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  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    don't gimme no wrote:
    I'm sorry but you're absolutely wrong. Everyone knows that without 9/11 we never would have invaded Iraq.


    What am I wrong about? All's I said was that BECAUSE of 9/11 there was a wake up call that threats needed to be re-evaluated - I did'nt say without 9/11 there would have been no invasion...in fact that's exactly what I said!
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  • Nothingman54
    Nothingman54 Posts: 2,251
    Fuck Bush! He can say whatever he wants, its all lies and bullshit! There is no justification for killing people.
    I'll be back
  • Eliot Rosewater
    Eliot Rosewater Posts: 2,659
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    What am I wrong about? All's I said was that BECAUSE of 9/11 there was a wake up call that threats needed to be re-evaluated - I did'nt say without 9/11 there would have been no invasion...in fact that's exactly what I said!
    I'm saying that even the stupid American congress and population disagree with you. The 9/11 attacks did indeed require exploitation to justify an attack in their eyes.
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    Mr.Budge - The fucking 9/11 attacks did not need to be exploited to justify removing a piece of shit like Sadamm Hussein from power in the heart of the Middle East - the brutality of that day was enough for me to want him taken out - period

    Where's the outrage and angry for Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? Why is there no outcry over these countries. You want complete justice, then ask yourself

    Why aren't we bombing and invading Saudi Arabia?

    Why aren't we bombing and invading Pakistan?
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    puremagic wrote:
    Where's the outrage and angry for Saudi Arabia and Pakistan? Why is there no outcry over these countries. You want complete justice, then ask yourself

    Why aren't we bombing and invading Saudi Arabia?

    Why aren't we bombing and invading Pakistan?


    The attackers of 9/11 were of Saudi descent, but these were state-sponsored attacks and the state was Afghanistan -

    If one of the hijackers were named O'brien would you be looking to invade Ireland???????

    Think about it
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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    jsand wrote:
    Tell the families of the victims that. I'm sure they classify it as a "political event." You can hear them discussing the deaths of their loved ones: "My brother died in that famous political event."

    Give me a fucking break.



    I don't understand how does a terrorist attack become a political event? A terrorist attack in and of itself warrants a national response, whether by diplomatic means or use of ones military.

    A political event, is an election, a campaign dinner, a campaign speech.

    The attacks on 9/11 were unprovoked terrorists attack. To redefine them as a political event, to me, does a disservice to the horror of that day, the memory of those directly impacted and those who have and continue to put themselves in harms way to make sure such a terrorist attack does not happen again.

    Your brother died because we were attacked. My brother went to Iraq because we were attacked. All the politics that surround 9/11 does not erase the fact that we as a nation were attacked.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    The attackers of 9/11 were of Saudi descent, but these were state-sponsored attacks and the state was Afghanistan -

    If one of the hijackers were named O'brien would you be looking to invade Ireland???????

    Think about it

    Ok, I've thought about it. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are just as responsible as Afghanistan.

    Ireland has and continues to suffered the support of the U.S., U.K. and the Church.
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    puremagic wrote:
    Ok, I've thought about it. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are just as responsible as Afghanistan.

    Ireland has and continues to suffered the support of the U.S., U.K. and the Church.


    What??????
    I'll keep taking punches
    Untill their will grows tired
  • bookworm30
    bookworm30 Posts: 186
    John Budge wrote:
    He exploited the 9/11 attacks in order to justify invading Iraq.

    Exactly. And it makes me sick.
    The more I see the less I know for sure. - John Lennon
  • trappedinmyradio
    trappedinmyradio Posts: 1,189
    Abuskedti wrote:
    He is not supported by any nation. You think we should seek out and kill people because of what we believe they believe?

    listen, i'm not about supporting war...but, to say that osama bin laden is not supported by a nation is largely ignoring what it is to be a nation...especially you should know this. a nation's governmental support is not support by a nation...as a nation, do we support the war? NO! any person that shares the same beliefs as osama bin laden is a nation supporting him...in some way. the people are the power...

    no, i don't think we should be at war...war is ridiculous...wars are among men in ties and their plastic g.i. joe armies...
    I'll dig a tunnel
    from my window to yours
  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    Mr.Budge - The fucking 9/11 attacks did not need to be exploited to justify removing a piece of shit like Sadamm Hussein from power in the heart of the Middle East - the brutality of that day was enough for me to want him taken out - period

    Then why did they use it? The brutatlity of that they was worth the lives of the 10's of thousands of INNOCENT Iraqi's that have died as a result the US? An innocent life = innocent life regardless of nationality, religion, or affiliation. Brutality is a two way street not one.
  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    The attackers of 9/11 were of Saudi descent, but these were state-sponsored attacks and the state was Afghanistan -

    If one of the hijackers were named O'brien would you be looking to invade Ireland???????

    Think about it

    So, from your statement the war should have ended in Afghanistan. So, why are we in Iraq?
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    puremagic wrote:
    So, from your statement the war should have ended in Afghanistan. So, why are we in Iraq?

    You could'nt be farther away from the truth
    Afghanistan / Iraq two completely different wars

    Afghanistan was a response to an attack on our soil

    Iraq was finally dealing with a problem that no one else wanted to deal with

    The war should not have ended with Afghanistan - In reality the war should end with Iran and Syria's fucking heads on a silver platter - but I would not be in favor of such action because we would undoubtedly go at it alone, and
    are obviously not capable of planning for a post-war scenario
    I'll keep taking punches
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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    You could'nt be farther away from the truth
    Afghanistan / Iraq two completely different wars

    Afghanistan was a response to an attack on our soil

    Iraq was finally dealing with a problem that no one else wanted to deal with

    The war should not have ended with Afghanistan - In reality the war should end with Iran and Syria's fucking heads on a silver platter - but I would not be in favor of such action because we would undoubtedly go at it alone, and
    are obviously not capable of planning for a post-war scenario

    So do you not care about civilians? I thought that's why your so upset? I dotn seem to understand where you're coming from.
  • Rhyno
    Rhyno Posts: 304
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    his speech made me proud to be an american.....

    and a republican......

    I totally agree with your sentiment...
    Cheers!
    Rhyno

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  • puremagic
    puremagic Posts: 1,907
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    You could'nt be farther away from the truth
    Afghanistan / Iraq two completely different wars

    Then maybe we need to explain that to this Administration because every speech since 9/11 had/has blurred Iraq as the evil do'er of 9/11 and another 9/11 type event.
    DCGARDEN wrote:

    Afghanistan was a response to an attack on our soil

    Again, if as you continue to state that Afghanistan is responsible for 9/11 and supposedly we have won the war in Afghanistan then we as a nation have achieved our goal to bring "those responsibile for 9/11" to bear. There was not reason to invade Iraq.

    DCGARDEN wrote:
    You could'nt be farther away from the truth
    Afghanistan / Iraq two completely different wars

    Iraq was finally dealing with a problem that no one else wanted to deal with

    What problem was that? Saddam and Kurds? What about our ally Turkey and Kurds. WMDs? or simply because like Bin Laden, Saudi Arabia viewed Saddam as a threat to the ruling regime.

    DCGARDEN wrote:

    The war should not have ended with Afghanistan - In reality the war should end with Iran and Syria's fucking heads on a silver platter - but I would not be in favor of such action because we would undoubtedly go at it alone, and
    are obviously not capable of planning for a post-war scenario

    Say we had the backing of other G8 nations. Why? Iran and Syria?
    SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    puremagic wrote:
    Then maybe we need to explain that to this Administration because every speech since 9/11 had/has blurred Iraq as the evil do'er of 9/11 and another 9/11 type event.



    Again, if as you continue to state that Afghanistan is responsible for 9/11 and supposedly we have won the war in Afghanistan then we as a nation have achieved our goal to bring "those responsibile for 9/11" to bear. There was not reason to invade Iraq.




    What problem was that? Saddam and Kurds? What about our ally Turkey and Kurds. WMDs? or simply because like Bin Laden, Saudi Arabia viewed Saddam as a threat to the ruling regime.




    Say we had the backing of other G8 nations. Why? Iran and Syria?

    A) TWO DIFFERENT WARS - YET FIGHTING THE SAME CRAP
    B) AFGHANISTAN WAS WON - No matter how much you wish this country would've failed - The Karzai goverment was much quicker to form than the Iraq govt' - The re-surgence of the Taliban is due to their in-ability to control their people - we're still fighting there , yes, and I'm pretty sure we're gonna have to send more troops there at some point to exterminate once again
    C) The problem? The problem was this : Every piece of intell we had at our disposal was that stockpiles of WMD existed - you would've wanted to just leave him be because he wasn't bothering anyone - I would've chosen to remove the chance of those stockpiles ending up in the hands of Al Qaeda -
    D) Iran & Syria - Are you that bent? These two are the biggest supporters of terrorism in the region - This is a war on terror - period
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  • Open
    Open Posts: 792
    I'm still waiting to hear what civilians lives are worth to you. You're sooo mad about 3k, yet you support actions that give us numbers such as 30k. There has to be some kind of logic there, can u explain please.
  • John Budge
    John Budge Posts: 259
    DCGARDEN wrote:
    What am I wrong about? All's I said was that BECAUSE of 9/11 there was a wake up call that threats needed to be re-evaluated - I did'nt say without 9/11 there would have been no invasion...in fact that's exactly what I said!
    Iraq was no threat to us.
  • DCGARDEN
    DCGARDEN Posts: 515
    John Budge wrote:
    Iraq was no threat to us.

    So you believe. What if the intell on the WMD had turned out to be accurate.
    Would you still feel that way?
    I'll keep taking punches
    Untill their will grows tired

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