I wasn't referring to Harlem specifically ... My statement was intended to be more general. I am willing to believe you when you say that Harlem is relatively safe.
So take a freaking pill.
amen. it was an example, maybe a poor one. but not everyone in the world knows every detail about nyc and its demographics. i loathe new yorkers who seem shocked that not everyone knows the ins and outs of every burrough.
and that is my point. noticing or being aware of differences does not if the guys in the audience had been white fratboys at duke and richards had gone on a rant about pampered rich date rapists, people woulda shrugged it off and said the boys got what they deserved for being obnoxious at a comedy show.
Indeed ... And that's kind of the point I was trying to make in this thread. In the U.S., you can actually get away with saying quite a few bigoted things. Just don't target black folks.
amen. it was an example, maybe a poor one. but not everyone in the world knows every detail about nyc and its demographics. i loathe new yorkers who seem shocked that not everyone knows the ins and outs of every burrough.
And Harlem DOES have a reputation for violence, and sorry, its not just because of black residents. Historically, crime was actually really bad there. If that's no longer the case, cool.
I wasn't referring to Harlem specifically ... My statement was intended to be more general. I am willing to believe you when you say that Harlem is relatively safe.
So take a freaking pill.
well i assumed you were referring to harlem specifically when your response quoted the specific mention of harlem.
i don't need a freaking pill, but thanks.
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cross the river to the eastside
amen. it was an example, maybe a poor one. but not everyone in the world knows every detail about nyc and its demographics. i loathe new yorkers who seem shocked that not everyone knows the ins and outs of every burrough.
i can't speak for all new yorkers, but i know with me i'm not shocked when everyone isn't aware of every nyc detail. i'm more irritated when people make uninformed and incorrect claims, especially about a place they've never been.
if you wanna be a friend of mine
cross the river to the eastside
Didn't those hecklers make some extreme racial remarks to Richards too? How come they're getting a free ride in all of this, and not getting any bashing for their remarks?
Didn't those hecklers make some extreme racial remarks to Richards too? How come they're getting a free ride in all of this, and not getting any bashing for their remarks?
cos they're black and black people can't be racist in america. they're always the victim.
i'm surprised that not much has been made about michaels' comment "50 years ago we would have hung you upside down with a fork up your ass". so far it's just been his use of the n-word. i thought his "hanging" comment was just as bad, or worse. what, just because he got heckled, he had to point out the fact that not long ago black people were being hanged?? what a racist dick. to me, that comment is the equivalent of saying to a jewish person "50 years ago we would have stuck you in an oven with a fork up your ass". i can't believe no one is talking about that as much as his use of the n-word.
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The real problem is that too many people - including all the so-called activists that have gotten involved - are focusing on the word "n*igger," and that is NOT the main issue.
1. Michael Richards has no business using the word n*igger - TRUE
2. In the context of the situation, the word was used in a hateful and malicious manner - TRUE
3. In the heat of the moment, people can blurt out widely used hurtful words and stereotypes - TRUE
# 3 is why screaming the word n*gger, while very wrong, doesn't necessarily in and of itself make the man a racist.
HOWEVER...
"50 years ago we'd have you upside down with a fuckin' fork in your ass...that's what happens when you interrupt the white man, don't you know?"
This train of thought goes well beyond your average attack in the heat of the moment. Neither a desriptive accounting of a lynched man, nor this aura of white supremacy are in the everyday lexicon of American stereotypes about black people - or any other group for that matter.
He had this in him...it may have been buried so deeply that his only racist actions were subtle and he may not have even been very aware of it, but what he expressed here goes way beyond a little bit of bias coming out in a rant.
The real problem is that too many people - including all the so-called activists that have gotten involved - are focusing on the word "n*igger," and that is NOT the main issue.
1. Michael Richards has no business using the word n*igger - TRUE
2. In the context of the situation, the word was used in a hateful and malicious manner - TRUE
3. In the heat of the moment, people can blurt out widely used hurtful words and stereotypes - TRUE
# 3 is why screaming the word n*gger, while very wrong, doesn't necessarily in and of itself make the man a racist.
HOWEVER...
"50 years ago we'd have you upside down with a fuckin' fork in your ass...that's what happens when you interrupt the white man, don't you know?"
This train of thought goes well beyond your average attack in the heat of the moment. Neither a desriptive accounting of a lynched man, nor this aura of white supremacy are in the everyday lexicon of American stereotypes about black people - or any other group for that matter.
He had this in him...it may have been buried so deeply that his only racist actions were subtle and he may not have even been very aware of it, but what he expressed here goes way beyond a little bit of bias coming out in a rant.
BRA-VO!
We have made that word the test for whether or not someone is a racist. If Richards had just made the fork in the ass comment, we'd probably be called PC for thinking he was racist (I guess we sometimes are anyway).
Here is why I feel the word is "overrated" in determining racism:
1. When the word is used, the context is never introduced. Regardless of the context, the user is immediately determined to be a racist.
2. A person can say the most ridiculous, repulsive, racist shit, but if (s)he does not use the word, (s)he cannot be called out for it. You do not have to say the word to be a racist.
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Seinfeld was crap!!!! Absolutely crap! I never understood why it was so big in the states cos I don't know ONE person who watches it here. I tried to watch it once or twice and it made me feel... stupid for watching it.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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All cities have their issues, but it seems those in NYC get exaggerated. Maybe it's the movies, the history, I don't know.
Moving away from NY for a second, we ended up in the hood when we were in LA. When we got there, I thought 'oh this is great, we get to a place not many white people go to... and it should be a bit livelier than the pubs we've been going to'. I wasn't one bit scared. Walked into the club and when everyone turned and glared at us I thought 'oh they'll get over it, let's just get a drink'. We didn't even make it to the bar with the amount of people coming up to us telling us we should leave because we were in very serious danger of being raped or killed... and they were telling us this out of concern. By the time we FINALLY got a taxi (about 2 hours later) I was very very very scared.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Seinfeld was crap!!!! Absolutely crap! I never understood why it was so big in the states cos I don't know ONE person who watches it here. I tried to watch it once or twice and it made me feel... stupid for watching it.
I feel the same way. But if I did like Seinfeld and one of the cast said something offensive about me, I would still watch it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
I feel the same way. But if I did like Seinfeld and one of the cast said something offensive about me, I would still watch it.
I don't think I could, well I physically could but it wouldn't be the same anymore.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Seinfeld was crap!!!! Absolutely crap! I never understood why it was so big in the states cos I don't know ONE person who watches it here. I tried to watch it once or twice and it made me feel... stupid for watching it.
But I dare say that racism against non-black minorities seems to fly more often. I think we need to play catch up.
Why is it that some people here insist on making out that there is racism against white people like its an equal thing? *sigh* Middle-class white americans are practically the most priviledged people <i>on earth</i>. Why whine about some reverse racism which frankly doesn't even mean anything?!
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Why is it that some people here insist on making out that there is racism against white people like its an equal thing? *sigh* Middle-class white americans are practically the most priviledged people <i>on earth</i>. Why whine about some reverse racism which frankly doesn't even mean anything?!
It means something. The butterfly effect.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Moving away from NY for a second, we ended up in the hood when we were in LA. When we got there, I thought 'oh this is great, we get to a place not many white people go to... and it should be a bit livelier than the pubs we've been going to'. I wasn't one bit scared. Walked into the club and when everyone turned and glared at us I thought 'oh they'll get over it, let's just get a drink'. We didn't even make it to the bar with the amount of people coming up to us telling us we should leave because we were in very serious danger of being raped or killed... and they were telling us this out of concern. By the time we FINALLY got a taxi (about 2 hours later) I was very very very scared.
WOW. That was a dumb thing to do. Next time you're in LA let me know. You don't need to go to south central to have a good time.
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amen. it was an example, maybe a poor one. but not everyone in the world knows every detail about nyc and its demographics. i loathe new yorkers who seem shocked that not everyone knows the ins and outs of every burrough.
Indeed ... And that's kind of the point I was trying to make in this thread. In the U.S., you can actually get away with saying quite a few bigoted things. Just don't target black folks.
And Harlem DOES have a reputation for violence, and sorry, its not just because of black residents. Historically, crime was actually really bad there. If that's no longer the case, cool.
well i assumed you were referring to harlem specifically when your response quoted the specific mention of harlem.
i don't need a freaking pill, but thanks.
cross the river to the eastside
i can't speak for all new yorkers, but i know with me i'm not shocked when everyone isn't aware of every nyc detail. i'm more irritated when people make uninformed and incorrect claims, especially about a place they've never been.
cross the river to the eastside
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cos they're black and black people can't be racist in america. they're always the victim.
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Another habit like an unwanted friend
I'm so happy with my righteous self
It SHOULD be BS, but I'm not sure that it is.
I love it!
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
1. Michael Richards has no business using the word n*igger - TRUE
2. In the context of the situation, the word was used in a hateful and malicious manner - TRUE
3. In the heat of the moment, people can blurt out widely used hurtful words and stereotypes - TRUE
# 3 is why screaming the word n*gger, while very wrong, doesn't necessarily in and of itself make the man a racist.
HOWEVER...
"50 years ago we'd have you upside down with a fuckin' fork in your ass...that's what happens when you interrupt the white man, don't you know?"
This train of thought goes well beyond your average attack in the heat of the moment. Neither a desriptive accounting of a lynched man, nor this aura of white supremacy are in the everyday lexicon of American stereotypes about black people - or any other group for that matter.
He had this in him...it may have been buried so deeply that his only racist actions were subtle and he may not have even been very aware of it, but what he expressed here goes way beyond a little bit of bias coming out in a rant.
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BRA-VO!
We have made that word the test for whether or not someone is a racist. If Richards had just made the fork in the ass comment, we'd probably be called PC for thinking he was racist (I guess we sometimes are anyway).
Here is why I feel the word is "overrated" in determining racism:
1. When the word is used, the context is never introduced. Regardless of the context, the user is immediately determined to be a racist.
2. A person can say the most ridiculous, repulsive, racist shit, but if (s)he does not use the word, (s)he cannot be called out for it. You do not have to say the word to be a racist.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
I feel the same way. But if I did like Seinfeld and one of the cast said something offensive about me, I would still watch it.
I don't think I could, well I physically could but it wouldn't be the same anymore.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
It fucking rules.
ah ha! i KNEW you had no sense of humor!
Why is it that some people here insist on making out that there is racism against white people like its an equal thing? *sigh* Middle-class white americans are practically the most priviledged people <i>on earth</i>. Why whine about some reverse racism which frankly doesn't even mean anything?!
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London, Wembley, 1996
London, Wembley, 18 June 2007
London, O2, 18 August 2009
London, Hammersmith Apollo (Ed solo), 31 July 2012
Milton Keynes Bowl, 11 July 2014
It means something. The butterfly effect.