Native american Indians try to reclaim land
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Don't know if this has been posted already but I thought this was interesting:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/05/08/indians.land.reut/index.html?eref=rss_latest
Don't know how you guys feel about this but I think they have every right to take back the land their forefathers owned - I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner! I've never understood how people can think that being left to rot on a reservation is ok for one group of people, especially in this day and age.
I wonder if it could happen in the states?
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/05/08/indians.land.reut/index.html?eref=rss_latest
Don't know how you guys feel about this but I think they have every right to take back the land their forefathers owned - I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner! I've never understood how people can think that being left to rot on a reservation is ok for one group of people, especially in this day and age.
I wonder if it could happen in the states?
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So are you saying that mean North american indians would not be able to claim any land because of their own attitude towards land ownership? What about after 1600 - do they not have any rights then?
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I didn't create the mess and truthfully I'm not that interested in spending time or energy in trying to clean up the mess when the people you are dealing with had unresolved land issues to start with.
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Fuck the past, it's water under the bridge. If they want to make progress, they need to take a step forward and not back.
I'm not sure where I got this but I heard or read somewhere that they believe their home is where their dead are buried.
Does anyone know if there's in truth in this?
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someone said that reservations are like prison camps but i live between several here in arizona. they have nice houses and drive nice vehicles. if they live on the reservation they get a monthly check. i'm not saying they have it good but deffinately better than a lot of americans living in campers because they can't find work.
i don't know how they'd deal with all the money paid to the american indians over the last couple hundred years. surely it was enough to buy the country several times over.
Yup. It's pretty much up to the tyee/chief who gets what from the reparations and casino profits. So some reserves are like prisons, with the chief being the warden. It has nothing to do with the white man.
It sounds to me like they are on welfare or something. Do you know how much they get a month?
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Nothing to do with the white man? Why the need for the reservations in the first place?!
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What's your evidence?
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I've got none, subjective personal experience, television. Crapola.
what's the evidence that they, in general, don't want to live amongst white men? the evidence is called "history". it cost an enormous loss of life on both sides.
You sound like you think you're an authority on this subject Ahnimus. The fact is, you don't know what you're talking about. Try learning something about the subject before commenting on it and washing your hands of something about which you know nothing.
Some do, and some want to live in the traditional way and hold onto the ancestral ways. So what? Why are you so bothered by this?
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It's not called history when it concerns the present. Native Americans aren't a thing of the past, despite all efforts to make them that way. Try doing your homework.
Here's a book you may wanna read for starters. It concerns a Native American political prisoner who is still being held unjustly in Leavenworth prison for a crime he didn't commit, having already spent 35 years behind bars. It also discusses the attempt to steal the mineral-rich land by the local authorities, with the backing of the FBI, and Government sponsored Indian militias, which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of Indians during the 1970's.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Spirit-Crazy-Horse-Peter-Matthiessen/dp/0140144560/ref=sr_1_3/202-6523891-7288668?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178670791&sr=1-3
http://outside.away.com/magazine/0795/7f_leo1.html
ok, if you say "let's forget the past and talk about the present", then let's FORGET about the past. by that token, they absolutely have no right or claim to any land. thanks for agreeing with me.
the linked article of this topic has nothing to do with the US, but all the anti-American nitwits have made it about the US. so, history is written by the victors, and history says the Native Americans have no claim to this land. they have reservations if they want to live there, or if they want to assimilate into American society, they can do that. but nothing in America is free and they are OWED nothing.
Please quote me when I said "forget about the past". You can't. So your first sentence can be dismissed as irrelevant gibberish.
So the linked article has nothing to do with the U.S, but the original poster asked the question...
Still, nevermind that. You obviously prefer to ignore certain facts about your country which are deemed unpalatable, and believe that anyone who mentions them is being 'anti-American'.
So you believe that 'history says the Native Americans have no claim to this land.' I think you'll find if you do your homework that Native Americans have every right to the land which was signed to them in the hundreds of legal treaties whose authority persists to this day.
well said, my friend.
some of the opinions and posts in this thread are simply very sad. so wrong. :(
Thanks. Seems that the John Wayne notion of Native Americans sadly still persists to this day for many people.
I definitely think both sides should honor treaties. But what is your proposal to ultimately move past this issue? Reparations? Deeding of more land? Deeding of all land? And who pays? Remember when the natives were first exploited "we Americans" were actually "you Brits". Shouldn't you guys pay?
Honestly, I have no idea how things could be "made right" so that everyone is happy. It is a very tough and emotional issue.
I'm with you on this one. I don't know enough about the minutia regarding all of the individual claims, and treaties e.t.c. I do think, however, that the wider issues of land continuing to be stolen, and of the various other abuses which continue to this day should be made public. Too much about the Native American struggle has been, and continues to be, swept under the carpet.
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