those dirty 3rd parties stealing votes...

norm

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

And what has Obama done seen he's been in office or before then?

What are his accomplishments, any activism or qualifications?

he's a nifty speaker

Abookamongstthemany

cutback wrote:

he's a nifty speaker

Oh yeah, I forgot.

But can he do this:


Non-profit organizations

In 1980, Nader resigned as director of Public Citizen to work on other projects, forcefully campaigning against what he believed to be the dangers of large multinational corporations. He went on to start a variety of non-profit organizations:

* Capitol Hill News Service
* Citizen Advocacy Center
* Citizens Utility Boards
* Congress Accountability Project
* Consumer Task Force For Automotive Issues
* Corporate Accountability Research Project
* Disability Rights Center
* Equal Justice Foundation
* Foundation for Taxpayers and Consumer Rights
* Georgia Legal Watch
* National Citizens' Coalition for Nursing Home Reform
* National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
* Pension Rights Center
* PROD (truck safety)
* Retired Professionals Action Group
* The Shafeek Nader Trust for the Community Interest
* 1969: Center for the Study of Responsive Law
* 1970s: Public Interest Research Groups
* 1970: Center for Auto Safety
* 1970: Connecticut Citizen Action Group
* 1971: Aviation Consumer Action Project



* 1972: Clean Water Action Project
* 1972: Center for Women's Policy Studies
* 1980: Multinational Monitor (magazine covering multinational corporations)
* 1982: Trial Lawyers for Public Justice
* 1982: Essential Information (encourage citizen activism and do investigative journalism)
* 1983: Telecommunications Research and Action Center
* 1983: National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
* 1989: Princeton Project 55 (alumni public service)
* 1993: Appleseed Foundation (local change)
* 1994: Resource Consumption Alliance (conserve trees)
* 1995: Center for Insurance Research
* 1995: Consumer Project on Technology
* 1997?: Government Purchasing Project (encourage purchase of safe products)
* 1998: Center for Justice and Democracy
* 1998: Organization for Competitive Markets
* 1998: American Antitrust Institute (ensure fair competition)
* 1999?: Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest
* 1999?: Commercial Alert (protect family, community, and democracy from corporations)
* 2000: Congressional Accountability Project (fight corruption in Congress)
* 2001: Citizen Works (promote NGO cooperation, build grassroots support and start new groups)
* 2001: Democracy Rising (hold rallies to educate and empower citizens)

Abookamongstthemany

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

Oh yeah, I forgot.

But can he do this:


Non-profit organizations

In 1980, Nader resigned as director of Public Citizen to work on other projects, forcefully campaigning against what he believed to be the dangers of large multinational corporations. He went on to start a variety of non-profit organizations:

* Capitol Hill News Service
* Citizen Advocacy Center
* Citizens Utility Boards
* Congress Accountability Project
* Consumer Task Force For Automotive Issues
* Corporate Accountability Research Project
* Disability Rights Center
* Equal Justice Foundation
* Foundation for Taxpayers and Consumer Rights
* Georgia Legal Watch
* National Citizens' Coalition for Nursing Home Reform
* National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
* Pension Rights Center
* PROD (truck safety)
* Retired Professionals Action Group
* The Shafeek Nader Trust for the Community Interest
* 1969: Center for the Study of Responsive Law
* 1970s: Public Interest Research Groups
* 1970: Center for Auto Safety
* 1970: Connecticut Citizen Action Group
* 1971: Aviation Consumer Action Project



* 1972: Clean Water Action Project
* 1972: Center for Women's Policy Studies
* 1980: Multinational Monitor (magazine covering multinational corporations)
* 1982: Trial Lawyers for Public Justice
* 1982: Essential Information (encourage citizen activism and do investigative journalism)
* 1983: Telecommunications Research and Action Center
* 1983: National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
* 1989: Princeton Project 55 (alumni public service)
* 1993: Appleseed Foundation (local change)
* 1994: Resource Consumption Alliance (conserve trees)
* 1995: Center for Insurance Research
* 1995: Consumer Project on Technology
* 1997?: Government Purchasing Project (encourage purchase of safe products)
* 1998: Center for Justice and Democracy
* 1998: Organization for Competitive Markets
* 1998: American Antitrust Institute (ensure fair competition)
* 1999?: Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest
* 1999?: Commercial Alert (protect family, community, and democracy from corporations)
* 2000: Congressional Accountability Project (fight corruption in Congress)
* 2001: Citizen Works (promote NGO cooperation, build grassroots support and start new groups)
* 2001: Democracy Rising (hold rallies to educate and empower citizens)

or this:


Activism
Nader speaks out against the Iraq War at the September 15, 2007 anti-war protest.
Nader speaks out against the Iraq War at the September 15, 2007 anti-war protest.

Hundreds of young activists, inspired by Nader's work, came to DC to help him with other projects. They came to be known as "Nader's Raiders" who, under Nader, investigated government corruption, publishing dozens of books with their results:

* Nader's Raiders (Federal Trade Commission)
* Vanishing Air (National Air Pollution Control Administration)
* The Chemical Feast (Food and Drug Administration)
* The Interstate Commerce Omission (Interstate Commerce Commission)
* Old Age (nursing homes)
* The Water Lords (water pollution)
* Who Runs Congress? (Congress)
* Whistle Blowing (punishment of whistle blowers)
* The Big Boys (corporate executives)
* Collision Course (Federal Aviation Administration)
* No Contest (corporate lawyers)
* Destroy the Forest (Destruction of ecosystems worldwide)
* Operation: Nuclear (Making of a nuclear missile)

In 1971, Nader founded the non-governmental organization (NGO) Public Citizen as an umbrella organization for these projects. Today, Public Citizen has over 140,000 members and scores of researchers investigating Congressional, health, environmental, economic and other issues. Their work is credited with facilitating the passage of the Safe Drinking Water Act and Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), and prompting the creation of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), and Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC).

In the 1970s and 1980s Nader was a key leader in the anti-nuclear power movement. "By 1976, consumer advocate Ralph Nader, who later became allied with the environmental movement 'stood as the titular head of opposition to nuclear energy'"[25][26] He advocates the complete elimination of nuclear energy in favor of solar, tidal, wind and geothermal, citing environmental, worker safety, migrant labor, national security, disaster preparedness, foreign policy, government accountability and democratic governance issues to bolster his position.[27]

my2hands

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

And what has Obama done seen he's been in office or before then?

What are his accomplishments, any activism or qualifications?

yeah, he is about to inspire and mobilize enough people to get nearly 60 million votes... he has record # of young voters registering and paying attention... he has the world watching and believing he is the type of candidate that this country and world needs right now. mobilization of the young people of this country is the best political movement i have seen in my lifetime... a platform of hope and inspiration and being united and compromising and open diplomacy... i have not seen a massive political movement like this in my short lifetime... a massive movement of progress and hope for the future... organizing and inspriing people of all walks of life that we can, and must, achieve progress collectively despite our differences


and poor ralph cant inspire me enough to take a piss. i have a true respect for the man. but he is not the leader i am looking for for a country of 300 million that needs to begin a massive shift towards progress... the articel i posted a few days ago about the porgosseive movement and obama sums it up well

my2hands

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

totally dig mine, too...along with all these:

A long history

Just some of the organizations Ralph Nader founded or helped start:

*

American Antitrust Institute

*

Appleseed Foundation
*

Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest
*

Aviation Consumer Action Project
*

Buyers Up
*

Capitol Hill News Service
*

Center for Auto Safety
*

Center for Insurance Research
*

Center for Justice and Democracy
*

Center for Science in the Public Interest
*

Center for Study of Responsive Law
*

Center for Women Policy Studies
*

Citizen Action Group
*

Citizen Advocacy Center
*

Citizen Utility Boards
*

Citizen Works
*

Clean Water Action Project
*

Congress Project
*

Congress Watch
*

Connecticut Citizen Action Group
*

Corporate Accountability Research Group
*

Critical Mass Energy Project
*

Democracy Rising
*

Disability Rights Center
*

Equal Justice Foundation
*

Essential Information
*

FANS (Fight to Advance the Nation's Sports)
*

Foundation for Taxpayers and Consumer Rights
*

Freedom of Information Clearinghouse
*

Georgia Legal Watch
*

Global Trade Watch
*

Health Research Group
*

Litigation Group
*

Multinational Monitor
*

National Citizen's Coalition for Nursing Home Reform
*

National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
*

National Insurance Consumer Organization
*

Ohio Public Interest Action Group
*

Organization for Competitive Markets
*

Pension Rights Center
*

Princeton Project 55
*

PROD - truck safety
*

Public Citizen
*

Retired Professionals Action Group
*

Shafeek Nader Trust for the Community Interest
*

Student Public Interest Research Groups nationwide
*

Tax Reform Research Group
*

Telecommunications Research and Action Center
*

The Visitor's Center
*

Trial Lawyers for Public Justice



http://www.votenader.org/about/achievements/

i have $20 that says you have no idea what most of those goups do or have done and if they are even still in existence

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

yeah, he is about to inspire and mobilize enough people to get nearly 60 million votes... he has record # of young voters registering and paying attention... he has the world watching and believing he is the type of candidate that this country and world needs right now.

People were inspired by Hitler and GW. That alone isn't saying too much especially when there's not even actions behind his words.

my2hands wrote:

ralph cant inspire me enough to take a piss

If you are not inspired by all that Ralph Nader has done for this country, that says a lot about you.

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

i have $20 that says you have no idea what most of those goups do or have done and if they are even still in existence

I give a fuck what you think.

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

i have $20 that says you have no idea what most of those goups do or have done and if they are even still in existence

And furthermore, you get all pissy anytime someone post anything even remotely personal about you. So I would prefer if you followed the posting guidelines and kept your personal remarks to yourself.

my2hands

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

And furthermore, you get all pissy anytime someone post anything even remotely personal about you. So I would prefer if you followed the posting guidelines and kept your personal remarks to yourself.

sure thing, i am sorry

Kel Varnsen

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

totally dig mine, too...along with all these:

A long history

Just some of the organizations Ralph Nader founded or helped start:

*

American Antitrust Institute

*

Appleseed Foundation
*

Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest
*

Aviation Consumer Action Project
*

Buyers Up
*

Capitol Hill News Service
*

Center for Auto Safety
*

Center for Insurance Research
*

Center for Justice and Democracy
*

Center for Science in the Public Interest
*

Center for Study of Responsive Law
*

Center for Women Policy Studies
*

Citizen Action Group
*

Citizen Advocacy Center
*

Citizen Utility Boards
*

Citizen Works
*

Clean Water Action Project
*

Congress Project
*

Congress Watch
*

Connecticut Citizen Action Group
*

Corporate Accountability Research Group
*

Critical Mass Energy Project
*

Democracy Rising
*

Disability Rights Center
*

Equal Justice Foundation
*

Essential Information
*

FANS (Fight to Advance the Nation's Sports)
*

Foundation for Taxpayers and Consumer Rights
*

Freedom of Information Clearinghouse
*

Georgia Legal Watch
*

Global Trade Watch
*

Health Research Group
*

Litigation Group
*

Multinational Monitor
*

National Citizen's Coalition for Nursing Home Reform
*

National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
*

National Insurance Consumer Organization
*

Ohio Public Interest Action Group
*

Organization for Competitive Markets
*

Pension Rights Center
*

Princeton Project 55
*

PROD - truck safety
*

Public Citizen
*

Retired Professionals Action Group
*

Shafeek Nader Trust for the Community Interest
*

Student Public Interest Research Groups nationwide
*

Tax Reform Research Group
*

Telecommunications Research and Action Center
*

The Visitor's Center
*

Trial Lawyers for Public Justice



http://www.votenader.org/about/achievements/

But if he has done all that, and been in the public eye since the 1960's and he still can't build up a big enough following to get more then a few percent of the vote then maybe the problem is him, and not anyone else.

my2hands

who knows what a "PIRG" is?

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

who knows what a "PIRG" is?

public interest research groups

my2hands

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

public interest research groups

what do you know about them?

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

what do you know about them?

i read

my2hands

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

i read

ok... no issue with you?

Abookamongstthemany

my2hands wrote:

ok... no issue with you?

what are you fishing for?

El_Kabong

Danny Boy wrote:

Yes, my initial exposure to Senator Obama was on the television. What does this have to with anything? Did you not read the entirety of my post??? I like how you pick out one sentence to make some justification for your premise, that I've been spoonfed Obama by a loving media. Please feel free to tell me where Obama reached saturation level in the media before announcing his candidacy. And by the way, after I did my reasearch and became a supporter in 2004, word of mouth provided some people's first insight into the man because I shared my thoughts.

A very Hannity-esque move on your part, Kabong. You should be proud. You've posted countless youtube links. Last time I checked, youtube was a pretty popular media machine in many regards. Sure, it's not as widespread as the tele, but nonetheless your mode of sequestering information isn't any different than mine other than the fact more outlets are available to learn about Obama than the candidate you support.

so, i'm not the one arguing the media is irrelevant in obama's exposure. how is pointing out that a lot of ppl are exposed to him from the media hannity-esque?

El_Kabong

VictoryGin wrote:

that's not what i said. anyone can see that.

yeah, anyone can see him lie during a national debate that his campaign chair wasn't a pharmaceutical lobbyists or see he's received quite a bit from lobbyists, despite his campaign rhetoric

El_Kabong

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

And what has Obama done seen he's been in office or before then?

What are his accomplishments, any activism or qualifications?

he....uhhhhh....ran a senate race unopposed (after taking everyone else to court to have them thrown off the ballot or until they dropped out) then almost immediately strated campaigning while missing a little over 40% of the votes...

and he talks a lot of stuff he later contradicts

El_Kabong

my2hands wrote:

yeah, he is about to inspire and mobilize enough people to get nearly 60 million votes... he has record # of young voters registering and paying attention... he has the world watching and believing he is the type of candidate that this country and world needs right now. mobilization of the young people of this country is the best political movement i have seen in my lifetime... a platform of hope and inspiration and being united and compromising and open diplomacy... i have not seen a massive political movement like this in my short lifetime... a massive movement of progress and hope for the future... organizing and inspriing people of all walks of life that we can, and must, achieve progress collectively despite our differences


and poor ralph cant inspire me enough to take a piss. i have a true respect for the man. but he is not the leader i am looking for for a country of 300 million that needs to begin a massive shift towards progress... the articel i posted a few days ago about the porgosseive movement and obama sums it up well

hitler had a lot of support, too...and???

and no, before any fool tries it i am NOT comparing the 2. just saying anyone can say shit, what has obama DONE a lot of the stuff that inspires ppl he ends up backpeddling on, like:

"lobbyists won't have a job in my white house!!!'

to

'did i say that?? what i really meant was lobbyists won't dominate my white house!!!'

or

'i don't take money from lobbyists!'

to

'well, the hundreds of thousands i've taken really doesn't count!'

his health care plan is shit
his plan for iraq is....keep tens of thousands of ppl there, redeploy the ones leaving to afghanistan and increase the already bloated and wasteful miiltary budget
his energy plan is nuclear, clean coal and a handful of renewables by 2025
he has said his foreign policy will be based on 2 of the biggest criminals of our time
has said israel and their illegal occupation and mass murder has nothing to do w/ why ppl dislike them, it's all those nasty radical muslims fault....


so, again, what has obama DONE?