bush speech

sponger

"the strongest weapon in our arsenal is the power of freedom"

I think he got that from Capt. Eo.

mrwalkerb

Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering


Am I the only one that remembers this quote from the ten club newsletter?

WindNoSail

mrwalkerb wrote:

Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
-- Herman Goering


Am I the only one that remembers this quote from the ten club newsletter?

Yeah that pretty much applies to wars of history. But damnit, that only applies when your leaders drag you into war....not when the enemy does. Come on, you can't apply the logic of all the wars that leaders dragged their people into for power and greed and compare that with this war we apparently have with Islamic terrorists.

There has to be something said for protecting yourself, your country, your family, your constitution. Believe me, I am not going to form my political views on the 10club newsletter. I will consider it, but not bow to a rock band made up of guys that didn't graduate from high school.

Eddie, I love you man

sponger

WindNoSail wrote:

I will consider it, but not bow to a rock band made up of guys that didn't graduate from high school.

That only means they got tired of being brainwashed.

Gary Carter

WindNoSail wrote:

Yeah that pretty much applies to wars of history. But damnit, that only applies when your leaders drag you into war....not when the enemy does. Come on, you can't apply the logic of all the wars that leaders dragged their people into for power and greed and compare that with this war we apparently have with Islamic terrorists.

There has to be something said for protecting yourself, your country, your family, your constitution. Believe me, I am not going to form my political views on the 10club newsletter. I will consider it, but not bow to a rock band made up of guys that didn't graduate from high school.

Eddie, I love you man

i just read your last post and this one.all i gotta say is fuck yeah dude,dead on.god if more people on both side thought like u did,this country would be great.id vote for u into office

WindNoSail

metsfan531941 wrote:

i just read your last post and this one.all i gotta say is fuck yeah dude,dead on.god if more people on both side thought like u did,this country would be great.id vote for u into office

thanks, I will let you know when I secure a million dollars for the campaign

Gary Carter

WindNoSail wrote:

thanks, I will let you know when I secure a million dollars for the campaign

id start in the bible belt,just tell them jesus is cool.those crazies will believe anything

Open

WindNoSail wrote:

Seems to me the only fighting the Democrats are for is with Republicans. Meanwhile we got all kinds of evidence that we are being targeted and that we aren't very good at facing the threat that lies before us. We'd rather fight amongst ourselves, wring our hands, and hope that if we just ignore the problem it will go away.

I suggest that we realize that there are good people all over the world that don't want war, but that those that do want war and seek it for idealogy will forever take advantage of us who do not want war. We are at the tipping point I think.

I am sure that we cannot change the minds and hearts of those that seek to destroy us based on their twisting of religion. We really don't have a choice anymore. If you want to hold out that it is all Bush's fault and this would all be fine if he was out of office, then you are just delaying the inevitable. This was going on before Bush, it will continue after him.

I am willing to sacrifice my peaceful existence on this planet so that my kids won't have to face the same, or their kids. My life is not peaceful now anyway, so might as well get on with it.

But I don't want to die or see my friends and family die senslessly because we are waiting and hoping this problem goes away. I'd much rather face it head on and sacrifice now for a better tomorrow.

I'd like to start with profiling at the airport, securing borders, and getting control on who is in this country and for what reasons, and where they are. I don't care about PC thought. I figure that a good Muslim wouldn't have much of a problem being profiled at the airport since he probably is just as worried about a radical flying his plane into a building as I am.

Again how are you equating Iraq with the war against terror? Stop seeing what you want to see and see the truth. Killing will only lead to more killing, isnt that obvious by now? How do you feel safer now anyways, what have we done but to piss off more people and create new terrorists? The more we kill the more we create.

Puck78

Open wrote:

What propoganda? The terrorists are in Afgh and the taliban is actually making a come back there. Bin Ladin is still out there, Al Queda could attack us any day now and this excuse for president is equating the mess in Iraq with the war against terror. Who is our enemy? Do you even know?

you don't certainly know, considered that you're not able to spell correctly Bin Laden...

Open

Yeah..you got me there...but people like that here considering they voted for a president that can't speak.

Puck78

11/9/2001 - 11/9/2006, number of victims (source: the guardian, 11/9/2006)
number of victims of "terror attacks": 4.319
number of killed on "war on terror": 92.469
numbers refer to civilians killed and include the israel/palestine and israel/lebanon conflicts

El_Kabong

inmytree wrote:

nice way to remember those who lost their lives today, 9/11....with a propaganda riddled speech...justifying the war....

all in the name of 9/11...

disgusting...:mad:

only caught about 10 min of it but i liked the part where he spoke about the terrorists shaking at the thought of someone voting...

:rolleyes:

spiral out

NewJPage wrote:

after he mentioned the women who lost her husband in the WTC, i couldn't help but think of the ??,000 families that are facing the same thing in iraq right now. the whole thing is a clusterfuck, and it sucks that he used 9-11 as a crutch, as he always has in any speech he gives, to somehow connect the war to that tragic event...seriously, we have no concept of whats going on over there, and if we did, we would get out asap. over 100 people die a day gang...think about it.

Now now those iraqi's lives are not as important as american lives.

Purple Hawk

This thread has done a WONDERFUL job of illustrating how the right is engaging with reality, where we are today, while the left is at war with Bush, living in 2003, and cannot move past the decision to go into Iraq.

inmytree

El_Kabong wrote:

only caught about 10 min of it but i liked the part where he spoke about the terrorists shaking at the thought of someone voting...

:rolleyes:

that cracked me up, too....

I guess my point in starting this thread was: It was pretty sad that bush used the 5th aniversary of 9/11 as a pulpit to push his agenda...I think it was disrespectful to the families who lost on that day...

also, he mentioned "freedom" about 100 times...and yet, people are advocating profiling and supporting warrentless wire taps...how is that "freedom"....?

Purple Hawk

El_Kabong wrote:

only caught about 10 min of it but i liked the part where he spoke about the terrorists shaking at the thought of someone voting...

:rolleyes:

well, they do try to prevent people from voting by killing them. talk about "stealing" elections.

inmytree

Purple Hawk wrote:

This thread has done a WONDERFUL job of illustrating how the right is engaging with reality, where we are today, while the left is at war with Bush, living in 2003, and cannot move past the decision to go into Iraq.

what makes you think your "reality" is right...while the other side is wrong...?

I believe your version of "reality" is supported by 30 to 35% of this country...

Purple Hawk

inmytree wrote:

that cracked me up, too....

I guess my point in starting this thread was: It was pretty sad that bush used the 5th aniversary of 9/11 as a pulpit to push his agenda...I think it was disrespectful to the families who lost on that day...

also, he mentioned "freedom" about 100 times...and yet, people are advocating profiling and supporting warrentless wire taps...how is that "freedom"....?

How was it disrespectful? Can you offer any specifics? 9/11 was a terrorist act perpetrated by a group of people. He used the 5th anniversary to hightlight this point, and to say these people still threaten to perform similar attacks in the future. It's not pushing his agenda, its talking about reality.

AGAIN...it was not a natural disaster.

Purple Hawk

inmytree wrote:

I believe your version of "reality" is supported by 30 to 35% of this country...

that's because you are obsessed with Iraq, and those poll numbers reflect sentiment towards Iraq, NOT national security.

Open

Purple Hawk wrote:

This thread has done a WONDERFUL job of illustrating how the right is engaging with reality, where we are today, while the left is at war with Bush, living in 2003, and cannot move past the decision to go into Iraq.

Reality dude????? The reality is that the war on terror is in Iraq according to Bush. Why do u ignore that. Stop listening to bill oreilly and look with your own eyes at whats going on.