but how could they have planted the explosives??

sonicreducer

El_Kabong wrote:

well can you tell me who it is? everytime i click on the link it says done at the bottom but it's just a blank page

bigfoot. what an asshole.

El_Kabong

sonicreducer wrote:

bigfoot. what an asshole.

god damn him...tenacious d was right about him!

El_Kabong

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=4194796183168750014&hl=en

i guess all of these ppl are just wrong about saying they heard and felt explosions...

i particularly like the quote:
"i spoke to the chief of safety of the new york fire department...he thinks there were secondary devices which were actually planted in the building"

El_Kabong

if it just collapsed why did so much of the building disintegrate? things fall down but don't turn to dust

PaperPlates

El_Kabong wrote:

if it just collapsed why did so much of the building disintegrate? things fall down but don't turn to dust

get a physics degree, you'll understand then.

El_Kabong

PaperPlates wrote:

get a physics degree, you'll understand then.

will that explain why building 7 fell perfectly straight down when it wasn't hit by any planes?

farfromglorified

El_Kabong wrote:

http://publish.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/852223.shtml

Exactly How and When Could the WTC Be Wired With Explosives? Answer...
Repost from Progressive Review 23 Apr 2004 17:00 GMT

Many researchers have concluded the World Trade Center was wired with explosives, causing the unprecedented collapse following the impacts of two jumbo jets. In fact, NYC firefighters remarked that day that it seemed like bombs were going off in the buildings, just prior to the tower's collapse. One glaring question remains unanswered: exactly how and when could such a monumental undertaking be accomplished. Read on for the answer...
Feedback from the Progressive Review's Undernews for April 22, 2004.

||| SEP 11

WE RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING from someone who worked for Fiduciary Trust on the 90th, 94-97th floors of the South Tower:

"On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ...

"Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower. I was at home on the morning of 9/11 on the shore of Jersey City, right opposite the Towers, and watching events unfold I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work."

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http://publish.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/852277.shtml

Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down
Victor Thorn 25 Apr 2004 20:17 GMT

Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place.
Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place. Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth.

Forbes stated that Fiduciary Trust was one of the WTC’s first occupants after it was erected, and that a “power-down” had never been initiated prior to this occasion. He also stated that his company put forth a huge investment in time and resources to take down their computer systems due to the deliberate power outage. This process, Forbes recalled, began early Saturday morning (September 8th) and continued until mid-Sunday afternoon (September 9th) – approximately 30 hours. As a result of having its electricity cut, the WTC’s security cameras were rendered inoperative, as were its I.D. systems, and elevators to the upper floors.

Forbes did stress, though, that there was power to the WTC’s lower floors, and that there were plenty of engineers going in-and-out of the WTC who had free access throughout the building due to its security system being knocked out. In an e-mail to journalist John Kaminski, author of The Day America Died (Sisyphus Press) and America’s Autopsy Report (Dandelion Books), Forbes wrote: “Without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors, and many, many ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the tower.”

Forbes didn’t think much of these occurrences at the time, and said that he worked until Monday morning (September 10th) to get all the computer systems back online. Due to his IT-related duties on Saturday & Sunday, Forbes had Tuesday, September 11th off, and thus watched the World Trade Center towers collapse from his apartment. While doing so, he recalled, “I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work.”

In addition, Forbes says there were other peculiarities revolving around this unreported event, including:

1) Fiduciary employees trapped between the 90-97th floors of the South Tower told family members (via cell-phone calls) that they were hearing “bomb-like explosions” throughout the towers.

2) Video cameras positioned atop the World Trade Center which were used to feed daily images to local television stations were inexplicably inoperative that morning.

3) A Fiduciary employee who was on one of the lower floors and escaped immediately after the first (North) tower was struck, reported that he was amazed by the large number of FBI agents that were already on the streets surrounding the WTC complex only minutes after the initial strike.

4) Last but not least, Ann Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust and now a board member of Franklin Templeton, had just arrived at a conference hosted by Warren Buffet at the Offutt Air Force Base (home of the U.S. Strategic Command Headquarters in Omaha, Nebraska) when the 9-11 attacks took place. Coincidentally, later that day President George W. Bush flew into this very same base on Air Force One for “security reasons.” Even more chilling are the Offutt AFB ties to the CIA’s MK ULTRA experiments, Project Monarch, the Franklin Cover-Up, and the diabolical practices of Michael Aquino. (Type any of these words into a search engine for more information.)

In the end, Forbes says that even though these disclosures could jeopardize his current employment, he has stepped forward because, “I have mailed this information to many people, including the 9/11 Commission, but no one seems to be registering these facts.”

Obviously there are many unanswered questions to this story, and we will keep you updated as more information arrives.

Wow. I'm convinced. There was a scheduled "power down" at my company's datacenter the other day. Should I be worried? Obviously there are many unanswered questions and I hope someone will keep me updated as more information arrives.

boxwine_in_hell

Go talk to a structural engineer and they'll tell you how the towers came down. All you conspiracy nuts can argue until judgement day as far as I'm concerned. I suppose you think the Halocaust was made up too. There's no shortage of half-wits in this world, this thread proves that quite nicely.

The Illinoisemakers

Ok so even if from 50 up the power was shut down and the security cameras were cut. Wouldn't there be some video from the first 50 floors of engineers carrying the explosive charges around and placing them? Is it really possible to lay all the charges needed to bring down a building of that size in 30 hours? People want to believe so badly that it was an inside job, that they are willing to skip over logic, I wonder why that is?

RockinInCanada

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Ok so even if from 50 up the power was shut down and the security cameras were cut. Wouldn't there be some video from the first 50 floors of engineers carrying the explosive charges around and placing them? Is it really possible to lay all the charges needed to bring down a building of that size in 30 hours? People want to believe so badly that it was an inside job, that they are willing to skip over logic, I wonder why that is?

Valid question....I am one undecided I really dunno what to believe...however your quote "they are willing to skip over logic" can most definetly be applied to anything really...it all comes down to indivdual opinion....for me there are way more questions than answers...questions that were not asked at the offical commission....and that need to be asked....and the best way to do away with the theory is have those in the sensitive positions come defend themselves and answer the questions which were not asked...not hard if they are not lying....to me there was something lacking in the official investigation...everything was done so quick....for something so grand in scale a more detailed investigation should have been completed....

RockinInCanada

boxwine_in_hell wrote:

Go talk to a structural engineer and they'll tell you how the towers came down. All you conspiracy nuts can argue until judgement day as far as I'm concerned. I suppose you think the Halocaust was made up too. There's no shortage of half-wits in this world, this thread proves that quite nicely.

There is many structual engineers who believe it was man-made just as those that don't......I am an engineer and have had conversations with others who are more linked to both fields and there is obvious disagreement....just cause someone does not agree with you does not make them a nut....then you could also be a nut for not agreeing with them...different opinions....that is all it is....

El_Kabong

farfromglorified wrote:

Wow. I'm convinced. There was a scheduled "power down" at my company's datacenter the other day. Should I be worried? Obviously there are many unanswered questions and I hope someone will keep me updated as more information arrives.

if 3 of the buildings fall straight down from fire just a few days later, then yeah, i'd say so

sonicreducer

oops

onelongsong

does it really matter? what i don't understand is why people think this was an attack on america. the wtc was an international target on american soil. a building dedicated to the world working together. other countries wanting to do business with the US and wanting the US to do business with them.

farfromglorified

El_Kabong wrote:

if 3 of the buildings fall straight down from fire just a few days later, then yeah, i'd say so

Ok. And if two planes hit those buildings I should focus on the "power down" and just assume that the planes were part of a "power down" conspiracy?

farfromglorified

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Ok so even if from 50 up the power was shut down and the security cameras were cut. Wouldn't there be some video from the first 50 floors of engineers carrying the explosive charges around and placing them? Is it really possible to lay all the charges needed to bring down a building of that size in 30 hours? People want to believe so badly that it was an inside job, that they are willing to skip over logic, I wonder why that is?

Isn't it obvious that the explosive planters parachuted down from Stealth fighters and then self-desctructed when they had finished their work?

sonicreducer

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

Ok so even if from 50 up the power was shut down and the security cameras were cut. Wouldn't there be some video from the first 50 floors of engineers carrying the explosive charges around and placing them? Is it really possible to lay all the charges needed to bring down a building of that size in 30 hours?

maybe they had them in carts hidden under the tabloids. it sounds pretty farfetched to rig it in 30 hours, but it also said there were a lot of engineers coming in and out of the building. it could have happened. if indeed it happened, it would have been carefully planned and had to have been executed perfectly for the towers to fall.

The Illinoisemakers wrote:

People want to believe so badly that it was an inside job, that they are willing to skip over logic, I wonder why that is?

i agree with that to a limited extent. i catch myself sometimes leaning toward something ridiculous. but there are many claims that are so valid and realistic. and the secrecy and unanswered questions are beyond absurd.

El_Kabong

farfromglorified wrote:

Ok. And if two planes hit those buildings I should focus on the "power down" and just assume that the planes were part of a "power down" conspiracy?

but what of the 3rd building that a plane never hit?

onelongsong

El_Kabong wrote:

if 3 of the buildings fall straight down from fire just a few days later, then yeah, i'd say so

if you study the film footage; you'll see that the impact ruptured the firewalls. the thousands of pounds of jet fuel burned hot enough to weaken the steel holding the cement floors causing the heavy floors to fall. one floor hit another causing that floor to fall onto the floor below. that weight collapsed the floor below. watch the footage and look at the floors as dominos. you will see one hit the other. nothing like an implosion and nothing like an explosion.

farfromglorified

El_Kabong wrote:

but what of the 3rd building that a plane never hit?

So I should structure my theory around an active ignorance of 66% of the event?