My point was always that I thought it was pathetic that a few folks on here (on both sides) spend so much time posting these articles. I would say get a life. Never said cutting and pasting was wrong.
So a life would mean calling others pathetic and saying that they have no life? No thanks.
No, I just think it is pathetic that you spend so much time on Pearl Jam message board posting articles, wherever they may come from. It is also pathetic that they all seem to have a liberal twinge to them. If you really wanted to get at truth, you'd post ideas from both sides.
i haven't even been here for like 3 days...and i thought this was a political/current events forum, that's why i post articles here
i think it's pathetic that you can't say WHY you disagree, just call ppl names
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
If you think the World Trade Center was wired with explosives, that's just point blank moronic.
and thinking a passport belonging to one of the hijackers miraculously escaped the fires and flew from the burning airplane, out of the building and onto the ground to be found is....what?
btw, great job of convincing me of your point. add that to the presidential debate
<long discourse on the war>
and mr president, what do you think?
i think he's a moron but i won't bother explaining why!
:rolleyes:
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
and thinking a passport belonging to one of the hijackers miraculously escaped the fires and flew from the burning airplane, out of the building and onto the ground to be found is....what?
btw, great job of convincing me of your point. add that to the presidential debate
<long discourse on the war>
and mr president, what do you think?
i think he's a moron but i won't bother explaining why!
:rolleyes:
In the end people believe what they want to believe. You want to believe we did this to ourselves. He wants to believe we didn't.
Prove that the building was wired with explosives. Don't give me circumstantial evidence that wouldn't pass in court. Prove it!
the way it fell straight down, even wtc7 which wasn't hit by any planes...prove to me it wasn't. you can't and neither can i, that's why we have to rely on information and make up our own minds.
when i factor in stripping NORAD and other commanders of engagement orders dealing w/ hijacked aircraft 2 months before 9/11 (and given to rummy alone), the fact that these are the only 3 steel framed buildings to collapse from fires (again, even wtc7 which wasn't hit by a plane), pnac saying the only way they can get enough support for their agendas is thru a "new pearl harbor" in september 2000 (again, rummy, cheney, wolfowitz, perle's...names pop up), i could go on and on...this would be where YOU would tell me why you don't believe it and we can DISCUSS. but all you can do is resort to petty name calling, oh well
it didn't hurt my feelings at all, i just would rather some SUBSTANCE in the replies or actual counterpoints instead of a waste of space
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
In the end people believe what they want to believe. You want to believe we did this to ourselves. He wants to believe we didn't.
a discussion requires more than saying 'nuh-uh, you're pathetic!' or 'i disagree, you're a moron'. instead try something like "i disagree because...-name calling" when you sink to that pettyness it only takes away from your supposed point. they can disagree all they want, but i'm not gonna call them names b/c i disagree
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Proof? Can you prove it wasn't? Anyway, why do people need proof. We rode to war on hypotheticals and untruths. No proof of WMD's and people still believe they're there. It's not a matter of proof. It's a matter of what people are comfortable with. People are comfortable thinking that we're trying to deweaponize someone with WMDs. People ARE not comfortable thinking that the WTC could've been rigged.
Proof? Can you prove it wasn't? Anyway, why do people need proof. We rode to war on hypotheticals and untruths. No proof of WMD's and people still believe they're there. It's not a matter of proof. It's a matter of what people are comfortable with. People are comfortable knowing that we're trying to deweaponize someone with WMDs. People ARE not comfortable thinking that the WTC could've been rigged.
If there is no proof for us taking down the WTC, then why are people on here so eager to believe it? Your failure to prove it was an inside job is my current proof that it wasn't. The burden is on you. Too many people involved in this conspiracy to keep quiet. That's my reasoning why we didn't do it.
It's like with abortion. Neither side can prove a fetus is not a human being, but the abortionists want to kill the fetus so badly they don't care about proof. People hate our government so much that the small scrap of circumstancial evidence that we blew up the WTC makes them foam at the mouth.
a discussion requires more than saying 'nuh-uh, you're pathetic!' or 'i disagree, you're a moron'. instead try something like "i disagree because...-name calling" when you sink to that pettyness it only takes away from your supposed point. they can disagree all they want, but i'm not gonna call them names b/c i disagree
You haven't proven anything yet. That's all I'm saying. You haven't proven anything yet. You've got a nice plot line though. You know what another explanation is for what happened in this article you posted? Hint: They could have actually been there to do what they say they were doing. Maybe you're right, but there is nothing that you've said so far that proves it.
My point was always that I thought it was pathetic that a few folks on here (on both sides) spend so much time posting these articles. I would say get a life. Never said cutting and pasting was wrong.
Get a life? How is it lacking in a life to pass along information? I guess i should go spend more time posting about how much Yield rocks on the porch or something so I can have a life like you. People can want to do different things with their time, it doesn't make their activities anymore or less meaningful than what you choose to do with your own time. So now it's all about that you care how much of a life some of us have? Puh-lease....
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Of course not on every issue. But if your end goal was to get at truth, you would think that at least once in a while you would post an article that goes against what you were hoping would be truth. My point is that the articles posted are only the ones that support the 'truth' the poster wants be 'truth.' .
Just dropping you a little clue...People tend to post things they believe in. It's your job to post the other side if you care enough for it to be represented.
Get a life? How is it lacking in a life to pass along information? I guess i should go spend more time posting about how much Yield rocks on the porch or something so I can have a life like you. People can want to do different things with their time, it doesn't make their activities anymore or less meaningful than what you choose to do with your own time. So now it's all about that you care how much of a life some of us have? Puh-lease....
I don't care whether or not you have a life. I'm just stating that posting articles non-stop is pathetic. I guess I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Maybe I'll go to Iran, Palestine, or Lebanon. From what I hear on here they seem like nice places. Not like evil America and Israel.
Huh? I don't know what point you are trying to make here.
All this talk about truth reminded me of I believe the Philly or Pittsburgh show back in 2003 where Ed turned "Hide Your Love Away" into some political song about us being lied to and hiding the truth. I thought that was annoying.
Just dropping you a little clue...People tend to post things they believe in. It's your job to post the other side if you care enough for it to be represented.
Here's a little hint: I don't care enough to be represented. I just like to argue with liberals who think they know everything even though they only research one side of an issue.
If there is no proof for us taking down the WTC, then why are people on here so eager to believe it? Your failure to prove it was an inside job is my current proof that it wasn't. The burden is on you. Too many people involved in this conspiracy to keep quiet. That's my reasoning why we didn't do it.
It's like with abortion. Neither side can prove a fetus is not a human being, but the abortionists want to kill the fetus so badly they don't care about proof. People hate our government so much that the small scrap of circumstancial evidence that we blew up the WTC makes them foam at the mouth.
Why, now suddenly, is proof necessary when it comes to making big decisions (such as getting another investigation going). It's okay to go to war without proof. Yes, I realize that I'm straying from the main idea, but I'm trying to make a point. A lot of the same people on here who stand behind the war have no proof that any of the reasons the Bush administration gave are valid. Yet, they demand proof when someone says something they don't agree on.
You haven't proven anything yet. That's all I'm saying. You haven't proven anything yet. You've got a nice plot line though. You know what another explanation is for what happened in this article you posted? Hint: They could have actually been there to do what they say they were doing. Maybe you're right, but there is nothing that you've said so far that proves it.
and taking the authority to engage hijacked aircraft away from NORAD and the military 2 months before 9/11 and giving it to rummy is just a coinkydink, eh? i wonder if they still had that authority 3 of those planes would've hit their targets? somehow, i doubt it.
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Is it really so difficult to believe that the US goverment would sacrifice a mass amount of their own citizens lives in order to advance a political agenda? Have you paid attention at all to the history of the country or even what has been ongoing since 9/11 went down?
Is it really so difficult to believe that the US goverment would sacrifice a mass amount of their own citizens lives in order to advance a political agenda? Have you paid attention at all to the history of the country or even what has been ongoing since 9/11 went down?
Here's a little hint: I don't care enough to be represented. I just like to argue with liberals who think they know everything even though they only research one side of an issue.
If you don't care enough to be represented then don't blame me if feel it's not being represented. That tells me you don't really care about these issues anyway. I don't just research one side and then that's it. I posted my finding here where I know they will be debated and challenged by those who see it differently. If I didn't care to hear the other side then there are plenty of liberal slanted boards I could go to. I will never consider you pathetic for expressing your viewpoint.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
All this talk about truth reminded me of I believe the Philly or Pittsburgh show back in 2003 where Ed turned "Hide Your Love Away" into some political song about us being lied to and hiding the truth. I thought that was annoying.
For him maybe it is. Songs and other forms of art are always open to interpretaion.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Is it really so difficult to believe that the US goverment would sacrifice a mass amount of their own citizens lives in order to advance a political agenda? Have you paid attention at all to the history of the country or even what has been ongoing since 9/11 went down?
under 3,000 isn't even a 'mass amount' of american citizens...it's only a fraction of a %...they've done far worse to far more us citizen or not
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
There's always new information out there to be discussed about any issue be it Israel/Lebabnon, Global Warming, you name it....
Don't try to supress the sharing of information because you don't agree with the conclusion others have came to because of it. Express why you think they may be wrong about it.
Please be aware that the sharing of wacko theories and the sharing of information is two different things.
I love the "some firefighters said it sounded like bombs going off". Gee, why the fuck would a mega-ton building that was shifting, burning, and getting ready to collapse make loud noises, that people who know nothing about bombs would compare these sounds to a bomb? I bet you knuckleheads jump every time a car backfires, cuz it "sounded like a gun". Maybe your Pinto isnt really breaking down, its GW Bush and Cheney shooting at you!!! Run!!!!!!!!!!
really, thanks for all the laughs you guys give us people down here on planet earth. We really appreciate it.
If you don't care enough to be represented then don't blame me if feel it's not being represented. That tells me you don't really care about these issues anyway. I don't just research one side and then that's it. I posted my finding here where I know they will be debated and challenged by those who see it differently. If I didn't care to hear the other side then there are plenty of liberal slanted boards I could go to. I will never consider you pathetic for expressing your viewpoint.
Can you spare us the drama and refrain from using the term "supressed." How is an internet poster supressing you? Basically, a resonable person is calling far left wing fringe posters what they are....fringe posters. That's not supressing your point of view, but it's pointless to engage people so far moved from reality. Again, this isn't a supression of your view, it's a statement that you are irrelevent.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Please be aware that the sharing of wacko theories and the sharing of information is two different things.
I love the "some firefighters said it sounded like bombs going off". Gee, why the fuck would a mega-ton building that was shifting, burning, and getting ready to collapse make loud noises, that people who know nothing about bombs would compare these sounds to a bomb? I bet you knuckleheads jump every time a car backfires, cuz it "sounded like a gun". Maybe your Pinto isnt really breaking down, its GW Bush and Cheney shooting at you!!! Run!!!!!!!!!!
really, thanks for all the laughs you guys give us people down here on planet earth. We really appreciate it.
Please be aware that more and more people everyday are changing their minds about 9/11 and are becoming more open to discussing the possibility of an inside job. I'vre had 3 people at work approach me about in the last week, one who had voted for Bush no less, and I was surprised to say the least. But it felt good knowing that there are people who don't reject other possibilities and are open enough to at least discuss them civilly without all the contempt and child remarks. So much can come from open discussion, at the very least you are able to disagree and let your points be heard...being childish accomplishes nothing.
The rest of your reply doesn't deserve a response.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Can you spare us the drama and refrain from using the term "supressed." How is an internet poster supressing you? Basically, a resonable person is calling far left wing fringe posters what they are....fringe posters. That's not supressing your point of view, but it's pointless to engage people so far moved from reality. Again, this isn't a supression of your view, it's a statement that you are irrelevent.
He wanted to supress us and that's what I stated. He said he didn't care to hear what we had to say and wanted us to stop posting it. Shutting yourself out to otherview points is close minded. I, at least, read and discuss topics I disagree with instead of bashing the messenger.
I'm no more irrelevent than you are.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Again, he was not supressing you. I know victimization is key to your philosophy, but seriously, he is a poster equal to you, how can he supress you? What he did do, admittedly not as efficiently as you did yourself, is to call extremist opinions as just that, extremist opinions. That's not supression. It's the realization it's pointless to engage in ridiculous arguments.
And you ask me what I want this year
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Again, he was not supressing you. I know victimization is key to your philosophy, but seriously, he is a poster equal to you, how can he supress you? What he did do, admittedly not as efficiently as you did yourself, is to call extremist opinions as just that, extremist opinions. That's not supression. It's the realization it's pointless to engage in ridiculous arguments.
Do you understand the difference between wanting to do something and actually having the power to do it? He said he didn't want us to copy and paste these articles. Thats is wanting supression of a certain way of expressing ones self. If you don't care to discuss it then don't. I think it's ridiculous to shut yourself off from stances that may challenge the way you currently think...but hey, that's me.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
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So a life would mean calling others pathetic and saying that they have no life? No thanks.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
And not to think is just point blank moronic. See how saying things that don't contribute any information don't really get anything done?
i haven't even been here for like 3 days...and i thought this was a political/current events forum, that's why i post articles here
i think it's pathetic that you can't say WHY you disagree, just call ppl names
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
and thinking a passport belonging to one of the hijackers miraculously escaped the fires and flew from the burning airplane, out of the building and onto the ground to be found is....what?
btw, great job of convincing me of your point. add that to the presidential debate
<long discourse on the war>
and mr president, what do you think?
i think he's a moron but i won't bother explaining why!
:rolleyes:
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Prove that the building was wired with explosives. Don't give me circumstantial evidence that wouldn't pass in court. Prove it!
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
In the end people believe what they want to believe. You want to believe we did this to ourselves. He wants to believe we didn't.
the way it fell straight down, even wtc7 which wasn't hit by any planes...prove to me it wasn't. you can't and neither can i, that's why we have to rely on information and make up our own minds.
when i factor in stripping NORAD and other commanders of engagement orders dealing w/ hijacked aircraft 2 months before 9/11 (and given to rummy alone), the fact that these are the only 3 steel framed buildings to collapse from fires (again, even wtc7 which wasn't hit by a plane), pnac saying the only way they can get enough support for their agendas is thru a "new pearl harbor" in september 2000 (again, rummy, cheney, wolfowitz, perle's...names pop up), i could go on and on...this would be where YOU would tell me why you don't believe it and we can DISCUSS. but all you can do is resort to petty name calling, oh well
it didn't hurt my feelings at all, i just would rather some SUBSTANCE in the replies or actual counterpoints instead of a waste of space
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
a discussion requires more than saying 'nuh-uh, you're pathetic!' or 'i disagree, you're a moron'. instead try something like "i disagree because...-name calling" when you sink to that pettyness it only takes away from your supposed point. they can disagree all they want, but i'm not gonna call them names b/c i disagree
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
If there is no proof for us taking down the WTC, then why are people on here so eager to believe it? Your failure to prove it was an inside job is my current proof that it wasn't. The burden is on you. Too many people involved in this conspiracy to keep quiet. That's my reasoning why we didn't do it.
It's like with abortion. Neither side can prove a fetus is not a human being, but the abortionists want to kill the fetus so badly they don't care about proof. People hate our government so much that the small scrap of circumstancial evidence that we blew up the WTC makes them foam at the mouth.
You haven't proven anything yet. That's all I'm saying. You haven't proven anything yet. You've got a nice plot line though. You know what another explanation is for what happened in this article you posted? Hint: They could have actually been there to do what they say they were doing. Maybe you're right, but there is nothing that you've said so far that proves it.
Get a life? How is it lacking in a life to pass along information? I guess i should go spend more time posting about how much Yield rocks on the porch or something so I can have a life like you. People can want to do different things with their time, it doesn't make their activities anymore or less meaningful than what you choose to do with your own time. So now it's all about that you care how much of a life some of us have? Puh-lease....
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Just dropping you a little clue...People tend to post things they believe in. It's your job to post the other side if you care enough for it to be represented.
Huh? I don't know what point you are trying to make here.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't care whether or not you have a life. I'm just stating that posting articles non-stop is pathetic. I guess I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Maybe I'll go to Iran, Palestine, or Lebanon. From what I hear on here they seem like nice places. Not like evil America and Israel.
All this talk about truth reminded me of I believe the Philly or Pittsburgh show back in 2003 where Ed turned "Hide Your Love Away" into some political song about us being lied to and hiding the truth. I thought that was annoying.
Here's a little hint: I don't care enough to be represented. I just like to argue with liberals who think they know everything even though they only research one side of an issue.
Why, now suddenly, is proof necessary when it comes to making big decisions (such as getting another investigation going). It's okay to go to war without proof. Yes, I realize that I'm straying from the main idea, but I'm trying to make a point. A lot of the same people on here who stand behind the war have no proof that any of the reasons the Bush administration gave are valid. Yet, they demand proof when someone says something they don't agree on.
and taking the authority to engage hijacked aircraft away from NORAD and the military 2 months before 9/11 and giving it to rummy is just a coinkydink, eh? i wonder if they still had that authority 3 of those planes would've hit their targets? somehow, i doubt it.
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
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That's why it should be easy to believe.
If you don't care enough to be represented then don't blame me if feel it's not being represented. That tells me you don't really care about these issues anyway. I don't just research one side and then that's it. I posted my finding here where I know they will be debated and challenged by those who see it differently. If I didn't care to hear the other side then there are plenty of liberal slanted boards I could go to. I will never consider you pathetic for expressing your viewpoint.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
For him maybe it is. Songs and other forms of art are always open to interpretaion.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
under 3,000 isn't even a 'mass amount' of american citizens...it's only a fraction of a %...they've done far worse to far more us citizen or not
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Please be aware that the sharing of wacko theories and the sharing of information is two different things.
I love the "some firefighters said it sounded like bombs going off". Gee, why the fuck would a mega-ton building that was shifting, burning, and getting ready to collapse make loud noises, that people who know nothing about bombs would compare these sounds to a bomb? I bet you knuckleheads jump every time a car backfires, cuz it "sounded like a gun". Maybe your Pinto isnt really breaking down, its GW Bush and Cheney shooting at you!!! Run!!!!!!!!!!
really, thanks for all the laughs you guys give us people down here on planet earth. We really appreciate it.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
Can you spare us the drama and refrain from using the term "supressed." How is an internet poster supressing you? Basically, a resonable person is calling far left wing fringe posters what they are....fringe posters. That's not supressing your point of view, but it's pointless to engage people so far moved from reality. Again, this isn't a supression of your view, it's a statement that you are irrelevent.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Please be aware that more and more people everyday are changing their minds about 9/11 and are becoming more open to discussing the possibility of an inside job. I'vre had 3 people at work approach me about in the last week, one who had voted for Bush no less, and I was surprised to say the least. But it felt good knowing that there are people who don't reject other possibilities and are open enough to at least discuss them civilly without all the contempt and child remarks. So much can come from open discussion, at the very least you are able to disagree and let your points be heard...being childish accomplishes nothing.
The rest of your reply doesn't deserve a response.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
He wanted to supress us and that's what I stated. He said he didn't care to hear what we had to say and wanted us to stop posting it. Shutting yourself out to otherview points is close minded. I, at least, read and discuss topics I disagree with instead of bashing the messenger.
I'm no more irrelevent than you are.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Again, he was not supressing you. I know victimization is key to your philosophy, but seriously, he is a poster equal to you, how can he supress you? What he did do, admittedly not as efficiently as you did yourself, is to call extremist opinions as just that, extremist opinions. That's not supression. It's the realization it's pointless to engage in ridiculous arguments.
And I try to make this kind and clear
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
And desire and love and empty things
Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
Do you understand the difference between wanting to do something and actually having the power to do it? He said he didn't want us to copy and paste these articles. Thats is wanting supression of a certain way of expressing ones self. If you don't care to discuss it then don't. I think it's ridiculous to shut yourself off from stances that may challenge the way you currently think...but hey, that's me.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde