No, actually you are. You believe in a massive conspiracy theory that really makes no sense, and for which there is no proof. Furthermore, to except your theory would mean ignoring the fact that Bin Laden took responsibility for the attack. Or wait!!! Bin Laden was working for the US.!!! I get it. Finally. And the whole reason they did it was because they needed to deflect attention from the UFOs in Nevada. My God!!! The world is being invaded by aliens!!!!!!!!!! OH GOD SAVE US PLEASE!!!!!
Do you understand the difference between wanting to do something and actually having the power to do it? He said he didn't want us to copy and paste these articles. Thats is wanting supression of a certain way of expressing ones self. If you don't care to discuss it then don't. I think it's ridiculous to shut yourself off from stances that may challenge the way you currently think...but hey, that's me.
He didn't say he wanted you not to post your conspiracy crap. He said he thought it was pathetic. Do you understand the difference? And you think it's ridiculous to shut yourself off from stances that may challenge the way you currently think? Well then, Israel is the greatest country in the world. There is none better. Now don't go disagreeing with me because that would be shutting yourself off from a stance that may challenge the way you currently think, and we wouldn't want to do that now would we?
Look we get it. 9/11 was a conspiracy! You and your buddies already know it, why keep creating a thousand threads stating the same thing?? Are you trying to convince yourelf?????? WTF?
this information was new to me...so i don't see how posting it would be in any way "creating a thousand threads stating the same thing."
ds
And no one sings me lullabyes
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....
this information was new to me...so i don't see how posting it would be in any way "creating a thousand threads stating the same thing."
ds
I hope you aren't taken in by these guys. What they've posted isn't information. It's the fevered imaginings of paranoid conspiracy buffs obsessed with the belief that our own government is the root of all evil.
He didn't say he wanted you not to post your conspiracy crap. He said he thought it was pathetic. Do you understand the difference? And you think it's ridiculous to shut yourself off from stances that may challenge the way you currently think? Well then, Israel is the greatest country in the world. There is none better. Now don't go disagreeing with me because that would be shutting yourself off from a stance that may challenge the way you currently think, and we wouldn't want to do that now would we?
He said it was pathetic to post it and we needed get a life. I took that as not wanting to it to be posted. Maybe I was wrong, maybe he was encouraging us to post these things and really using reverse psychology. I understand that people disgaree and have never discouraged anyone from posting what they believe in, that's the difference. If you disagree then post reasons and points that prove me wrong. The only thing I see as pointless is all this mud slinging and childish tantrums.
I disagree with what you said about Israel but I can engage in a civil discussion to express my disagreement. I have to at least listen to what you're saying to debate it, so it's not shutting it out.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
No, actually you are. You believe in a massive conspiracy theory that really makes no sense, and for which there is no proof. Furthermore, to except your theory would mean ignoring the fact that Bin Laden took responsibility for the attack. Or wait!!! Bin Laden was working for the US.!!! I get it. Finally. And the whole reason they did it was because they needed to deflect attention from the UFOs in Nevada. My God!!! The world is being invaded by aliens!!!!!!!!!! OH GOD SAVE US PLEASE!!!!!
to think that 9/11 was an inside job is not in the same category of someone claiming the world is being invaded by aliens. i think you are overreacting. i can't remember the last time, if ever, that someone on this board said anything about aliens. these are all intelligent people. in my opinion, it is stupid not to question the official explanation. there are too many questions left unanswered. there are too many dots that aren't connected.
and seriously,... there are quotes of bin laden saying he had nothing to do with 9/11 and quotes saying he took responsiblity for it. both from credible sources,... that is just one confusing aspect of many concerning 9/11.
you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
~Ron Burgundy
Some of us think that they are both in the same category.
So you think that all the questions we have posed are crazy and without merit? You've never thought that any of these points were at least interesting and worth looking into further? What have we become when we just stick with whatever we thought in the first place and never change our minds no matter what new points are brought to light. You don't have to believe it but it's not crazier than anything else including the official story.
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
Some of us think that they are both in the same category.
i guess i have to respect that, but with all the evidence and lack of evidence and lies and on and on,... by the way, people have different beliefs in how "the inside job" may have taken place. not all of them are that farfetched. so don't categorize all of the conspiracies into one big ridiculous one.
you're a real hooker. im gonna slap you in public.
~Ron Burgundy
So you think that all the questions we have posed are crazy and without merit? You've never thought that any of these points were at least interesting and worth looking into further? What have we become when we just stick with whatever we thought in the first place and never change our minds no matter what new points are brought to light. You don't have to believe it but it's not crazier than anything else including the official story.
I think it is always worthwhile to ask questions. I'm a big fan of the "question authority" mantra. So I've questioned the moon landing, UFOs and 9/11 and believe they all fall into the category of science fiction. Others are absolutely free to continue to question any and/or all of the above to their heart's content. I'm just saying that for me, they all fall into the same category, and I assign no merit to any of them.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
I think it is always worthwhile to ask questions. I'm a big fan of the "question authority" mantra. So I've questioned the moon landing, UFOs and 9/11 and believe they all fall into the category of science fiction. Others are absolutely free to continue to question any and/or all of the above to their heart's content. I'm just saying that for me, they all fall into the same category, and I assign no merit to any of them.
Fair enough...
Care to share with me any particular you reason you believe they lack merit?
If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
well can you tell me who it is? everytime i click on the link it says done at the bottom but it's just a blank page
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i guess all of these ppl are just wrong about saying they heard and felt explosions...
i particularly like the quote:
"i spoke to the chief of safety of the new york fire department...he thinks there were secondary devices which were actually planted in the building"
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
if it just collapsed why did so much of the building disintegrate? things fall down but don't turn to dust
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
will that explain why building 7 fell perfectly straight down when it wasn't hit by any planes?
standin above the crowd
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Exactly How and When Could the WTC Be Wired With Explosives? Answer...
Repost from Progressive Review 23 Apr 2004 17:00 GMT
Many researchers have concluded the World Trade Center was wired with explosives, causing the unprecedented collapse following the impacts of two jumbo jets. In fact, NYC firefighters remarked that day that it seemed like bombs were going off in the buildings, just prior to the tower's collapse. One glaring question remains unanswered: exactly how and when could such a monumental undertaking be accomplished. Read on for the answer...
Feedback from the Progressive Review's Undernews for April 22, 2004.
||| SEP 11
WE RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING from someone who worked for Fiduciary Trust on the 90th, 94-97th floors of the South Tower:
"On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ...
"Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower. I was at home on the morning of 9/11 on the shore of Jersey City, right opposite the Towers, and watching events unfold I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work."
http://publish.indymedia.org/en/2004/04/852277.shtml
Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down
Victor Thorn 25 Apr 2004 20:17 GMT
Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place.
Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place. Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth.
Forbes stated that Fiduciary Trust was one of the WTC’s first occupants after it was erected, and that a “power-down” had never been initiated prior to this occasion. He also stated that his company put forth a huge investment in time and resources to take down their computer systems due to the deliberate power outage. This process, Forbes recalled, began early Saturday morning (September 8th) and continued until mid-Sunday afternoon (September 9th) – approximately 30 hours. As a result of having its electricity cut, the WTC’s security cameras were rendered inoperative, as were its I.D. systems, and elevators to the upper floors.
Forbes did stress, though, that there was power to the WTC’s lower floors, and that there were plenty of engineers going in-and-out of the WTC who had free access throughout the building due to its security system being knocked out. In an e-mail to journalist John Kaminski, author of The Day America Died (Sisyphus Press) and America’s Autopsy Report (Dandelion Books), Forbes wrote: “Without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors, and many, many ‘engineers’ coming in and out of the tower.”
Forbes didn’t think much of these occurrences at the time, and said that he worked until Monday morning (September 10th) to get all the computer systems back online. Due to his IT-related duties on Saturday & Sunday, Forbes had Tuesday, September 11th off, and thus watched the World Trade Center towers collapse from his apartment. While doing so, he recalled, “I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work.”
In addition, Forbes says there were other peculiarities revolving around this unreported event, including:
1) Fiduciary employees trapped between the 90-97th floors of the South Tower told family members (via cell-phone calls) that they were hearing “bomb-like explosions” throughout the towers.
2) Video cameras positioned atop the World Trade Center which were used to feed daily images to local television stations were inexplicably inoperative that morning.
3) A Fiduciary employee who was on one of the lower floors and escaped immediately after the first (North) tower was struck, reported that he was amazed by the large number of FBI agents that were already on the streets surrounding the WTC complex only minutes after the initial strike.
4) Last but not least, Ann Tatlock, CEO of Fiduciary Trust and now a board member of Franklin Templeton, had just arrived at a conference hosted by Warren Buffet at the Offutt Air Force Base (home of the U.S. Strategic Command Headquarters in Omaha, Nebraska) when the 9-11 attacks took place. Coincidentally, later that day President George W. Bush flew into this very same base on Air Force One for “security reasons.” Even more chilling are the Offutt AFB ties to the CIA’s MK ULTRA experiments, Project Monarch, the Franklin Cover-Up, and the diabolical practices of Michael Aquino. (Type any of these words into a search engine for more information.)
In the end, Forbes says that even though these disclosures could jeopardize his current employment, he has stepped forward because, “I have mailed this information to many people, including the 9/11 Commission, but no one seems to be registering these facts.”
Obviously there are many unanswered questions to this story, and we will keep you updated as more information arrives.
Wow. I'm convinced. There was a scheduled "power down" at my company's datacenter the other day. Should I be worried? Obviously there are many unanswered questions and I hope someone will keep me updated as more information arrives.
Go talk to a structural engineer and they'll tell you how the towers came down. All you conspiracy nuts can argue until judgement day as far as I'm concerned. I suppose you think the Halocaust was made up too. There's no shortage of half-wits in this world, this thread proves that quite nicely.
one foot in the door
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
Ok so even if from 50 up the power was shut down and the security cameras were cut. Wouldn't there be some video from the first 50 floors of engineers carrying the explosive charges around and placing them? Is it really possible to lay all the charges needed to bring down a building of that size in 30 hours? People want to believe so badly that it was an inside job, that they are willing to skip over logic, I wonder why that is?
Ok so even if from 50 up the power was shut down and the security cameras were cut. Wouldn't there be some video from the first 50 floors of engineers carrying the explosive charges around and placing them? Is it really possible to lay all the charges needed to bring down a building of that size in 30 hours? People want to believe so badly that it was an inside job, that they are willing to skip over logic, I wonder why that is?
Valid question....I am one undecided I really dunno what to believe...however your quote "they are willing to skip over logic" can most definetly be applied to anything really...it all comes down to indivdual opinion....for me there are way more questions than answers...questions that were not asked at the offical commission....and that need to be asked....and the best way to do away with the theory is have those in the sensitive positions come defend themselves and answer the questions which were not asked...not hard if they are not lying....to me there was something lacking in the official investigation...everything was done so quick....for something so grand in scale a more detailed investigation should have been completed....
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He didn't say he wanted you not to post your conspiracy crap. He said he thought it was pathetic. Do you understand the difference? And you think it's ridiculous to shut yourself off from stances that may challenge the way you currently think? Well then, Israel is the greatest country in the world. There is none better. Now don't go disagreeing with me because that would be shutting yourself off from a stance that may challenge the way you currently think, and we wouldn't want to do that now would we?
this information was new to me...so i don't see how posting it would be in any way "creating a thousand threads stating the same thing."
ds
And no one makes me close my eyes
So I throw the windows wide
And call to you across the sky....
I hope you aren't taken in by these guys. What they've posted isn't information. It's the fevered imaginings of paranoid conspiracy buffs obsessed with the belief that our own government is the root of all evil.
ok, now I feel validated by posting my truths about hezbollah.
Thanks!
He said it was pathetic to post it and we needed get a life. I took that as not wanting to it to be posted. Maybe I was wrong, maybe he was encouraging us to post these things and really using reverse psychology. I understand that people disgaree and have never discouraged anyone from posting what they believe in, that's the difference. If you disagree then post reasons and points that prove me wrong. The only thing I see as pointless is all this mud slinging and childish tantrums.
I disagree with what you said about Israel but I can engage in a civil discussion to express my disagreement. I have to at least listen to what you're saying to debate it, so it's not shutting it out.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
to think that 9/11 was an inside job is not in the same category of someone claiming the world is being invaded by aliens. i think you are overreacting. i can't remember the last time, if ever, that someone on this board said anything about aliens. these are all intelligent people. in my opinion, it is stupid not to question the official explanation. there are too many questions left unanswered. there are too many dots that aren't connected.
and seriously,... there are quotes of bin laden saying he had nothing to do with 9/11 and quotes saying he took responsiblity for it. both from credible sources,... that is just one confusing aspect of many concerning 9/11.
~Ron Burgundy
Some of us think that they are both in the same category.
So you think that all the questions we have posed are crazy and without merit? You've never thought that any of these points were at least interesting and worth looking into further? What have we become when we just stick with whatever we thought in the first place and never change our minds no matter what new points are brought to light. You don't have to believe it but it's not crazier than anything else including the official story.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
i guess i have to respect that, but with all the evidence and lack of evidence and lies and on and on,... by the way, people have different beliefs in how "the inside job" may have taken place. not all of them are that farfetched. so don't categorize all of the conspiracies into one big ridiculous one.
~Ron Burgundy
I think it is always worthwhile to ask questions. I'm a big fan of the "question authority" mantra. So I've questioned the moon landing, UFOs and 9/11 and believe they all fall into the category of science fiction. Others are absolutely free to continue to question any and/or all of the above to their heart's content. I'm just saying that for me, they all fall into the same category, and I assign no merit to any of them.
I think there are black helicopters flying over my house.
I think my phones are bugged.
George Washington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJIMbBcZgwc
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Alex Jones could not be reached for comment.
George Washington
Fair enough...
Care to share with me any particular you reason you believe they lack merit?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
What reasons led you to believe black helicopters are flying over your home and your phones are bugged?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
I don't vote democrat, anymore.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
-Oscar Wilde
a blank screen planted them??
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
well can you tell me who it is? everytime i click on the link it says done at the bottom but it's just a blank page
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
bigfoot. what an asshole.
~Ron Burgundy
god damn him...tenacious d was right about him!
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
i guess all of these ppl are just wrong about saying they heard and felt explosions...
i particularly like the quote:
"i spoke to the chief of safety of the new york fire department...he thinks there were secondary devices which were actually planted in the building"
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
get a physics degree, you'll understand then.
www.myspace.com/jensvad
will that explain why building 7 fell perfectly straight down when it wasn't hit by any planes?
he had a voice that was strong and loud and
i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
eager to identify with
someone above the crowd
someone who seemed to feel the same
someone prepared to lead the way
Wow. I'm convinced. There was a scheduled "power down" at my company's datacenter the other day. Should I be worried? Obviously there are many unanswered questions and I hope someone will keep me updated as more information arrives.
the other foot in the gutter
sweet smell that they adore
I think I'd rather smother
-The Replacements-
Valid question....I am one undecided I really dunno what to believe...however your quote "they are willing to skip over logic" can most definetly be applied to anything really...it all comes down to indivdual opinion....for me there are way more questions than answers...questions that were not asked at the offical commission....and that need to be asked....and the best way to do away with the theory is have those in the sensitive positions come defend themselves and answer the questions which were not asked...not hard if they are not lying....to me there was something lacking in the official investigation...everything was done so quick....for something so grand in scale a more detailed investigation should have been completed....