Obamania Officially Kicks Off Tomorrow

VictoryGin

Bu2 wrote:

I cannot believe that any Dem willing to vote a woman in would pass up voting in a black man who makes one hell of a lot more sense and has no political machine behind him instead.

well, i would hope that people wouldn't base it entirely on race or gender. but it is an interesting thing to talk about because historically we haven't faced these choices so much. so i do wonder how much that is a part of people's decisions. but in hillary's defense, she is a smart and accomplished person who does good policy work and gets some things done. but yeah, i think she is more 'political' and plays that role moreso than barack (the interests, machine, etc.). and i would totally understand when people would not choose her based on her voting record. but that's up for individuals to decide.

Bu2 wrote:

His speeches speak for themselves (is that an oxymoron?)

no. just remember the classic oxymoron-- jumbo shrimp

Bu2

but don't forget the roots, Cutback. Weeds have roots too.

http://www.barackobama.com

http://obama.senate.gov/

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

VictoryGin

Bu2 wrote:

in NYC on Sunday the 18th at some stranger's apartment to join 18 other people who want to discuss Obama and form some opinions as to how to make other New Yorkers aware of him and where he stands.

It all starts at home, folks. That's one of Obama's messages.

Start with your own home town. Find people who believe in what YOU believe in. Find a local charity that you know and trust, and give them all the things you would otherwise leave for the garbage. Find people in your town who are fed up with politics as they are today, and find ways to push for the person you believe would make the next great leader. Get out of your house on a weekend and organize a local clean-up of your area. Etc. etc. etc.

Grass roots. I'm all for grass. I'm all for roots. I'm all for making things happen at home. I'm all for making things happen that can change the world.

It's that easy.

if it makes you feel better, when i was reading audacity of hope on the subway yesterday, someone got on and came over and said 'isn't that such a great book?' and he was all excited. and then i got all excited and said it was so amazing to be reading these things and have a candidate to be excited about for once. and he wanted to keep talking about it and it was just something i haven't experienced with jaded new yorkers and it was lovely .

it's building.

Milhouse VanHouten

VictoryGin wrote:

i wonder if it speaks to his awesomeness that the complaints so far are 'experience', 'don't know where he stands', and OMFG HE SMOKES! (Bartlet!). and i wonder how recent of a phenomenon this complaint of lack of knowing where candidates stand is. there are so many ways of getting information these days, how can one not know how to do research when one clearly has internet access? is the amount of possibilities of information gathering too overwhelming? do people want information magically transmitted to their brains? do they just want to be told what to think by 'assmilks' on cable news stations?

i just don't understand.

i don't understand it, either. i suppose that people who already have their minds made up probably would be perplexed by bothersome "facts" that don't support their opinions... grrr. stupid "facts".

don't forget, he was raised in madrassa in qumar by mohammed himself. fox news told me so.

Purple Hawk

cutback wrote:

I find it interesting that the only thing people can say negative about him is lack of experience.

one problem i have with him, is that he doesn't come across as very articulate.

Bu2

http://www.barackobama.com/video/

I'd like to see George Bush squint his way through reading this speech, without stumbling and fumbling and misreading at least ONE line, thank you very much.

Purple Hawk

Bu2 wrote:

http://www.barackobama.com/video/

I'd like to see George Bush squint his way through reading this speech, without stumbling and fumbling and misreading at least ONE line, thank you very much.

who's on first?

and by the way...so is saying someone is articulate a compliment or not...i'm REALLY confused. someone said osama obama (Kennedy 2006) was articulate and everyone was offended. now you say he's inarticulate, and that's not good either?

Bu2

Speaking in a clear or effective manner

Purple Hawk

Bu2 wrote:

Speaking in a clear or effective manner

yeah, we know that....so is it a compliment or not? i do not want to offend osama obama (kennedy 2006) so i want to know whether i should call him articulate or inarticulate.

Ebizzie

Last Exodus wrote:

Well, dont you want to know ANYTHING about the guy you've already deemed worthy of the highest office in the land?

I'm also reading Audacity of Hope. I know where he stands and I know that I disagree with him on several issues. The problem is that after dealing with 16 years of Clinton and Bush, character is taking a front seat for me next election over issues. I've had it with these politicians. Obama brings truthiness to the office, a commoner's perspective.

Purple Hawk

Ebizzie wrote:

I'm also reading Audacity of Hope. I know where he stands and I know that I disagree with him on several issues. The problem is that after dealing with 16 years of Clinton and Bush, character is taking a front seat for me next election over issues. I've had it with these politicians. Obama brings truthiness to the office, a commoner's perspective.

truth? obama is all about persona. if he was about the truth, he'd be talking about the issues. he is the ultimate politician. Funny you label Bush as a politician. how can you say that? he is sticking by his principals no matter what public opinion says. either he's a hegemonic ruler or a politician...can't have it both ways.

Ebizzie

Purple Hawk wrote:

truth? obama is all about persona. if he was about the truth, he'd be talking about the issues. he is the ultimate politician. Funny you label Bush as a politician. how can you say that? he is sticking by his principals no matter what public opinion says. either he's a hegemonic ruler or a politician...can't have it both ways.

He is talking about the issues!!! Have you not read a post in this thread outside of mine?

You're so brainwashed, Washington has you by the balls. You are so twisted and jaded by those fuckheads that even a person full of truthiness and heartfelt character comes across as a fraud and an actor.

Man, you've GOT to remember that this guy has not been part of the machine. He does not have the experience and tenure to have learned how he needs to "act" in front of a nationwide audience. Is it that hard to believe that we may actually have a man with genuine character running for office?

I'm not familiar with your username enough to know your political leanings, but if this is just some stupid partisan putdowns on your part, it's really sad to me.

Ebizzie

Purple Hawk wrote:

truth? obama is all about persona. if he was about the truth, he'd be talking about the issues. he is the ultimate politician. Funny you label Bush as a politician. how can you say that? he is sticking by his principals no matter what public opinion says. either he's a hegemonic ruler or a politician...can't have it both ways.

Bush hasn't followed through on a fucking campaign promise outside of the tax cuts. He said what he needed to say to get elected and now he shits on us. He is the epitome of a career politician.

Last Exodus

Milhouse VanHouten wrote:

I'll second all that.

To me, it seems like the people who cite his "lack of experience" and complain that "he hasn't told the people what he stands for" are being a little disingenuous. It's called the fucking internet! Make use of it. You can do a little research and find out how he voted in the Illinois Senate and in the US Senate. You can find all this stuff on non-partisan sites. It's not difficult at all, but it's just a little harder than choosing to say, "pfft... he hasn't taken a stand on anything yet."

Do some research, form YOUR OWN idea of what he's about, then make your own judgment. Don't wait for some loudmouth assmilk on a cable news station to tell you what to think about him.

I dont care what the hell the guy did at the State level. Were talking about National issues now. Very different than local state issues. Don't get me wrong, I like this guy. He's honest, relatable, etc, etc. I just need more info.

Last Exodus

VictoryGin wrote:

in the time it took you to post that, you could have found out yourself. how lazy. i'll give you a tip, though i'm not even sure that's worthwhile. try googling "iraq war de-escalation act".

geez.

I actually have read quite a bit about him. So save the speeches. I was simply curious if those who support him really know his position........Apparently not. If you did, youd be able to tell me yourself instead of referring me to google.

Purple Hawk

Ebizzie wrote:

Bush hasn't followed through on a fucking campaign promise outside of the tax cuts. He said what he needed to say to get elected and now he shits on us. He is the epitome of a career politician.

social security? voted down by dems and weak republicans. health care? signed by dems. education? signed by dems. iraq? he is doing what he thinks is right. that is the opposite of a career politician. what hillary is doing...yeah, THAT'S an example of a career politician. anyone who voted yes, and is now going back on it...that is playing politics. putting politics over reality. so again, how is W the epitome of a career politician?

gue_barium

Ebizzie wrote:

I'm a registered republican and he's got my vote (unless Ron Paul is on the ballot). You've just stated exactly why he will receive my vote, he's not part of the machine yet. He's a commoner who has made his way to Washington on the shoulders of other commoners. I don't want another career politician in office, I don't want a president who has been in the pockets of lobbyists for 20 years, I don't want a president who owes "favors" to his friends and rivals.

Commoner?

"...obtained early education in Jakarta, Indonesia, and Hawaii; continued education at Occidental College, Los Angeles, Calif., and Columbia University, New York City; studied law at Harvard University, where he became the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review, and received J.D. in 1992; lecturer on constitutional law, University of Chicago..."

Last Exodus

Bu2 wrote:

but don't forget the roots, Cutback. Weeds have roots too.

http://www.barackobama.com

http://obama.senate.gov/

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm

Wow, actual information instead of moral indignation that we didn't buy his fucking book. Thank you. That was helpful...See how easy it is.

Bu2

gue_barium wrote:

Commoner?

"...obtained early education in Jakarta, Indonesia, and Hawaii; continued education at Occidental College, Los Angeles, Calif., and Columbia University, New York City; studied law at Harvard University, where he became the first African American president of the Harvard Law Review, and received J.D. in 1992; lecturer on constitutional law, University of Chicago..."

And your point is?

Purple Hawk

Last Exodus wrote:

Wow, actual information instead of moral indignation that we didn't buy his fucking book. Thank you. That was helpful...See how easy it is.

I still think the guy is inarticulate *compliment *