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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    so obvious he's completely incapable of explaining it. becos you dont know what the fuck you mean any more than we do. all you can do is paste more quotes to obscure the issue.

    I've tried to explain it for several threads now.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    this have anything to do with that truck that hit you?

    Uh no.
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  • Ahnimus wrote:
    It's sunday here, most people do their grocery shopping on the weekends, saturday is for drinking, sunday is for shopping :)

    'sunday is for shopping'? If you are a male, I want you to turn in your Guy Card. Seriously. That is just bottom drawer. Sundays are for football. Shopping is for the ladies. Bitch.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    'sunday is for shopping'? If you are a male, I want you to turn in your Guy Card. Seriously. That is just bottom drawer. Sundays are for football. Shopping is for the ladies. Bitch.

    Football is such a lame sport. Shopping is for responsible people that don't rely on others to do their chores.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Football is such a lame sport. Shopping is for responsible people that don't rely on others to do their chores.

    "You...you...I want to party with you, cowboy. The way you and you're friend tried to make it with that cow!? Forget about it."

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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    'sunday is for shopping'? If you are a male, I want you to turn in your Guy Card. Seriously. That is just bottom drawer. Sundays are for football. Shopping is for the ladies. Bitch.


    Ha ha. I think he was talking about groceries, not mall shopping. Boys have to eat too! But I agree with the Sundays are for football part.;)
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  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    baraka wrote:
    Wow! How did you know I was going grocery shopping? What external stimuli triggered your brain and brought you to that conclusion? ;)


    hmmm...i went grocery shopping tonight, too! :eek: are we in the univeral mind? are you turnin keys, are you settin ppl free?
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    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
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  • barakabaraka Posts: 1,268
    El_Kabong wrote:
    hmmm...i went grocery shopping tonight, too! :eek: are we in the univeral mind? are you turnin keys, are you settin ppl free?

    Ohh, it's getting spooky around here.....;)
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    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • El_Kabong wrote:
    an interesting quote i found:

    "At our best we beings are much, much grander than merely rational; at our best we transcend rationality while incorporating its procedures into our lower levels of functioning. This is why computers will never replace people, for they are condensed to be rational, and hence very limited."

    I'm curious how whomever said this arrived at such a conclusion.
  • I'm curious how whomever said this arrived at such a conclusion.

    Probably by just sitting, having a cup of coffee, and watching people's behavior for a few days.
  • Probably by just sitting, having a cup of coffee, and watching people's behavior for a few days.

    Couldn't a computer do that?
  • Couldn't a computer do that?

    No. You really have to have first person observation to really appreciate the stupidity of man. Computers can't do that.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    There are computers that interacts socially, here is one
    http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/sociable/videos.html
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • No. You really have to have first person observation to really appreciate the stupidity of man. Computers can't do that.

    Of course they can. Stupidity implies a rational standard. Computers are very good at measuring things against rational standards.
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    There are computers that interacts socially, here is one
    http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/sociable/videos.html

    That is not 'social interaction'. Incidentally, that wasn't even real grammar.
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    That is not 'social interaction'. Incidentally, that wasn't even real grammar.

    I didn't know you were an expert on such things.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    I didn't know you were an expert on such things.

    I did.
  • El_KabongEl_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    I'm curious how whomever said this arrived at such a conclusion.


    http://www.johntaylorgatto.com
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Of course they can. Stupidity implies a rational standard. Computers are very good at measuring things against rational standards.

    can you have an empathetic conversation with a computer? dont think so. a computer cannot handle any new circumstances it has not been programmed to confront. humans frequently adapt to new situations and can think creatively on their feet to respond to them.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    El_Kabong wrote:
    an interesting quote i found:

    "At our best we beings are much, much grander than merely rational; at our best we transcend rationality while incorporating its procedures into our lower levels of functioning. This is why computers will never replace people, for they are condensed to be rational, and hence very limited."

    every decision i have ever made in my adult life has been based on feeling. and every time i've dealt with the fallout. now i'm in a situation where i am being forced to use logic and i hate it. and i won't do it. thinking numbs my body. but then again so does feeling, but it a different kind of numb.
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  • can you have an empathetic conversation with a computer?

    Not to the extent that you can a person, no.
    dont think so. a computer cannot handle any new circumstances it has not been programmed to confront. humans frequently adapt to new situations and can think creatively on their feet to respond to them.

    You might want to remember these words and see how you feel about them in a generation or so.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Not to the extent that you can a person, no.



    You might want to remember these words and see how you feel about them in a generation or so.
    Do you foresee that we'll be able to program emotional intelligence into computers?
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  • angelica wrote:
    Do you foresee that we'll be able to program emotional intelligence into computers?

    Very much so, yes.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Very much so, yes.

    Interesting. I look forward to seeing that. How do you figure they will do it?
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    Very much so, yes.
    How do you feel now that you've been crowned "the King" in this thread. ;)
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  • angelica wrote:
    Interesting. I look forward to seeing that. How do you figure they will do it?

    The same way it was programmed into you and to me. Nature gave you the ability to perceive situations from a multitude of perspectives using very flexible systems of input and processing. The same can be done on a computer.

    Even today, when computers are still largely locked into a rigid binary processing model, these machines are able to process information that would have been unthinkable even ten years ago. Advances such as quantum computing will similarly prove today's naysayers wrong.
  • angelica wrote:
    How do you feel now that you've been crowned "the King" in this thread. ;)

    I think I missed that.
  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    The same way it was programmed into you and to me. Nature gave you the ability to perceive situations from a multitude of perspectives using very flexible systems of input and processing. The same can be done on a computer.
    I don't necessarily doubt that.
    Even today, when computers are still largely locked into a rigid binary processing model, these machines are able to process information that would have been unthinkable even ten years ago. Advances such as quantum computing will similarly prove today's naysayers wrong.
    Maybe.
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  • angelicaangelica Posts: 6,038
    baraka wrote:
    I'll tell you who is the KING at taking on numerous people in debates here and does not get rattled at perceived personal remarks, farfromglorified. I don't usually agree with him, but I'm impressed with his tact.

    Missed it? Where's that ego we all know and love. ;)
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  • angelica wrote:
    Missed it? Where's that ego we all know and love. ;)

    Hehe...it's still here, of course!

    I see it now. Coming from baraka, a very high honor indeed.
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