but how could they have planted the explosives??

El_Kabong

http://publish.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/852223.shtml

Exactly How and When Could the WTC Be Wired With Explosives? Answer...
Repost from Progressive Review 23 Apr 2004 17:00 GMT

Many researchers have concluded the World Trade Center was wired with explosives, causing the unprecedented collapse following the impacts of two jumbo jets. In fact, NYC firefighters remarked that day that it seemed like bombs were going off in the buildings, just prior to the tower's collapse. One glaring question remains unanswered: exactly how and when could such a monumental undertaking be accomplished. Read on for the answer...
Feedback from the Progressive Review's Undernews for April 22, 2004.

||| SEP 11

WE RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING from someone who worked for Fiduciary Trust on the 90th, 94-97th floors of the South Tower:

"On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ...

"Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower. I was at home on the morning of 9/11 on the shore of Jersey City, right opposite the Towers, and watching events unfold I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work."

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http://publish.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/852277.shtml

Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down
Victor Thorn 25 Apr 2004 20:17 GMT

Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place.
Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place. Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth.

Forbes stated that Fiduciary Trust was one of the WTC’s first occupants after it was erected, and that a “power-down” had never been initiated prior to this occasion. He also stated that his company put forth a huge investment in time and resources to take down their computer systems due to the deliberate power outage. This process, Forbes recalled, began early Saturday morning (September 8th) and continued until mid-Sunday afternoon (September 9th) – approximately 30 hours. As a result of having its electricity cut, the WTC’s security cameras were rendered inoperative, as were its I.D. systems, and elevators to the upper floors.

Forbes did stress, though, that there was power to the WTC’s lower floors, and that there were plenty of engineers going in-and-out of the WTC who had free access throughout the building due to its security system being knocked out. In an e-mail to journalist John Kaminski, author of The Day America Died (Sisyphus Press) and America’s Autopsy Report (Dandelion Books), Forbes wrote: “Without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors, and many, many ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the tower.”

Forbes didn’t think much of these occurrences at the time, and said that he worked until Monday morning (September 10th) to get all the computer systems back online. Due to his IT-related duties on Saturday & Sunday, Forbes had Tuesday, September 11th off, and thus watched the World Trade Center towers collapse from his apartment. While doing so, he recalled, “I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work.”

In addition, Forbes says there were other peculiarities revolving around this unreported event, including:

1) Fiduciary employees trapped between the 90-97th floors of the South Tower told family members (via cell-phone calls) that they were hearing “bomb-like explosions” throughout the towers.

2) Video cameras positioned atop the World Trade Center which were used to feed daily images to local television stations were inexplicably inoperative that morning.

3) A Fiduciary employee who was on one of the lower floors and escaped immediately after the first (North) tower was struck, reported that he was amazed by the large number of FBI agents that were already on the streets surrounding the WTC complex only minutes after the initial strike.

4) Last but not least, Ann Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust and now a board member of Franklin Templeton, had just arrived at a conference hosted by Warren Buffet at the Offutt Air Force Base (home of the U.S. Strategic Command Headquarters in Omaha, Nebraska) when the 9-11 attacks took place. Coincidentally, later that day President George W. Bush flew into this very same base on Air Force One for “security reasons.” Even more chilling are the Offutt AFB ties to the CIA’s MK ULTRA experiments, Project Monarch, the Franklin Cover-Up, and the diabolical practices of Michael Aquino. (Type any of these words into a search engine for more information.)

In the end, Forbes says that even though these disclosures could jeopardize his current employment, he has stepped forward because, “I have mailed this information to many people, including the 9/11 Commission, but no one seems to be registering these facts.”

Obviously there are many unanswered questions to this story, and we will keep you updated as more information arrives.

binauralsounds

Look we get it. 9/11 was a conspiracy! You and your buddies already know it, why keep creating a thousand threads stating the same thing?? Are you trying to convince yourelf?????? WTF?

Abookamongstthemany

binauralsounds wrote:

Look we get it. 9/11 was a conspiracy! You and your buddies already know it, why keep creating a thousand threads stating the same thing?? Are you trying to convince yourelf?????? WTF?

There's always new information out there to be discussed about any issue be it Israel/Lebabnon, Global Warming, you name it....

Don't try to supress the sharing of information because you don't agree with the conclusion others have came to because of it. Express why you think they may be wrong about it.

El_Kabong

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United
by Margie Burns

George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.

The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down."

It also had a three-year contract to maintain electronic security systems at Dulles Airport, according to a Dulles contracting official. Securacom/Stratesec also handled some security for United Airlines in the 1990s, according to McDaniel, but it had been completed before his arriving on the board in 1998.

McDaniel confirmed that the company has security contracts with the Department of Defense, including the U.S. Army, but did not detail the nature of the work, citing security concerns. It has an ongoing line with the General Services Administration - meaning that its bids for contracts are noncompetitive - and also did security work for the Los Alamos laboratory before 1998.

Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000. But the White House has not publicly disclosed Bush connections in any of its responses to 9/11, nor has it mentioned that another Bush-linked business had done security work for the facilities attacked.

Marvin Bush joined Securacom when it was capitalized by the Kuwait-American Corporation, a private investment firm in D.C. that was the security company's major investor, sometimes holding a controlling interest. Marvin Bush has not responded to telephone calls and e-mails for comment.

KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.

The managing director at KuwAm, Wirt D. Walker III, was also a principal at Stratesec, and Walker, Marvin Bush and al Sabah are listed in SEC filings as significant shareholders in both companies during that period.

Marvin Bush's last year on the board at Stratesec coincided with his first year on the board of HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Co., one of the insurance carriers for the WTC. He left the HCC board in November 2002.

But none of these connections has been looked at during the extensive investigations since 9/11. McDaniel says principals and other personnel at Stratesec have not been questioned or debriefed by the FBI or other investigators. Walker declined to answer the same question regarding KuwAm, referring to the public record.

Walker is also chairman and CEO of Aviation General, a Tulsa, Okla.-based aviation company with two subsidiaries. SEC filings also show al Sabah as a principal and shareholder in Aviation General, which was recently delisted by the Nasdaq. Stratesec was delisted by the American Stock Exchange in October 2002.

The suite in which Marvin Bush was annually re-elected, according to public records, is located in the Watergate in space leased to the Saudi government. The company now holds shareholder meetings in space leased by the Kuwaiti government there. The White House has not responded to various requests for comment.

Speaking of the Watergate, Riggs National Bank, where Saudi Princess Al-Faisal had her ``Saudi money trail" bank account, has as one of its executives Jonathan Bush, an uncle of the president. The public has not learned whether Riggs - which services 95 percent of Washington's foreign embassies - will be turning over records relating to Saudi finance.

Meanwhile, Bush has nominated William H. Donaldson to head the Securities and Exchange Commission. Donaldson, a longtime Bush family friend, was a Yale classmate of Jonathan Bush.

On the very day of the tragic space shuttle crash, the government appointed an independent investigative panel, and rightly so. Why didn't it do the same on Sept. 12, 2001?

Human Tide

binauralsounds wrote:

Look we get it. 9/11 was a conspiracy! You and your buddies already know it, why keep creating a thousand threads stating the same thing?? Are you trying to convince yourelf?????? WTF?

Aren't you the one that floods the board with posts about the Israel/Lebanon conflict? I agree that there are too many threads about this particular topic, but you don't seem to be setting such a good example yourself.

Human Tide

binauralsounds wrote:

Look we get it. 9/11 was a conspiracy! You and your buddies already know it, why keep creating a thousand threads stating the same thing?? Are you trying to convince yourelf?????? WTF?

Here's a sampling of the recent threads you've started.



Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'

Hezbollah launching rockets into Israel out of Kfar-Qana

IDF: Qana building fell hours after strike

Osama's Evil Spawn In Leb

Hezbollah equipped like the `Syrian or Iranian army'

Iran: We supplied Zelzal-2 to Hizbullah

Saudi religious leader blasts Hizbullah

Inside the new Hizbullah. (lengthy)

Olmert tells Europe to stop preaching to Israel

Reuters employee issues 'Zionist pig' death threat

Reuters admits altering Beirut photo

Israeli war deaths go largely unnoticed

Reuters admits to more image manipulation

Israelis phone targeted buildings before air strikes

Israeli PM Has Accepted Cease-Fire Deal!!!!

El_Kabong

Human Tide wrote:

Here's a sampling of the recent threads you've started.



Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'

Hezbollah launching rockets into Israel out of Kfar-Qana

IDF: Qana building fell hours after strike

Osama's Evil Spawn In Leb

Hezbollah equipped like the `Syrian or Iranian army'

Iran: We supplied Zelzal-2 to Hizbullah

Saudi religious leader blasts Hizbullah

Inside the new Hizbullah. (lengthy)

Olmert tells Europe to stop preaching to Israel

Reuters employee issues 'Zionist pig' death threat

Reuters admits altering Beirut photo

Israeli war deaths go largely unnoticed

Reuters admits to more image manipulation

Israelis phone targeted buildings before air strikes

Israeli PM Has Accepted Cease-Fire Deal!!!!

do as he says not as he does?

MrBrian

Human Tide wrote:

Here's a sampling of the recent threads you've started.



Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'

Hezbollah launching rockets into Israel out of Kfar-Qana

IDF: Qana building fell hours after strike

Osama's Evil Spawn In Leb

Hezbollah equipped like the `Syrian or Iranian army'

Iran: We supplied Zelzal-2 to Hizbullah

Saudi religious leader blasts Hizbullah

Inside the new Hizbullah. (lengthy)

Olmert tells Europe to stop preaching to Israel

Reuters employee issues 'Zionist pig' death threat

Reuters admits altering Beirut photo

Israeli war deaths go largely unnoticed

Reuters admits to more image manipulation

Israelis phone targeted buildings before air strikes

Israeli PM Has Accepted Cease-Fire Deal!!!!

This post just made me laugh. I also just can't understand how I missed the "Osama's Evil Spawn In Leb" thread, sounds like a classic.

enharmonic

Bin Ladin's son was dispatched to Lebanon. That info was broadcast on Al Jazeera. Osama has a bunch of kids, but the one they're talking about has been called a carbon copy of Osama. Thing is, he might even be worse because he gets to learn from his father's mistakes.

As for the 9/11 Conspiracy theories. I'd like to know what CDI was doing there. I'm also still waiting to see another building implode perfectly. However, recently it has occurred to me that it is plausible to consider that the manner in which the towers fell was designed into the structure, due to where they were.

Say the towers would have stood for another 100 years? Ultimately, there comes a time when old buildings need to be replaced. In NYC, thic can be a HUGE problem because of the footprint that many skyscrapers have. It's not a very big island when you put it into that persoective. Every spare inch of space is covered by something in NYC. It is not out of the realm of possibility that the structures were designed to collapes in a predetermined fashion. The WTC was a marvel of modern architecture afterall. In the 70's, it was very much ahead of its time.

Just a thought...though based on what I have seen, it looked exactly...EXACTLY like a controlled demolition...and I've seen hundreds.

MrBrian

enharmonic wrote:

Bin Ladin's son was dispatched to Lebanon. That info was broadcast on Al Jazeera. Osama has a bunch of kids, but the one they're talking about has been called a carbon copy of Osama. Thing is, he might even be worse because he gets to learn from his father's mistakes.

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or he could be better, not making the same mistakes his dad made. maybe he could use his power in a more positive way to beat the west.

enharmonic

MrBrian wrote:

or he could be better, not making the same mistakes his dad made. maybe he could use his power in a more positive way to beat the west.

If he were to do away with terrorism as part and parcel of his method of operation. I personally happen to believe that he will instead improve upon his father's shortcomings, and take terror to the next level. That is pretty damned frightening.

El_Kabong

enharmonic wrote:

If he were to do away with terrorism as part and parcel of his method of operation. I personally happen to believe that he will instead improve upon his father's shortcomings, and take terror to the next level. That is pretty damned frightening.

ok guys, so about the explosives in the wtc's...?

enharmonic

El_Kabong wrote:

ok guys, so about the explosives in the wtc's...?

Entirely possible.

It would also explain why the material was sent to the far east to be melted down. That was a crime scene. Explosives would have left a residue that is easilly tested for. There are refineries as close as Pittsburgh that could have melted down the WTC steel. Why put it on a boat and send it half way around the world?

I understand the need to clean it up as quickly as possible after the recovery efforts, but it was still a crime scene. Sadly, someone wanted that evidence destroyed before it could be analized.

bootlegger10

But if they planted explosives a day or two before, wouldn't it take a while for the bombs to sprout from their little seeds? I for one know for a fact that it takes at least two weeks for an explosive to grow into a bomb. I'm sure you'll find some left-wing article that proves me wrong though.

Edit: Not "left-wing," but "America hating." Well, maybe Freedom hating. I can't choose.

bootlegger10

As inept as you all believe our government is, to pull off what would probably be the biggest conspiracy theory of all time would be pretty darn....uh.....um....not inept.

sonicreducer

bootlegger10 wrote:

As inept as you all believe our government is, to pull off what would probably be the biggest conspiracy theory of all time would be pretty darn....uh.....um....not inept.

secretive, shady, corrupt, unconstitutional, UGLY,... only a few words of a brazillian to describe these people. but i guarantee they aren't inept. these fuckers are intelligent and really dirty. or at least someone is, not the puppets,...

and thanks for the link kabong.

Ahnimus

All signs point to yes.

Unfortunately the evidence does appear to show explosives were used in the WTC sites. The NIST report stated that sulfur attacked the steel in a solid-state difusion. While the steel in non-failure points was about 0.02 mg/something meeting specifications and of course Underwriter Laboratories confirmed the steel met specifications for sulfur content.

I think that's the biggest smoking gun. We can find a lot of different ways bombs were planted and so on. But this metallurgic analysis of the WTC steel, reported on by the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) says it all. The facts are there, but if you only read the first few pages of the lengthy report, they imply that planes alone brought the buildings down, when that's not what their analysis implies at all.

For anyone who cares what happened on 9-11 read the official reports they speak 100,000 words, literally, maybe more.

bootlegger10

sonicreducer wrote:

secretive, shady, corrupt, unconstitutional, UGLY,... only a few words of a brazillian to describe these people. but i guarantee they aren't inept. these fuckers are intelligent and really dirty. or at least someone is, not the puppets,...

and thanks for the link kabong.

I'm sure if you try really hard you can troll for articles too!

sonicreducer

bootlegger10 wrote:

I'm sure if you try really hard you can troll for articles too!

a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages on the internet, such as on online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants

A Moving Train - politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - WE CAN ALL LEARN SOMETHING NEW.

what was unreasonable about kabong's message?

bootlegger10

sonicreducer wrote:

a troll is a person who posts inflammatory messages on the internet, such as on online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants

A Moving Train - politics, current events - reasoned debate and discussion - WE CAN ALL LEARN SOMETHING NEW.

what was unreasonable about kabong's message?

Nothing. I come on here every once in a while (moreso in the last week because the debates have been funny) and I see the same folks posting multiple articles a day from these obscure websites. I think it is a little pathetic, that's all. Cut and paste, cut and paste, cut and paste. All this cut and paste and still no solid proof that there was a conspiracy.

bootlegger10

Sorry, double post.