Look, thats just a prejudicial logic. First of all, it would be one thing if Christians claimed to be perfect. They don't. In fact the opposite is true. A true Christian will be the first to tell you they are anything, but, perfect. Again, i think you don't truly understand Christians or Christianity outside of the ten people you claim to have known. Christians don't claim perfection or expect it from anyone else. Christians are really no different from the guy who admits it and doesn't care except for they do care and at least aim to better.
Furthermore, i think you would be a perfect candidate for giving "DARE" talks. Why do i want to hear about the dangers of drugs and alcohol from someone who has never experienced said dangers? As a recovering addict, if you were to stumble, does it make you a hypocrite? Do they kick you out of the twelve step program? Does your sponsor disown you? i would expect you would get up, dust yourself off and start over. At least you are trying, not like the poor bastard who goes out drinking and driving again the next night with absolutely no concern or remorse.
To make an analogy, for Christians, Christ is like our "program". We acknowledge the fact that we are "sinners" in recovery. If we were not, then we wouldn't need Christ. The same as a non-alcolic has no need for AA.
i claim to know far far more than 10 christians. i spent 13 years in catholic schools in a small ohio town where everyone is christian. i went to a major university chock full of good ole christian farmboys. i know plenty of christians.
im not talking about christians who strive to hold their values. a christian who stumbles gets as much slack as anyone from me. im talking about people like that guy out west who campaigned and amassed a fortune on libeling homosexuals and turned out to be one. there are plenty of them here on a smaller scale. "christians" who ranted about the evil decadence of pot smokers and then got belligerently drunk every weekend. who would talk about how cheap and sleazy and whorish women were and how disgusting it is and then went to the bar and tried to squirm into the pants of every girl they met. ive seen plenty of it. if you're making an honest effort, that's cool. but if you're just paying lip service to the message and using it as a moral high ground any time someone does something you dont like, while in your private life you pick and choose which values you uphold and which you dont even make an effort to achieve, then i think you're a douchebag and i will give you no respect.
i claim to know far far more than 10 christians. i spent 13 years in catholic schools in a small ohio town where everyone is christian. i went to a major university chock full of good ole christian farmboys. i know plenty of christians.
im not talking about christians who strive to hold their values. a christian who stumbles gets as much slack as anyone from me. im talking about people like that guy out west who campaigned and amassed a fortune on libeling homosexuals and turned out to be one. there are plenty of them here on a smaller scale. "christians" who ranted about the evil decadence of pot smokers and then got belligerently drunk every weekend. who would talk about how cheap and sleazy and whorish women were and how disgusting it is and then went to the bar and tried to squirm into the pants of every girl they met. ive seen plenty of it. if you're making an honest effort, that's cool. but if you're just paying lip service to the message and using it as a moral high ground any time someone does something you dont like, while in your private life you pick and choose which values you uphold and which you dont even make an effort to achieve, then i think you're a douchebag and i will give you no respect.
I agree with you about your assessment of many Christians.
It seems like you dislike the hypocrisy of some Christians. Because it is impossible to know your moral outlook on life, I cannot know if you would approve of those people's moral actions if they were *not* Christians. If that is the case, then why don't you just discount their entire belief in Christianity (since you don't believe in God) and just judge them based on YOUR own moral compass? In that case, they would essentially be doing nothing wrong, since all ethics are relative, right?
All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.
-Enoch Powell
Ahhhhhhh, the problem has just been diagnosed. Now all we have to do is treat it.
ahhhh, and you've revealed yourself too. you're one of them. those are the kind of christians i hate most... the ones who act like catholicism is a disease. i can tell you one thing... if i EVER went back to christianity i would ONLY go catholic. as hokey and quirky as it occasionally, at least they're more sensible than 99% of christians. they acknowledge that poverty and peace are just as important as abortion and they've also said that creationism in schools stuff is nonsense. they get a lot of point for that from me. it's the other christians i dislike the most. i have a certain fondness for catholicism, like an errant child that is foolish and immature but well-meaning nonetheless.
I agree with you about your assessment of many Christians.
It seems like you dislike the hypocrisy of some Christians. Because it is impossible to know your moral outlook on life, I cannot know if you would approve of those people's moral actions if they were *not* Christians. If that is the case, then why don't you just discount their entire belief in Christianity (since you don't believe in God) and just judge them based on YOUR own moral compass? In that case, they would essentially be doing nothing wrong, since all ethics are relative, right?
ethics are not relative. but you cannot change people. you can't force them to behave how you want. if someone wants to be greedy i cannot stop them. if they think it is making them unhappy then i am happy to help them, but only if they ask becos otherwise the message will fall on deaf ears. that's why i dont care about someone greedy and atheist sitting in their house being greedy. i cant change them, but at least they're not bothering me. whereas a christian preaching fire and brimstone about it while being greedy in private galls me. if they cannot change themselves whjo the hell are they to try to make me change my life? what moral authority do they have that i should give them the time of day?
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i claim to know far far more than 10 christians. i spent 13 years in catholic schools in a small ohio town where everyone is christian. i went to a major university chock full of good ole christian farmboys. i know plenty of christians.
im not talking about christians who strive to hold their values. a christian who stumbles gets as much slack as anyone from me. im talking about people like that guy out west who campaigned and amassed a fortune on libeling homosexuals and turned out to be one. there are plenty of them here on a smaller scale. "christians" who ranted about the evil decadence of pot smokers and then got belligerently drunk every weekend. who would talk about how cheap and sleazy and whorish women were and how disgusting it is and then went to the bar and tried to squirm into the pants of every girl they met. ive seen plenty of it. if you're making an honest effort, that's cool. but if you're just paying lip service to the message and using it as a moral high ground any time someone does something you dont like, while in your private life you pick and choose which values you uphold and which you dont even make an effort to achieve, then i think you're a douchebag and i will give you no respect.
Ahhhhhhh, the problem has just been diagnosed. Now all we have to do is treat it.
I agree with you about your assessment of many Christians.
It seems like you dislike the hypocrisy of some Christians. Because it is impossible to know your moral outlook on life, I cannot know if you would approve of those people's moral actions if they were *not* Christians. If that is the case, then why don't you just discount their entire belief in Christianity (since you don't believe in God) and just judge them based on YOUR own moral compass? In that case, they would essentially be doing nothing wrong, since all ethics are relative, right?
-Enoch Powell
ahhhh, and you've revealed yourself too. you're one of them. those are the kind of christians i hate most... the ones who act like catholicism is a disease. i can tell you one thing... if i EVER went back to christianity i would ONLY go catholic. as hokey and quirky as it occasionally, at least they're more sensible than 99% of christians. they acknowledge that poverty and peace are just as important as abortion and they've also said that creationism in schools stuff is nonsense. they get a lot of point for that from me. it's the other christians i dislike the most. i have a certain fondness for catholicism, like an errant child that is foolish and immature but well-meaning nonetheless.
ethics are not relative. but you cannot change people. you can't force them to behave how you want. if someone wants to be greedy i cannot stop them. if they think it is making them unhappy then i am happy to help them, but only if they ask becos otherwise the message will fall on deaf ears. that's why i dont care about someone greedy and atheist sitting in their house being greedy. i cant change them, but at least they're not bothering me. whereas a christian preaching fire and brimstone about it while being greedy in private galls me. if they cannot change themselves whjo the hell are they to try to make me change my life? what moral authority do they have that i should give them the time of day?