When will Micheal Richards stop apologizing?

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  • aBoxOfFear wrote:
    i'm surprised that not much has been made about michaels' comment "50 years ago we would have hung you upside down with a fork up your ass". so far it's just been his use of the n-word. i thought his "hanging" comment was just as bad, or worse. what, just because he got heckled, he had to point out the fact that not long ago black people were being hanged?? what a racist dick. to me, that comment is the equivalent of saying to a jewish person "50 years ago we would have stuck you in an oven with a fork up your ass". i can't believe no one is talking about that as much as his use of the n-word.

    I agree, that comment is terrible and inexcusably racist. Like he's proud of it or something. Smacks of superiority to me too.
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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Why is it that some people here insist on making out that there is racism against white people like its an equal thing? *sigh* Middle-class white americans are practically the most priviledged people <i>on earth</i>. Why whine about some reverse racism which frankly doesn't even mean anything?!

    I'll just overlook the fact that you're talking shit for a minute, and just point out that I was actually referring to homophobia and racism against other minority groups, relative to racism against blacks. My comments could apply to racism against whites too, though.
  • I'll just overlook the fact that you're talking shit for a minute, and just point out that I was actually referring to homophobia and racism against other minority groups, relative to racism against blacks. My comments could apply to racism against whites too, though.


    Oh right, nice get-out clause. :P
    "We have to change the concept of patriotism to one of “matriotism” — love of humanity that transcends war. A matriarch would never send her own children off to wars that kill other people’s children." Cindy Sheehan
    ---
    London, Brixton, 14 July 1993
    London, Wembley, 1996
    London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
    London, O2, 18 August 2009
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
    Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
    London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 06 June 2017
    London, O2, 18 June 2018
    London, O2, 17 July 2018
    Amsterdam, Afas Live (Ed solo), 09 June 2019
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  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Oh right, nice get-out clause. :P

    You could go back and actually re-read the original post, if you wanted.
  • Middle-class white americans are practically the most priviledged people <i>on earth</i>. Why whine about some reverse racism which frankly doesn't even mean anything?!

    what do you mean by "reverse racism"?
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  • Cosmo wrote:
    These 'Racism! Racism!' things always spin out of control. Yeah, the guy's a dick... (I know a gal who used to waitress at a place near the studios and she told me a long time ago that Kramer and George were assholes... Jerry and Elaine were nice and Jerry was a great tipper)... he let his true colors fly... just like Mel did... and got busted.
    Say you're sorry and mean it.
    Continually sucking on Blackzilla only makes you a cock-sucker... just apologise for your actions... mean it... and accept what people give you.


    Well said and exactly how I feel. Apologize and be on with it. Stop trying to be someone you're not. We know you're an asshole and obviously have SOME disrespect for blacks, to let it get out like that. But, an apology for offending some people and having it go public suffices. Some will choose to boycott you and some won't even care, but ENOUGH already.

    LMAO at Blackzilla. :D
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    black people tip poorly. i worked in a restaurant and i saw it on a regular basis. am i a racist now?
  • black people tip poorly. i worked in a restaurant and i saw it on a regular basis. am i a racist now?


    Haha. I wouldn't go that far, but the Baptist's (who are predominantly black) tip HORRIBLY. They had a convention every year next door to this place I worked.
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  • black people tip poorly. i worked in a restaurant and i saw it on a regular basis. am i a racist now?


    Me too! 1 out of six tip
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  • ah ha! i KNEW you had no sense of humor!
    No, we consider seinfeld to be a typical american sense of humour... i.e. not funny at all ;)
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  • cutback wrote:
    WOW. That was a dumb thing to do. Next time you're in LA let me know. You don't need to go to south central to have a good time.
    Thanks :o it wasn't intentional and if we knew where we were going, we probably may not have gone. We'd been drinking in the same bar every night but it closed at 2am. There was a black guy we'd been chatting to most nights so when we asked the barman where we could go that was open later, he said to ask him. So we did, he said he was going to a club and we were more than welcome to join him... didn't say we may not be welcome there at all. AND as soon as we got into the club, he fucked off and left us, two girls on our own to deal with this. Thankfully, we DID meet some really cool people who were looking out for us until we got a taxi. One guy even offered to hotwire a car and drive us back to the hotel :o it was tempting if we'd been there for much longer :D . It was mainly the women who had a problem with us I think, none of the men said or did anything and were pretty helpful and were genuinely trying to find a way for us to get away.

    We drank in a black pub in New York one night and it was the best craic we had over there. Instead of standing out being a bad thing, everyone wanted to talk to us :) . Probably helped that the cousin I was with that time used to be Miss Dublin :D
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    ...it wasn't intentional and if we knew where we were going, we probably may not have gone...

    Yup, and if Michael Richards knew where he was going, he wouldn't have either.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • Ahnimus wrote:
    Yup, and if Michael Richards knew where he was going, he wouldn't have either.
    :D:D:D Oh come on, I'm no Michael Richards :D
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • evenkatevenkat Posts: 380
    Thanks :o it wasn't intentional and if we knew where we were going, we probably may not have gone. We'd been drinking in the same bar every night but it closed at 2am. There was a black guy we'd been chatting to most nights so when we asked the barman where we could go that was open later, he said to ask him. So we did, he said he was going to a club and we were more than welcome to join him... didn't say we may not be welcome there at all. AND as soon as we got into the club, he fucked off and left us, two girls on our own to deal with this. Thankfully, we DID meet some really cool people who were looking out for us until we got a taxi. One guy even offered to hotwire a car and drive us back to the hotel :o it was tempting if we'd been there for much longer :D . It was mainly the women who had a problem with us I think, none of the men said or did anything and were pretty helpful and were genuinely trying to find a way for us to get away.

    We drank in a black pub in New York one night and it was the best craic we had over there. Instead of standing out being a bad thing, everyone wanted to talk to us :) . Probably helped that the cousin I was with that time used to be Miss Dublin :D

    You 'probably' may not have gone? :eek:
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  • evenkatevenkat Posts: 380
    No, we consider seinfeld to be a typical american sense of humour... i.e. not funny at all ;)

    Ummm...hello ;) . I actually didn't think it was funny at first either. It took a while to grow on me. Friends made me laugh my ass off right from the first episode until the last one. I loved that show.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    :D:D:D Oh come on, I'm no Michael Richards :D

    Certainly not :)

    I'm just saying that if we all know where we are going, we might not go.

    The reason Michael Richards is apologizing is because he knows where he went, but didn't know he was going there before he went there.
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • evenkat wrote:
    You 'probably' may not have gone? :eek:
    well ok if he had explained that we were going to a place where people were going to pick fights with us straight away and that there's no way we'd even manage to get a DRINK :eek: what would be the point. But I think if he had said he was bringing us to the hood and maybe if he had a few friends or something, I wouldn't be the kinda person to think 'oh fuck, I'm going to the hood, no way'... although I would now :o

    Friends WAS great :D and I was only joking :p

    Well ahnimus, it's a good story to have though, isn't it? Didn't feel like it at the time :o but it's not really that big of a deal I suppose. It's like when tourists say they want to go to Belfast (and they say it in a 'see I'm fearless' kinda way) and I think 'so what? We've all been there' :D
    The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
    Verona??? it's all surmountable
    Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
    Wembley? We all believe!
    Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
    Chicago 07? And love
    What a different life
    Had I not found this love with you
  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Well ahnimus, it's a good story to have though, isn't it? Didn't feel like it at the time :o but it's not really that big of a deal I suppose. It's like when tourists say they want to go to Belfast (and they say it in a 'see I'm fearless' kinda way) and I think 'so what? We've all been there' :D

    Hehe, I totally agree, see the thread "Free-Will" for more of what I mean :)
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  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    It does the job of marking the ascendancy of black Americans
    By JOHN RIDLEY

    Time
    Posted Sunday, Dec. 3, 2006

    Nigger.
    Take a real good gander at it. Two syllables. Six letters. And give it a goodbye. 'Cause right now nigger's on a linguistic hit list. If the verbal totalitarians have their way, they will take a blowtorch to the word, light it up and not stop burning until even the embers and ash aren't fit to be returned to the earth.
    But what would we really be destroying? There is no other word in our culture that incites, infuriates, confounds and informs as does the word nigger. Who uses it, how it's used, which washed-up actor turned comic (think Michael Richards) shoulda stayed the hell clear of the word--they all help mark the ascension of black America through the cultural landscape. In art and letters and theater and comedy, this one word, this mangle of Latin and French and Spanish, has been description and slur and salutation, and in each incarnation a curio of our society.
    No matter the classic book The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn is set in an antebellum age; the plight of runaway slave Nigger Jim is given equal consideration as that of his young white friend. Through Nigger Jim, the concept of racial parity, the examination of the system of slavery were forced upon Southern segregationists.
    Should we also toss on the fire Dick Gregory's autobiography, written for cross-consumption as a harsh accounting of the racial indignities heaped upon a young black as he travels from boy to man? The book's ultimate satirical trick was to flip the slur into a sales tool. Its title: Nigger! "Whenever you hear the word 'nigger,'" Gregory wrote in the introduction, "you'll know they're advertising my book." Call a man a nigger, earn a brother a dollar.
    Jump to Hollywood's blaxploitation era in the 1960s, when blacks suddenly were allowed to make movies told from our point of view. Melvin Van Peebles' 1971 Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song--an ode to a wronged black man on the run from the cops--introduced the lead character as a "baadasssss nigger coming back to collect some dues!" And that "nigger" in the film, as Van Peebles tells it, snapped the streak of "liberal, sort of nice movies where we always ended up dead at the end."
    In 1984's A Soldier's Story, a black military officer is investigating the murder of an unpopular black soldier near an Army base in Louisiana. Sergeant Waters, the victim, brutally compels a young black private to give up his country ways and "quit thinking like a nigger." It was a rarely seen public representation of our private interactions: the impatience some blacks have with a victim mentality. Shocking. Powerful. A message to a white populace that we are not lemmings. And that even among ourselves, we're not a single tribe.
    Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock have all traded on demystifying nigger. And in doing so, they have advanced the racial debate further than a thousand roundtable discussions populated with the best Ivy League minds. Pryor and Chevy Chase's Saturday Night Live "word association" sketch was a prime example of comedy's power to explore racial interplay in the workplace, the constant questioning of blacks as to when a comment is harmless and when is it racist. Chase is the white human-resources executive. Pryor, the black job applicant. What begins with Chase: "White," Pryor: "Black," devolves through Chase: "Negro," Pryor: "Whitey," Chase: "Colored," Pryor: "Redneck," Chase: "Jungle bunny," Pryor: "Honky!" Chase: "Nigger," Pryor: "Dead honky!"
    1976. Silver Streak, Pryor and Gene Wilder's comedic take on The Defiant Ones. In the penultimate moment, Pryor's character, camouflaged as a lowly train porter, flips a gat on the uppity white villain, demanding to know, in a brilliant combination of anger and comic timing, "Who you callin' nigger?" Yeah. That was all of us. That was all of black America wanting to know from any race baiter as we moved through the Establishment: Excuse me, who exactly are you calling nigger?
    And a couple of mollycoddles out there want to put the kibosh on that? Line 'em up, man. Line up pop culture from The Nigger of the Narcissus to The Birth of a Nation to To Kill a Mockingbird, right on through N.W.A. and "Niggas vs. Black People," and on to comedian Dave Chappelle playing a blind Ku Klux Klan member who ends up yelling "nigger" at himself.
    In an era of enlightenment and free communication, do we really want to wipe out the work of the satirists who shove and cajole, who take language and thought by the throat and force us to confront with wit and guile what most refuse to face? We need this word. Relax. Take a deep breath. It's gonna be cool. Two syllables. Six letters. It's not the word, only the fear that needs to be put aside.

    John Ridley is a commentator and author of The American Way, a graphic-novel series to be published in February
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    My sediments exactly Collin :)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Ahnimus wrote:
    My sediments exactly Collin :)

    I thought it was an interesting read and since I have now access to the Time archive, I thought I'd give it a go.
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  • AhnimusAhnimus Posts: 10,560
    Collin wrote:
    I thought it was an interesting read and since I have now access to the Time archive, I thought I'd give it a go.

    That Chase-Pryor skit is a classic :)
    I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    Ahnimus wrote:
    That Chase-Pryor skit is a classic :)

    Indeed it is, I just knew the author would mention it.
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  • seanw1010seanw1010 Posts: 1,205
    doesnt jackson cheat on his wife?
    they call them fingers, but i never see them fing. oh, there they go
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    Collin wrote:
    It does the job of marking the ascendancy of black Americans
    By JOHN RIDLEY

    Time
    Posted Sunday, Dec. 3, 2006

    Nigger.
    Take a real good gander at it. Two syllables. Six letters. And give it a goodbye. 'Cause right now nigger's on a linguistic hit list. If the verbal totalitarians have their way, they will take a blowtorch to the word, light it up and not stop burning until even the embers and ash aren't fit to be returned to the earth.
    But what would we really be destroying? There is no other word in our culture that incites, infuriates, confounds and informs as does the word nigger. Who uses it, how it's used, which washed-up actor turned comic (think Michael Richards) shoulda stayed the hell clear of the word--they all help mark the ascension of black America through the cultural landscape. In art and letters and theater and comedy, this one word, this mangle of Latin and French and Spanish, has been description and slur and salutation, and in each incarnation a curio of our society.
    No matter the classic book The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn is set in an antebellum age; the plight of runaway slave Nigger Jim is given equal consideration as that of his young white friend. Through Nigger Jim, the concept of racial parity, the examination of the system of slavery were forced upon Southern segregationists.
    Should we also toss on the fire Dick Gregory's autobiography, written for cross-consumption as a harsh accounting of the racial indignities heaped upon a young black as he travels from boy to man? The book's ultimate satirical trick was to flip the slur into a sales tool. Its title: Nigger! "Whenever you hear the word 'nigger,'" Gregory wrote in the introduction, "you'll know they're advertising my book." Call a man a nigger, earn a brother a dollar.
    Jump to Hollywood's blaxploitation era in the 1960s, when blacks suddenly were allowed to make movies told from our point of view. Melvin Van Peebles' 1971 Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song--an ode to a wronged black man on the run from the cops--introduced the lead character as a "baadasssss nigger coming back to collect some dues!" And that "nigger" in the film, as Van Peebles tells it, snapped the streak of "liberal, sort of nice movies where we always ended up dead at the end."
    In 1984's A Soldier's Story, a black military officer is investigating the murder of an unpopular black soldier near an Army base in Louisiana. Sergeant Waters, the victim, brutally compels a young black private to give up his country ways and "quit thinking like a nigger." It was a rarely seen public representation of our private interactions: the impatience some blacks have with a victim mentality. Shocking. Powerful. A message to a white populace that we are not lemmings. And that even among ourselves, we're not a single tribe.
    Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy and Chris Rock have all traded on demystifying nigger. And in doing so, they have advanced the racial debate further than a thousand roundtable discussions populated with the best Ivy League minds. Pryor and Chevy Chase's Saturday Night Live "word association" sketch was a prime example of comedy's power to explore racial interplay in the workplace, the constant questioning of blacks as to when a comment is harmless and when is it racist. Chase is the white human-resources executive. Pryor, the black job applicant. What begins with Chase: "White," Pryor: "Black," devolves through Chase: "Negro," Pryor: "Whitey," Chase: "Colored," Pryor: "Redneck," Chase: "Jungle bunny," Pryor: "Honky!" Chase: "Nigger," Pryor: "Dead honky!"
    1976. Silver Streak, Pryor and Gene Wilder's comedic take on The Defiant Ones. In the penultimate moment, Pryor's character, camouflaged as a lowly train porter, flips a gat on the uppity white villain, demanding to know, in a brilliant combination of anger and comic timing, "Who you callin' nigger?" Yeah. That was all of us. That was all of black America wanting to know from any race baiter as we moved through the Establishment: Excuse me, who exactly are you calling nigger?
    And a couple of mollycoddles out there want to put the kibosh on that? Line 'em up, man. Line up pop culture from The Nigger of the Narcissus to The Birth of a Nation to To Kill a Mockingbird, right on through N.W.A. and "Niggas vs. Black People," and on to comedian Dave Chappelle playing a blind Ku Klux Klan member who ends up yelling "nigger" at himself.
    In an era of enlightenment and free communication, do we really want to wipe out the work of the satirists who shove and cajole, who take language and thought by the throat and force us to confront with wit and guile what most refuse to face? We need this word. Relax. Take a deep breath. It's gonna be cool. Two syllables. Six letters. It's not the word, only the fear that needs to be put aside.

    John Ridley is a commentator and author of The American Way, a graphic-novel series to be published in February

    That was a very good read.
  • damn

    too much unfair pressure against all of you whiteys.
    fight the power as usual reborn. :p

    :rolleyes:

    edit: this came out weird on paper.....but yeah, lots of peeps do need to apologize too. yup.
    Rarghstarfarian.
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    damn

    too much unfair pressure against all of you whiteys.
    fight the power as usual reborn. :p

    :rolleyes:

    edit: this came out weird on paper.....but yeah, lots of peeps do need to apologize too. yup.

    Hey, if this man's apologetic crusade makes you all hot and bothered, power to ya. Call me crazy for thinking once or twice is good enough.
  • mookie9999mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    VictoryGin wrote:
    i don't know anyone who is scared of harlem at night. especially my friends who live there. have you been lately?

    Let me guess. Your friends live in the low, low 100's? Perhaps, even 98th st on the east side?!?!?
    "The leads are weak!"

    "The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"

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    "FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
  • CollinCollin Posts: 4,931
    mookie9999 wrote:
    Let me guess. Your friends live in the low, low 100's? Perhaps, even 98th st on the east side?!?!?

    Where is it more dangerous? 130+ ?
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  • mookie9999mookie9999 Posts: 4,677
    Collin wrote:
    Where is it more dangerous? 130+ ?

    Look out I'm about to use the "g" word. But with the continuing escalated prices of Manhattan real estate, rich white people finally figured out if you just go up a few blocks and start buying brownstones and townhouses you can force the low-middle income folks out (gentrification anyone?) and up. Then you have these young first time homebuyers attempting to draw attention to themselves by constantly talking about how they "live in Harlem". Harlem may be "safer" now because the low income residents have been forced up and out. For increased crime you need to look no further than the Bronx and certain parts of Brooklyn and Queens where people who are forever down on their luck (minorities/immigrants) try to live the only way they know how. (Sorry, I couldn't refrain from using a line from the Dukes of Hazzard theme song, after all what would a discussion about race be without an orange car with a confederate flag on top?)
    "The leads are weak!"

    "The leads are weak? Fuckin' leads are weak? You're Weak! I've Been in this business 15 years"

    "What's your name?"

    "FUCK YOU! THAT"S MY NAME!"
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