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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus, you make me think of a guy who gets a new video game, and rather than playing it, he keeps breaking it down and trying to understand the programming code, down to each individual 1 and 0. There's certainly nothing wrong with trying to understand programming, that's a fine pursuit in and of itself, but the code will tell you nothing about the experience of actually playing the game.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    baraka wrote:
    I'm not going to go there. A mean spirited joke sprang to mind. ;)

    The key is HOW an individual chooses to perceive and process information. Having a closed mind is contraindicated to imagination, intuition, & creativity.

    Brain -> Mind

    It's simple.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    here is just one blurb from Angelica's rants

    "What your behaviour shows me is that you are unable to interact on a mature, adult level. I respond accordingly. For example, due to your responses and actions since I've "met" you, I don't trust you, I don't particularly like you and I don't enjoy interacting with you most of the time. And for those who act respectful and interact on an intelligent level--and there are many out here--I look forward to hanging out with and growing in interaction with them. It is what it is."
    You call that crying? Those are all matter-of-fact statements explaining where angelica is coming from and why. She's not whining, she's not asking anyone to feel sorry for her, she's not even asking you to change your behavior! And she even ends on a positive note. I don't see how this can be interpreted as "crying."
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    Ahnimus, you make me think of a guy who gets a new video game, and rather than playing it, he keeps breaking it down and trying to understand the programming code, down to each individual 1 and 0. There's certainly nothing wrong with trying to understand programming, that's a fine pursuit in and of itself, but the code will tell you nothing about the experience of actually playing the game.

    I've already played the game quite a bit.

    But you are right, when I got Half-Life, I beat it, mastered online play and then broke-down the source code, made a mod for it and played the game again.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Oh well, I'm still trying to discuss how logic and feeling are the same thing. But I keep getting attacked. Gangbang session or some shit. I don't care, just ignorant fucks.


    You are getting differing opinions. Don't take it personally. I love the fact that you raise VERY interesting questions. I also love the fact that you take it upon yourself to investigate and read up on issues. I think this is a good way to 'bounce' off ideas. Don't take disagreement as an insult. Use it to fine tune your ideas. As you learn more, you may choose to throw out ideas you originally bought into for new better ideas.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    hippiemom wrote:
    You call that crying? Those are all matter-of-fact statements explaining where angelica is coming from and why. She's not whining, she's not asking anyone to feel sorry for her, she's not even asking you to change your behavior! And she even ends on a positive note. I don't see how this can be interpreted as "crying."

    She's clearly whining about how I express my point of view
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    baraka wrote:
    You are getting differing opinions. Don't take it personally. I love the fact that you raise VERY interesting questions. I also love the fact that you take it upon yourself to investigate and read up on issues. I think this is a good way to 'bounce' off ideas. Don't take disagreement as an insult. Use it to fine tune your ideas. As you learn more, you may choose to throw out ideas you originally bought into for new better ideas.

    I could do without the emotional rants and closed-ended statements, such as "You can't know"
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Ahnimus wrote:
    She's clearly whining about how I express my point of view


    "I agree that we agree in principle. Then we have the structure. You are looking at the structure from the outside, in mono-logic. I am experiencing it in multiple integrated dimensions from the inside and outside! When/if you come to integrate your logic and emotion, you'll know just what I mean. Oh, and you're abusive and disrespectful, further illustrating your lack of emotional intelligence.""" - Angelica
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus, learn to accept your frustration and use it as a challenge.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    Abookamongstthemany wrote:
    Ahnimus, learn to accept your frustration and use it as a challenge.

    I am, I'm asking people to stay on topic rather than this ranting nonsense.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    Ahnimus wrote:
    She's clearly whining about how I express my point of view

    If you can't accept someone's point of view without degrading it to "whining", then you'll understand why you look like a little boy to me. When you're capable of meeting me equally as an adult, on an even keel where you treat my view with the respect it deserves, then you might see a different kind of feedback for your actions. I continue to express myself and make observations as I see fit.
    "The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr

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  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I could do without the emotional rants and closed-ended statements, such as "You can't know"
    I've never heard her say anything of the sort. She has never claimed that she knows things that are beyond the reach of anyone else.

    Look, I agree with a great deal of what angelica says, but not 100%. I question some of it ... the things I question may in fact be correct, they may be complete nonsense, I don't know. But I've certainly never seen her say that I or anyone else is not capable of knowing. I really have to say that you're projecting things onto her that simply aren't there.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I could do without the emotional rants and closed-ended statements, such as "You can't know"

    Ahnimus, it's how you are perceiving the debate. If someone hurts your feelings, it's because you allow them to hurt your feelings. It's why I chuckled at your other response about intuition. I'll tell you who is the KING at taking on numerous people in debates here and does not get rattled at perceived personal remarks, farfromglorified. I don't usually agree with him, but I'm impressed with his tact.

    I'm actually very intrigued by this discussion and would love to stay and post, but I have to go. But I'll probably be back later.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    Ahnimus wrote:
    I am, I'm asking people to stay on topic rather than this ranting nonsense.


    When debating emotion all one can use is their own 'truth'.
    If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.

    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.
    -Oscar Wilde
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    baraka wrote:
    Ahnimus, it's how you are perceiving the debate. If someone hurts your feelings, it's because you allow them to hurt your feelings. It's why I chuckled at your other response about intuition. I'll tell you who is the KING at taking on numerous people in debates here and does not get rattled at perceived personal remarks, farfromglorified. I don't usually agree with him, but I'm impressed with his tact.

    I'm actually very intrigued by this discussion and would love to stay and post, but I have to go. But I'll probably be back later.

    lol, well, I can take a lot of shit. I'm sicker than a dog right now and maybe I'm just not into being labeled right now.

    I'm going grocery shopping too.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • baraka
    baraka Posts: 1,268
    Ahnimus wrote:
    lol, well, I can take a lot of shit. I'm sicker than a dog right now and maybe I'm just not into being labeled right now.

    I'm going grocery shopping too.


    Wow! How did you know I was going grocery shopping? What external stimuli triggered your brain and brought you to that conclusion? ;)
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance,
    but the illusion of knowledge.
    ~Daniel Boorstin

    Only a life lived for others is worth living.
    ~Albert Einstein
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    It's so fucking obvious and I've repeated myself over and over again.

    "Two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity.. and I'm not so sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein

    so obvious he's completely incapable of explaining it. becos you dont know what the fuck you mean any more than we do. all you can do is paste more quotes to obscure the issue.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    All you have to do is read the first 4 or 5 pages of this thread to see soulsinging call me stupid, angelica tell me I have no emotion and so on. Read the whole thread.

    i beg to differ. i was one of the ones saying you have no emotions.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Ahnimus wrote:
    Emotions and consciousness
    Emotions are also vital to the higher reaches of distinctively human intelligence. Contrary to some popular notions, emotions do not ‘get in the way of’ rational thinking - emotions are essential to rationality.

    Damasio’s group is probably best known for their case studies of reasoning in people with neurological damage to their emotional systems. For instance, people with damage to the ventro-medial part of the pre-frontal cortex (VMPFC) may be able to perform to a high level on most language and intelligence tests, but they display gross defects of planning, judgement and social appropriateness.

    this have anything to do with that truck that hit you?
  • Ahnimus
    Ahnimus Posts: 10,560
    baraka wrote:
    Wow! How did you know I was going grocery shopping? What external stimuli triggered your brain and brought you to that conclusion? ;)

    It's sunday here, most people do their grocery shopping on the weekends, saturday is for drinking, sunday is for shopping :)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire

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