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  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/9612/04/larry.flynt/diaper.lg.jpg

    fuck you falwell!
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    gue_barium wrote:
    If the deceased had lived a respectful, honest life like the rest of us, then I would agree.

    Well, enjoy your celebration que. You certainly are allowed to disagree. Karma has a funny way of kicking you right in the ass sooner or later tho.

    Hope you've never been dishonest, or disrespectful. ;)
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Lewis Black TV News and Jerry Falwell

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBMvz2ddLFU

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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    PaperPlates wrote:
    Well, enjoy your celebration que. You certainly are allowed to disagree. Karma has a funny way of kicking you right in the ass sooner or later tho.

    Hope you've never been dishonest, or disrespectful. ;)

    I'm not celebrating, but I do take issue with the take on this by some that Falwell's death somehow negates what he did in life. I think the opposite is true. It is time for reflection. :)
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  • floyd1975
    floyd1975 Posts: 1,350
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'm not celebrating, but I do take issue with the take on this by some that Falwell's death somehow negates what he did in life. I think the opposite is true. It is time for reflection. :)

    Reflection can be done in an intelligent and respectful manner. Many who disagree with Falwell have done this in this thread. The original post that I called out used neither tactic.
  • daystar143
    daystar143 Posts: 367
    gue_barium wrote:
    I'm thinking Jerry's god is every bit as judgemental.


    No, the true God isn't...and I wonder what He'll say about having words put in His mouth. What I do believe, is that God is infinetly merciful and mercy should extend to us all, to one another, daily.

    Here is how a dear friend who struggled with horrible inner demons one put it to me...


    "I won't stand in judgment of another because when the day comes that I stand before God, I am going to be very dependant on His mercy, not his judgment. So I had best show mercy to others."

    Maybe that's some of what everyone is trying to say, Faldwell seems to have forgotten to show mercy and love...the qualities that we are told "are" God.
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  • gue_barium
    gue_barium Posts: 5,515
    daystar143 wrote:
    No, the true God isn't...and I wonder what He'll say about having words put in His mouth. What I do believe, is that God is infinetly merciful and mercy should extend to us all, to one another, daily.

    Here is how a dear friend who struggled with horrible inner demons one put it to me...


    "I won't stand in judgment of another because when the day comes that I stand before God, I am going to be very dependant on His mercy, not his judgment. So I had best show mercy to others."

    Maybe that's some of what everyone is trying to say, Faldwell seems to have forgotten to show mercy and love...the qualities that we are told "are" God.

    I don't believe in god.
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  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    First a moment of silence...

















    The world is a slightly better place today. AMEN.
  • PaperPlates
    PaperPlates Posts: 1,745
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    FOR ME TO POOP ON!!

    and about falwell.... he was a total dick, and now i'm supposed to feel bad that he's dead?

    No, not in the least, but public happy dances are a bid morbid and tacky, no?
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  • wolfamongwolves
    wolfamongwolves Posts: 2,414
    surferdude wrote:
    I always wonder why when a controversial figure like Falwell dies people just don't keep their humanity and say something like "He fought for what he believed was right and was best for the country. I may not have agreed with his views but I do share the same passion he did for this country and its people." It doesn't take much to respectfully disagree with someone, and I think the least you can do on the day of his death is find some commonality.

    It would be nice if the world was that simple. But it's not.

    I have no doubt he believed he was right. (Doesn't everybody?) That does not exempt him from criticism, any more when he is dead than when he was alive. When someone's actions are in direct contravention to the ethic they espouse, then that makes them hypocritical. In the powerful position he was in, Jerry Falwell's hypocrisy became an insult to those who put faith in him to preach the so-called truth. He preached Christianity with a fundamentally antiChristian dogmatism. He promoted a religion of love and tolerance, by advocating hate and judgment and discrimination. He eschewed Christian humility for bombastic self-righteousness. And while preaching about unworldliness, he made a whole fuckload of money.

    I long ago left Christianity behind me. One (but by no means the only) critical reason being that anyone can call themselves a Christian, even rise to to levels of extraordinary power (and responsibility) within the Christian machine, without having the barest modicum of true Christianity in them. It undermines the entire framework of Christianity. As an atheist, it doesn't affect me directly, but for the billion-odd Christians who are honest believers, people like Jerry Falwell are an insult and an offence.

    I'm sure there was a lot more to the man than the ignorant, hate-filled and hate-mongering bigot he exposed himself publicly as. I'm sure he was a loving family man, and I honestly feel bad for those people who knew his other facets and will mourn and miss him for them. But I, and we, only knew the public, and most powerful, and insidious side of him, and that is all we can base our opinion on.

    I agree that he was entitled to his views as much as any of us. What he was not entitled to was to express them in such a way that violated other people's rights, and worth, within society. He did not, as you say, fight for "what he believed... was best for the country... and its people" but only for those people who agreed with him. That, to me, is not worthy of respect, whether he be dead or alive.
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    surferdude wrote:
    So this is your benchmark for humanity? You'll find a way to compare everyone to Hitler or apologize for someone's boorish behavior by pulling a Hitler analogy. Some days people just make me sad.

    Not at all. You said that when someone dies we should just say "he fought for what he believed in". I don't think that's necessarily the right way to talk about someone after they die. If someone was a bad person, you shouldn't paint over it just because they are dead. It's still important to talk about things that they said/did without glossing over it. The same can be said about anyone not just Hitler. It's just easier to use Hitler because its someone most people recognize.

    In fact, what I did wasn't even a comparison to Hitler, and it wasn't apologizing either. I think you need read a little more carefully before you make comments. And I would never apologize for anyones behavior by making a Hitler analogy.

    But, its nice to know that you just jump to conclusions about what I would do, without even understanding what I was saying.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    chiefojibwa wrote:
    FOR ME TO POOP ON!!

    and about falwell.... he was a total dick, and now i'm supposed to feel bad that he's dead?


    Lol I love Triumph.. I have a friend that does his voice almost perfectly.

    There's a best hits website I used to check out...classic pooping...lol

    falwell anti gay targets:
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    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
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  • mammasan
    mammasan Posts: 5,656
    While I disagreed with his ideology I don't think spitting on the man's grave is appropriate either. I'm not saying you have to respect him post-mortum but their is no reason to lower yourself to that level.
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    mammasan wrote:
    While I disagreed with his ideology I don't think spitting on the man's grave is appropriate either. I'm not saying you have to respect him post-mortum but their is no reason to lower yourself to that level.

    sometimes it's a bit of give and get... but you're right. The buck stops at the better man.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

    http://i36.tinypic.com/66j31x.jpg

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  • robbie
    robbie Posts: 883
    fuck you falwell......

    "I listen to feminists and all these radical gals... These women just need a man in the house. That's all they need. Most of the feminists need a man to tell them what time of day it is and to lead them home. And they blew it and they're mad at all men. Feminists hate men. They're sexist. They hate men; that's their problem."

    "I hope to live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be!"

    "God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew,"

    "Now, further evidence that the creators of the series intend for Tinky Winky to be a gay role model have surfaced. He is purple -- the gay-pride color; and his antenna is shaped like a triangle -- the gay-pride symbol."

    his opinion on 9/11.....
    "I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters -- the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats -- what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact -- if, in fact -- God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.....And I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: you helped this happen."
  • VictoryGin
    VictoryGin Posts: 1,207
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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    I wish Falwell could have been more of a positive voice for Christianity. Instead, he almost seemed to revel in making controversial statements that garnered attention, and further demonize Christianity in the eyes of many.

    Still, you never wish death upon anyone. May his soul rest in peace, and blessings to his family.
  • kenny olav
    kenny olav Posts: 3,319
    Maybe it's just because I live in Massachusetts, where many a pagan, abortionist, feminist, gay and lesbian frolic, but has anyone ever met anyone who said: "You know who I admire? Jerry Falwell."? He always seemed like a media creation to me. Someone all too easy to hate. An unelected representative of "the right". I'd say the media is more responsible for dividing people than Jerry Falwell was.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    blackredyellow wrote:
    It has nothing to do with right and left... I'm sure when someone like Michael Moore or any other left-wing fringe idiot dies, there won't be a shortage of jackasses on the right who are happy about it. Poor taste isn't exclusive of either side.

    How depressing that anyone would regard Michael Moore as being 'fringe'. This just goes to show the how narrow is the spectrum of what is considered to be 'acceptable' debate in America.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    ledvedderman wrote:
    I was in no way, shape, or form a fan of Falwell, but when a human being dies it is never a reason to laugh or "light one up and celebrate". It's not a left vs. right issue. The man has a family who are grieving now. Get over yourselves and show, if not the man, his family a little respect.

    Would you extend this sentiment to everyone? Including Ariel Sharon or Hitler?

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