given said info you want our own opinions
so which is it? Do you want someone's personal opinion or facts?
And how exactly are we supposed to form these opinions without looking up facts?
All you've done in this thread is criticize the information you've been given. You also seem to be refusing to do any work on your own to find anything out about Senator Obama, even when someone directs you to Google a phrase that will give you information on the Senator's position on what most people believe is THE most important issue facing the candidates.
No i read it. His positions are nothing other than standard party line stuff. Nothing original. The issue, then, is whether he is electable. And he isn't. Not now. I made my case for it and im done.
its too early
people who follow elections know this.
obama is not
i have to congratulate bush on his "Reagan" like way of fiscal irresponsibility these past 6 years.
there are many more uniformed masses out there that will determine the election by a.) the color of the skin b.) straight party voting c.) which name sounds better.
it sucks but its a sad truth
dont fool yourself............. this is a self imposed "war"
its not like iraq attacked us on 9/11
cant wait for the 2008 version of the swift boat vetrans of truth (should all burn in hell i'd bring the lighter fluid) to bring down whoever is the dem candidate by spilling out lies after lies.
1) Vitalogy
2) Yield
3) Ten
4) No Code
5) Riot Act
6) Vs.
7) Pearl Jam
8) Binaural
If he hasnt the will power or inner strength to quit smoking, he's not exactly my favorite choice for pres.
Besides the other 50 reasons why he'll never be president.
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make terrible presidents...
http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/photos.html
I just don't see it happening.
I like TR, polk, and lincoln...but FDR was agreat presdident. can't argue here.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
TR is my boy...:) a progressive capitaliist. reasoned debate free of paranoia....we can use that these days
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Don't like competition?
But your right nonetheless, it would be a tremendous favor to America if those jackasses bowed out.
I'm not surprised that you think so.
I could care less if the president smokes...that's the least of my worries about Obama
the ironic point is...is that we both hate W...way too liberal for me...but he stands by his beliefs....that is what i want ina president
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
i pray to God that American are not as shallow minded as you. I know I always vote based on middle names -- Im sure something a little more white is what you mean.
I know my way through the Democratic party, especially in Illinois, and I will say it now -- Barack Obama WILL WIN the Dem nomination.
I see him now in the same position he was in in the 2004 primary -- no experience, didnt have tje money as his big name opponents, and a no name to a lot of people. The more people who see him, thr more they will fall in love with his message for Americas next generation of leaders.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm