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inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
edited September 2006 in A Moving Train
nice way to remember those who lost their lives today, 9/11....with a propaganda riddled speech...justifying the war....

all in the name of 9/11...

disgusting...:mad:
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,598
    his speech made me proud to be an american.....

    and a republican......
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
    inmytree wrote:
    nice way to remember those who lost their lives today, 9/11....with a propaganda riddled speech...justifying the war....

    all in the name of 9/11...

    disgusting...:mad:

    George W Douche can say whatever he will, as long as he is out of office or possibly sooner. *hint* Impeachment Law *hint*. CLINTON '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    "Feel it rising, yeah next stop falling!"

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  • ItsEvolutionBaby74ItsEvolutionBaby74 Posts: 490
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    his speech made me proud to be an american.....

    and a republican......

    and a tool....
    i would think...
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,598
    ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:
    and a tool....
    i would think...
    watch out with the insults.....

    cuz our moderators here......who are all about fairness....

    just might ban you for the name calling......
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    inmytree wrote:
    nice way to remember those who lost their lives today, 9/11....with a propaganda riddled speech...justifying the war....

    all in the name of 9/11...

    disgusting...:mad:


    So, you would prefer that he (and everyone else) treat it as some random event, like an earthquake or tsunami? I don't see the propoganda - he said there is an enemy that has waged war on us, and that the war won't end until we or our enemies win. Why is that propoganda? He's just stating reality.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    So, you would prefer that he (and everyone else) treat it as some random event, like an earthquake or tsunami? I don't see the propoganda - he said there is an enemy that has waged war on us, and that the war won't end until we or our enemies win. Why is that propoganda? He's just stating reality.

    That may not be reality. Osama and some of his friends were pissed off enough and cold enough to plan and execute a crime. Why should go to war with everyone that looks like him or has some of the same beliefs as him?
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abuskedti wrote:
    That may not be reality. Osama and some of his friends were pissed off enough and cold enough to plan and execute a crime. Why should go to war with everyone that looks like him or has some of the same beliefs as him?

    Because this wasn't an isolated incident. (see WTC in 1993, the Cole, etc.) I don't advocate warring with people that look like him, I do support warring with people (and nations that support these people) who share his beliefs. The point is, he was calling a terrorist act a terrorist act. Also, terrorism is a tactic used by political movements...so by it's nature, the event is open to "politicizing." Again, it wasn't a natural disaster.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • AbuskedtiAbuskedti Posts: 1,917
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    Because this wasn't an isolated incident. (see WTC in 1993, the Cole, etc.) I don't advocate warring with people that look like him, I do support warring with people (and nations that support these people) who share his beliefs.

    He is not supported by any nation. You think we should seek out and kill people because of what we believe they believe?
  • dkst0426dkst0426 Posts: 523
    ItsEvolutionBaby74 wrote:
    George W Douche can say whatever he will, as long as he is out of office or possibly sooner. *hint* Impeachment Law *hint*. CLINTON '08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes, because that would be SUCH a better option. :rolleyes:

    By the way, there is already a process for impeachment. I would have guessed a Clintonite would know that. Either that, or they'd be purposely ignoring that fact.
  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    Abuskedti wrote:
    He is not supported by any nation. You think we should seek out and kill people because of what we believe they believe?

    no, we need to kill them if they SAY they want to kill us. I believe them because they actually do it. And any nation that aids the enemy needs to be held accountable.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,310
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    So, you would prefer that he (and everyone else) treat it as some random event, like an earthquake or tsunami? I don't see the propoganda - he said there is an enemy that has waged war on us, and that the war won't end until we or our enemies win. Why is that propoganda? He's just stating reality.

    after he mentioned the women who lost her husband in the WTC, i couldn't help but think of the ??,000 families that are facing the same thing in iraq right now. the whole thing is a clusterfuck, and it sucks that he used 9-11 as a crutch, as he always has in any speech he gives, to somehow connect the war to that tragic event...seriously, we have no concept of whats going on over there, and if we did, we would get out asap. over 100 people die a day gang...think about it.
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  • Purple HawkPurple Hawk Posts: 1,300
    NewJPage wrote:
    after he mentioned the women who lost her husband in the WTC, i couldn't help but think of the ??,000 families that are facing the same thing in iraq right now. the whole thing is a clusterfuck, and it sucks that he used 9-11 as a crutch, as he always has in any speech he gives, to somehow connect the war to that tragic event...seriously, we have no concept of whats going on over there, and if we did, we would get out asap. over 100 people die a day gang...think about it.

    I think the view that he is using 9/11 as a crutch for Iraq is somewhat short shighted (not meant to be insulting, the best I can come up with). I'm not sure what it is people thinks he wants to come out of Iraq. Whatever your opinion on going there, we are there. And I think a lot of people understand what's going on. So we need to figure out the best solution, which Bush thinks it's making sure the Iraqi army and security forces are equipped to handle militas and other groups creating instability. But that's besides the point,

    I just don't see why it's a bad thing to reflect on the anniversary of a terror attack by calling it a terror attack and vowing to go after those who would do a similar attack in the future.
    And you ask me what I want this year
    And I try to make this kind and clear
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
    Cuz I don't need boxes wrapped in strings
    And desire and love and empty things
    Just a chance that maybe we'll find better days
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    "the strongest weapon in our arsenal is the power of freedom."

    I wish he actually understood that.
  • JD SalJD Sal Posts: 790
    farfromglorified wrote:
    "the strongest weapon in our arsenal is the power of freedom."

    I wish he actually understood that.

    I wish he understood a lot of things.

    He actually said to Katie Couric the other day, "One of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror."
    "If no one sees you, you're not here at all"
  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    Purple Hawk wrote:
    So, you would prefer that he (and everyone else) treat it as some random event, like an earthquake or tsunami? I don't see the propoganda - he said there is an enemy that has waged war on us, and that the war won't end until we or our enemies win. Why is that propoganda? He's just stating reality.

    What propoganda? The terrorists are in Afgh and the taliban is actually making a come back there. Bin Ladin is still out there, Al Queda could attack us any day now and this excuse for president is equating the mess in Iraq with the war against terror. Who is our enemy? Do you even know?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    farfromglorified wrote:
    "the strongest weapon in our arsenal is the power of freedom."

    I wish he actually understood that.

    yeah what does that mean? to me it is total bullshit. i thought "nukulur" weapons were the strongest weapons in the ol' arsenal.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • farfromglorifiedfarfromglorified Posts: 5,696
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    yeah what does that mean? to me it is total bullshit. i thought "nukulur" weapons were the strongest weapons in the ol' arsenal.

    No, it's not bullshit. It's just said by a man who doesn't understand that freedom can't come at the point of a gun and that everything he hates about these terrorists is what he's become.
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah..


    Just thought I'd add to the opinions posted here. :p
  • WindNoSailWindNoSail Posts: 580
    Seems to me the only fighting the Democrats are for is with Republicans. Meanwhile we got all kinds of evidence that we are being targeted and that we aren't very good at facing the threat that lies before us. We'd rather fight amongst ourselves, wring our hands, and hope that if we just ignore the problem it will go away.

    I suggest that we realize that there are good people all over the world that don't want war, but that those that do want war and seek it for idealogy will forever take advantage of us who do not want war. We are at the tipping point I think.

    I am sure that we cannot change the minds and hearts of those that seek to destroy us based on their twisting of religion. We really don't have a choice anymore. If you want to hold out that it is all Bush's fault and this would all be fine if he was out of office, then you are just delaying the inevitable. This was going on before Bush, it will continue after him.

    I am willing to sacrifice my peaceful existence on this planet so that my kids won't have to face the same, or their kids. My life is not peaceful now anyway, so might as well get on with it.

    But I don't want to die or see my friends and family die senslessly because we are waiting and hoping this problem goes away. I'd much rather face it head on and sacrifice now for a better tomorrow.

    I'd like to start with profiling at the airport, securing borders, and getting control on who is in this country and for what reasons, and where they are. I don't care about PC thought. I figure that a good Muslim wouldn't have much of a problem being profiled at the airport since he probably is just as worried about a radical flying his plane into a building as I am.
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  • monkey spankermonkey spanker Posts: 283
    WindNoSail wrote:
    Seems to me the only fighting the Democrats are for is with Republicans. Meanwhile we got all kinds of evidence that we are being targeted and that we aren't very good at facing the threat that lies before us. We'd rather fight amongst ourselves, wring our hands, and hope that if we just ignore the problem it will go away.

    I suggest that we realize that there are good people all over the world that don't want war, but that those that do want war and seek it for idealogy will forever take advantage of us who do not want war. We are at the tipping point I think.

    I am sure that we cannot change the minds and hearts of those that seek to destroy us based on their twisting of religion. We really don't have a choice anymore. If you want to hold out that it is all Bush's fault and this would all be fine if he was out of office, then you are just delaying the inevitable. This was going on before Bush, it will continue after him.

    I am willing to sacrifice my peaceful existence on this planet so that my kids won't have to face the same, or their kids. My life is not peaceful now anyway, so might as well get on with it.

    But I don't want to die or see my friends and family die senslessly because we are waiting and hoping this problem goes away. I'd much rather face it head on and sacrifice now for a better tomorrow.

    I'd like to start with profiling at the airport, securing borders, and getting control on who is in this country and for what reasons, and where they are. I don't care about PC thought. I figure that a good Muslim wouldn't have much of a problem being profiled at the airport since he probably is just as worried about a radical flying his plane into a building as I am.

    nicely put. very nicely put.
  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    "the strongest weapon in our arsenal is the power of freedom"

    I think he got that from Capt. Eo.
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  • mrwalkerbmrwalkerb Posts: 1,015
    Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
    -- Herman Goering


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  • WindNoSailWindNoSail Posts: 580
    mrwalkerb wrote:
    Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."
    -- Herman Goering


    Am I the only one that remembers this quote from the ten club newsletter?

    Yeah that pretty much applies to wars of history. But damnit, that only applies when your leaders drag you into war....not when the enemy does. Come on, you can't apply the logic of all the wars that leaders dragged their people into for power and greed and compare that with this war we apparently have with Islamic terrorists.

    There has to be something said for protecting yourself, your country, your family, your constitution. Believe me, I am not going to form my political views on the 10club newsletter. I will consider it, but not bow to a rock band made up of guys that didn't graduate from high school.

    Eddie, I love you man :)
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  • spongersponger Posts: 3,159
    WindNoSail wrote:
    I will consider it, but not bow to a rock band made up of guys that didn't graduate from high school.

    That only means they got tired of being brainwashed.
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  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    WindNoSail wrote:
    Yeah that pretty much applies to wars of history. But damnit, that only applies when your leaders drag you into war....not when the enemy does. Come on, you can't apply the logic of all the wars that leaders dragged their people into for power and greed and compare that with this war we apparently have with Islamic terrorists.

    There has to be something said for protecting yourself, your country, your family, your constitution. Believe me, I am not going to form my political views on the 10club newsletter. I will consider it, but not bow to a rock band made up of guys that didn't graduate from high school.

    Eddie, I love you man :)
    i just read your last post and this one.all i gotta say is fuck yeah dude,dead on.god if more people on both side thought like u did,this country would be great.id vote for u into office
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  • WindNoSailWindNoSail Posts: 580
    metsfan531941 wrote:
    i just read your last post and this one.all i gotta say is fuck yeah dude,dead on.god if more people on both side thought like u did,this country would be great.id vote for u into office

    thanks, I will let you know when I secure a million dollars for the campaign :)
    HOB 10.05.2005, E Rutherford 06.03.2006, The Gorge 07.22.2006, Lolla 08.05.2007, West Palm 06.11.2008, Tampa 06.12.2008, Columbia 06.16.2008, EV Memphis 06.20.2009, New Orleans 05.01.2010, Kansas City 05.03.2010
  • Gary CarterGary Carter Posts: 14,067
    WindNoSail wrote:
    thanks, I will let you know when I secure a million dollars for the campaign :)
    id start in the bible belt,just tell them jesus is cool.those crazies will believe anything
    Ron: I just don't feel like going out tonight
    Sammi: Wanna just break up?

  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    WindNoSail wrote:
    Seems to me the only fighting the Democrats are for is with Republicans. Meanwhile we got all kinds of evidence that we are being targeted and that we aren't very good at facing the threat that lies before us. We'd rather fight amongst ourselves, wring our hands, and hope that if we just ignore the problem it will go away.

    I suggest that we realize that there are good people all over the world that don't want war, but that those that do want war and seek it for idealogy will forever take advantage of us who do not want war. We are at the tipping point I think.

    I am sure that we cannot change the minds and hearts of those that seek to destroy us based on their twisting of religion. We really don't have a choice anymore. If you want to hold out that it is all Bush's fault and this would all be fine if he was out of office, then you are just delaying the inevitable. This was going on before Bush, it will continue after him.

    I am willing to sacrifice my peaceful existence on this planet so that my kids won't have to face the same, or their kids. My life is not peaceful now anyway, so might as well get on with it.

    But I don't want to die or see my friends and family die senslessly because we are waiting and hoping this problem goes away. I'd much rather face it head on and sacrifice now for a better tomorrow.

    I'd like to start with profiling at the airport, securing borders, and getting control on who is in this country and for what reasons, and where they are. I don't care about PC thought. I figure that a good Muslim wouldn't have much of a problem being profiled at the airport since he probably is just as worried about a radical flying his plane into a building as I am.

    Again how are you equating Iraq with the war against terror? Stop seeing what you want to see and see the truth. Killing will only lead to more killing, isnt that obvious by now? How do you feel safer now anyways, what have we done but to piss off more people and create new terrorists? The more we kill the more we create.
  • Puck78Puck78 Posts: 737
    Open wrote:
    What propoganda? The terrorists are in Afgh and the taliban is actually making a come back there. Bin Ladin is still out there, Al Queda could attack us any day now and this excuse for president is equating the mess in Iraq with the war against terror. Who is our enemy? Do you even know?
    you don't certainly know, considered that you're not able to spell correctly Bin Laden...
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  • OpenOpen Posts: 792
    Yeah..you got me there...but people like that here considering they voted for a president that can't speak.
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