but how could they have planted the explosives??

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  • rebornFixer
    rebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    You don't think that explosives could have been transported with out detection by elevators? by stairs? and then planted on the floors where the power was out?

    Of course its possible ... But one cannot prove something occured by demonstrating that it is possible. There has to be some solid evidence that does not exist solely in the realm of possibility.
  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    onelongsong wrote:
    the shockwave from the first 2 building falling was registered as an earthquake as far away as virginia. several building surrounding the wtc were damaged so it's simple logic that the shock wave could collapse the building next to it and sharing the same basic foundation.

    then they all would have fallen.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Ok. Then why do you use his other statement?

    Because it was an obvious slip up. I've been around enough liars to know that they often have trouble keeping their story straight. One could so easily slip up and say the wrong without even thinking about it. It happens most often when some gets too comfortable with their lie and doesn't have as much fear of being exposed anymore.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    a visual no one will ever forget...another pearl harbor

    then let's look at the other angle. how much explosives would it require to implode a building of that size? tons. and in order to get the implosion; the blueprints would have to be studied and all the charges placed in the right places. this has to be exact requiring years of experience.
  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Because it was an obvious slip up. I've been around enough liars to know that they often have trouble keeping their story straight. One could so easily slip up and say the wrong without even thinking about it. It happens most often when some gets too comfortable with their lie and doesn't have as much fear of being exposed anymore.

    just like that rumsfield quote when he said they used missles to take down the buildings.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    reborncareerist wrote:
    Of course its possible ... But one cannot prove something occured by demonstrating that it is possible. There has to be some solid evidence that does not exist solely in the realm of possibility.

    Of course, thats why it up for discussion. There's often no solid evidence for many crimes. No one has claimed this was solid proof of anything...just another questionable aspect of the many to discuss.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    sonicreducer wrote:
    can you give me a link for that? im assuming that was after the first statement,...

    http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/16-241966.html

    "Seven World Trade Center collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on September 11, 2001, after burning for seven hours. There were no casualties, thanks to the heroism of the Fire Department and the work of Silverstein Properties employees who evacuated tenants from the building.

    The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) conducted a thorough investigation of the collapse of all the World Trade Center buildings. The FEMA report concluded that the collapse of Seven World Trade Center was a direct result of fires triggered by debris from the collapse of WTC Tower 1.

    In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building.

    Later in the day, the Fire Commander ordered his firefighters out of the building and at 5:20 p.m. the building collapsed. No lives were lost at Seven World Trade Center on September 11, 2001." -Silverstein Properties
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    onelongsong wrote:
    then let's look at the other angle. how much explosives would it require to implode a building of that size? tons. and in order to get the implosion; the blueprints would have to be studied and all the charges placed in the right places. this has to be exact requiring years of experience.

    Who claimed the people involved were amatuers? That would be the official position that amatuer pilots flew planes into the towers with such precision without any experience.
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  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    farfromglorified wrote:
    That's not logic. That's an outlandish assumption. And an incorrect one.

    why do some buildings fall during an earthquake while others standing next to it remain standing? height has a lot to do with it too. if it were an explosion; why didn't it blow outwards? walls fell when the weight of the floors above caused them to buckle.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    sonicreducer wrote:
    just like that rumsfield quote when he said they used missles to take down the buildings.

    Good god. This is like that game where you whisper something into a bunch of people's ears and see what comes out the other end.

    He said they used missles to take down the plane.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    Inside what? By whom?

    A job pulled off by a group of people inside the US.
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  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    onelongsong wrote:
    why do some buildings fall during an earthquake while others standing next to it remain standing? height has a lot to do with it too.

    WTC 7 is a relatively short structure in the context of an earthquake theory.
    if it were an explosion; why didn't it blow outwards?

    I believe the prevailing conspiracy theory is an implosion, not an explosion.
    walls fell when the weight of the floors above caused them to buckle.

    Actually in the case of WTC 7, it happens in reverse. The base of the building became unstable from fires and falling debris. And when you remove the base, the rest collapses.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Who claimed the people involved were amatuers?

    No one. The ultimate failure of the theory is that no one can make any claims about "the people involved" other than words like "they" and "inside job".
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    A job pulled off by a group of people inside the US.

    I believe even the "official story" is pulled off by a group of people inside the US. It's tough to fly planes into a building when you're in a different nation than the building.
  • onelongsong
    onelongsong Posts: 3,517
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Who claimed the people involved were amatuers? That would be the official position that amatuer pilots flew planes into the towers with such precision without any experience.

    as an ex-pilot; i can tell you that i flew the plane on my first time out. flying an airplane is simple. landing is the hard part. even take-off is simple. full throttle until the planes air speed reaches flight speed and pull the stick back.
  • farfromglorified
    farfromglorified Posts: 5,700
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Because it was an obvious slip up. I've been around enough liars to know that they often have trouble keeping their story straight. One could so easily slip up and say the wrong without even thinking about it. It happens most often when some gets too comfortable with their lie and doesn't have as much fear of being exposed anymore.

    But your entire theory now requires the veracity of a "liar's" statement. It requires his first statment (or at least your interpretation of it) to be true and his second to be false. And you can point to no evidence that the reverse is not true, or that both statements are bullshit.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    But your entire theory now requires around the of a "liar's" statement. It requires his first statment (or at least your interpretation of it) to be true and his second to be false. And you can point to no evidence that the reverse is not true, or that both statements are bullshit.

    I believe his first statement quite possibly could have been a mistake and his second a lie. Of course, I can't prove if he is lying or not. The whole theory of an inside job doesn't require Silverstein at all to still have merit. It's just one question of the many. What evidence is there for the official story? It's all circumstantial on both sides with many possibilities, requiring one to draw their own conclusions and interpretations of the info out there.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    No one. The ultimate failure of the theory is that no one can make any claims about "the people involved" other than words like "they" and "inside job".

    Same with the other side. Especially the list they compiled of the terrorists and then later finding out many of them were still alive. It requires faith in what you've been presented with.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

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  • sonicreducer
    sonicreducer Posts: 713
    farfromglorified wrote:
    http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Sep/16-241966.html

    thanks for the link. that was something i hadn't read yet. it is pretty convincing, but i just can't believe that is what he meant. buildings don't fall like that. people don't say they are going to pull it and then watch if fall and then say what they meant was to pull people out of there. why didn't he say, we have to pull the firefighters out of there. he said pull IT. they aren't it. i dont' know. i hope im stupid and full of shit, but something ain't right about that whole situation. i definitely want to clarify that i don't want a conspiracy, i just don't buy the official explanation.
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  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    farfromglorified wrote:
    I believe even the "official story" is pulled off by a group of people inside the US. It's tough to fly planes into a building when you're in a different nation than the building.

    Yes, but the plans were supposedly put together by Arabs in a terrorist cell outside the of the US.
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