logic vs feeling

farfromglorified

soulsinging wrote:

can you have an empathetic conversation with a computer?

Not to the extent that you can a person, no.

dont think so. a computer cannot handle any new circumstances it has not been programmed to confront. humans frequently adapt to new situations and can think creatively on their feet to respond to them.

You might want to remember these words and see how you feel about them in a generation or so.

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

Not to the extent that you can a person, no.



You might want to remember these words and see how you feel about them in a generation or so.

Do you foresee that we'll be able to program emotional intelligence into computers?

farfromglorified

angelica wrote:

Do you foresee that we'll be able to program emotional intelligence into computers?

Very much so, yes.

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

Very much so, yes.

Interesting. I look forward to seeing that. How do you figure they will do it?

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

Very much so, yes.

How do you feel now that you've been crowned "the King" in this thread.

farfromglorified

angelica wrote:

Interesting. I look forward to seeing that. How do you figure they will do it?

The same way it was programmed into you and to me. Nature gave you the ability to perceive situations from a multitude of perspectives using very flexible systems of input and processing. The same can be done on a computer.

Even today, when computers are still largely locked into a rigid binary processing model, these machines are able to process information that would have been unthinkable even ten years ago. Advances such as quantum computing will similarly prove today's naysayers wrong.

farfromglorified

angelica wrote:

How do you feel now that you've been crowned "the King" in this thread.

I think I missed that.

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

The same way it was programmed into you and to me. Nature gave you the ability to perceive situations from a multitude of perspectives using very flexible systems of input and processing. The same can be done on a computer.

I don't necessarily doubt that.

Even today, when computers are still largely locked into a rigid binary processing model, these machines are able to process information that would have been unthinkable even ten years ago. Advances such as quantum computing will similarly prove today's naysayers wrong.

Maybe.

angelica

baraka wrote:

I'll tell you who is the KING at taking on numerous people in debates here and does not get rattled at perceived personal remarks, farfromglorified. I don't usually agree with him, but I'm impressed with his tact.

Missed it? Where's that ego we all know and love.

farfromglorified

angelica wrote:

Missed it? Where's that ego we all know and love.

Hehe...it's still here, of course!

I see it now. Coming from baraka, a very high honor indeed.

angelica

farfromglorified wrote:

Hehe...it's still here, of course!

I see it now. Coming from baraka, a very high honor indeed.

Indeed.

soulsinging

farfromglorified wrote:

Not to the extent that you can a person, no.



You might want to remember these words and see how you feel about them in a generation or so.

im hoping to be dead by the time the matrix kicks in. bottom line is, computers cannot interact with other beings. even a cat has a computer beat in terms of empathy.

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

im hoping to be dead by the time the matrix kicks in. bottom line is, computers cannot interact with other beings. even a cat has a computer beat in terms of empathy.

If ((Input == "Crying") & (Subject == "Friendly")) Then
Action = "Pat " + "Say: It's ok, I understand." + "Emote: Empathy"
DoAction()
End

El_Kabong

Ahnimus wrote:

If ((Input == "Crying") & (Subject == "Friendly")) Then
Action = "Pat " + "Say: It's ok, I understand." + "Emote: Empathy"
DoAction()
End

ppl and their emotions vary by person, it's not as simple and black and white as a binary code.

tell ya what, next time you see a friend crying act all stiff, pat them and say in a monotone, emotionless voice 'it's ok, i understand' and see if they think it's normal. also, what if the person says 'how do you know what it feels like' a person could say a whole range of things that have happened to them that made them feel similar...a computer can just say it's what they were programmed

i'm not doubting you could program computers to have emotion-like qualities but it can't be the same as a real persons b/c they aren't as predictable

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

If ((Input == "Crying") & (Subject == "Friendly")) Then
Action = "Pat " + "Say: It's ok, I understand." + "Emote: Empathy"
DoAction()
End

what if they are crying out of joy?

and what is emote empathy? is that an emoticon? wow, im comforted.

Ahnimus

El_Kabong wrote:

ppl and their emotions vary by person, it's not as simple and black and white as a binary code.

tell ya what, next time you see a friend crying act all stiff, pat them and say in a monotone, emotionless voice 'it's ok, i understand' and see if they think it's normal. also, what if the person says 'how do you know what it feels like' a person could say a whole range of things that have happened to them that made them feel similar...a computer can just say it's what they were programmed

i'm not doubting you could program computers to have emotion-like qualities but it can't be the same as a real persons b/c they aren't as predictable

If we could simulate every system in the human body. Why should it be any different?

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

If we could simulate every system in the human body. Why should it be any different?

would the computer go to work each day? make love to other computers and give birth to baby computers? date around? play baseball with other little baby computers?

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

would the computer go to work each day? make love to other computers and give birth to baby computers? date around? play baseball with other little baby computers?

I guess if you call emotion "giving birth to baby computers" I'm sure we'll find a way with nanotechnology.

soulsinging

Ahnimus wrote:

I guess if you call emotion "giving birth to baby computers" I'm sure we'll find a way with nanotechnology.

no. but it's part of the experiences computers can never have and thus never fully understand the emotions associated with such simple activities as sex, playing baseball, a friendly game of cards, a beer at the bar, or raising a child. they might be able to mimic human responses to various stimuli, but that does not mean they feel the emotion associated with it. no more than a kid pretending to be joe montana in his backyard actually is joe montana.

and you didnt answer my other question. what if the person were crying out of joy? the computer's response would be totally inappropriate.

Ahnimus

soulsinging wrote:

no. but it's part of the experiences computers can never have and thus never fully understand the emotions associated with such simple activities as sex, playing baseball, a friendly game of cards, a beer at the bar, or raising a child.

and you didnt answer my other question. what if the person were crying out of joy? the computer's response would be totally inappropriate.

With that simple little code, yea it would be inappropriate.

Obviously I'm not working on it at MIT.