Rev. Jerry Falwell Dead

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

I went through the walking-talking penis phase myself. We all do, to some extent or another.

If and when you deflate, you can PM me.

Peace.

and it was you calling me immature? get a life dude

Abookamongstthemany

jlew24asu wrote:

I understand innocent people die in wars.

by inflating the number to get across a point and inflate the sadness of war is immature

The Pentagon doesn't keep track, it's chaos over there...there's really no way of telling. 70,000 or 600,000....that's a whole lot of needless loss of innocent life either way and it makes me fucking sick! Remember how upset we were over 3,000?

know1

gue_barium wrote:

I think posters are playing at joy in this, I wouldn't take it at face value in the posts you see. The primitive "moral majority" still has a voice, with or without Falwell, and most of us know that. There is no celebrating for ignorance. Ignorance isn't dead.

I think it's disgusting and classless - whether it's Falwell, Saddam, or whomever.

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

and it was you calling me immature? get a life dude

I'm serious.

And you will understand, eventually.

I think you know how to understand.

gue_barium

know1 wrote:

I think it's disgusting and classless - whether it's Falwell, Saddam, or whomever.

I thought I made a couple nice posts in eulogy. Maybe if you checked those, you might see what I see, and the blessings we all share.

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

The Pentagon doesn't keep track, it's chaos over there...there's really no way of telling. 70,000 or 600,000....that's a whole lot of needless loss of inocent life either way and it makes me fucking sick! Remember how upset we were over 3,000?

booky, thats not a penetgon website I posted. and I agree, there is no solid proven way to know. but the site I posted has an extensive database of names and documented incidents. which to the best of that data, its near 70k.

here's what I'm saying.


comprehensive database = 70,000, dead

survey of 1500 homes - 650,000 dead.

many here use that 650 number as fact and to show how many people bush has killed.

and i'm very upset so many innocent iraqis have died. but thats not the point.

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

I'm serious.

And you will understand, eventually.

I think you know how to understand.

its funny to see what people see when backed into a corner with no way out. yea I guess I'll understand, eventually. good one

gue_barium

jlew24asu wrote:

its funny to see what people see when backed into a corner with no way out. yea I guess I'll understand, eventually. good one

I love you, man.

jlew24asu

gue_barium wrote:

I love you, man.

I love you too.

Abookamongstthemany

jlew24asu wrote:

booky, thats not a penetgon website I posted. and I agree, there is no solid proven way to know. but the site I posted has an extensive database of names and documented incidents. which to the best of that data, its near 70k.

here's what I'm saying.


comprehensive database = 70,000, dead

survey of 1500 homes - 650,000 dead.

many here use that 650 number as fact and to show how many people bush has killed.

and i'm very upset so many innocent iraqis have died. but thats not the point.

I didn't say it was.

And if you're upset about the Iraqis then trying mentioning that instead of only choosing to post to nitpick about the number. The thing thats upseting you should be much more important.

jlew24asu

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

I didn't say it was.

And if you're upset about the Iraqis then trying mentioning that instead of only choosing to post to nitpick about the number. The thing thats upseting you should be much more important.

just tryin to keep it real thats all. a possible difference of more then 580,000 dead people is more then nit picking.

mookie blaylock 10

one less asshole.

callen

Abookamongstthemany wrote:

The Pentagon doesn't keep track, it's chaos over there...there's really no way of telling. 70,000 or 600,000....that's a whole lot of needless loss of innocent life either way and it makes me fucking sick! Remember how upset we were over 3,000?

everyone of the 70,000 to 600,000 have families..and they're all pissed at us....

my2hands

jlew24asu wrote:

the most comprehensive database I've seen. http://www.iraqbodycount.org/


much more then a survey of 1500 homes. which is where the 650 number comes from

look a little further into that database you are using. it counts only deaths reported by english speaking media. thats it. nothing more. so it is obviously well below the actual number


"IBC is not an "estimate" of total civilian deaths based on projections or other forms of extrapolation. It is a compilation of documented deaths, as reported by English-language media worldwide."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Body_Count


the lancet survey takes into account all deaths that would not have occured if the war had not happened, not just violent deaths. the IBC documents only actual deaths caused by violence (again, only the ones reported by english speaking media). and, the lancet methodolgy has been used and approved by the US government, and it is currently financially supporting and teaching the same methodology.

"study co-author Les Roberts defended the methodology by noting that the method is the standard used in poor countries, that the same method was used by the US government following wars in Kosovo and Afghanistan, and that the US government's Smart Initiative program is spending millions of dollars per year teaching NGOs and UN workers how to use the same cluster method for estimating mortality rates."

not to mention

"The UK government, too, rejected the researchers' conclusions. In doing so, it went against the advice of the Ministry of Defence's Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir Roy Anderson, who had called the study "robust" and its methods "close to best practice" in an internal memo, dated 13 October, 2006."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_survey_of_mortality_after_the_2003_invasion_of_Iraq:a_cross-sectional_cluster_sample_survey


now you can go back and forth and find strenghts and weaknesses in either study. but you cannot deny the weakness of counting only reported deaths in the english media? thats just obviously going to be very low. not to mention the lancet has a variable #, 650,000 is the number they have deemed as most probable, but the # they list was between about 400,000 and 900,000. so best case is 400 and worst case is 900. pretty sad debate we are having, but the dead at least deserved to be recognized.

Rushlimbo

I thought it would be nice to kickoff the Thursday night partying with a singalong to the demise of Falwell from Kool and the Gang --->
========================================
Ya Hooo, It's a celebration,
Ya Hooo, It's a celebration

Celebrate good times, come on,
Celebrate good times, come on,

There's a party goin on right here,
A celebration, to last throughout the years,
So bring your good times, and your laughter too,
We gonna celebrate your party with you, come on now

Celebration...Let's all celebrate and have a good time.
Celebration...We gonna celebrate and have a good time.

It's time to come together, it's up to you, what's your pleasure?
Everyone around the world come on!

Ya hoo..It a Celebration, Ya Hoo...,

Celebrate good times, come on, come on and celebrate
Celebrate good times, come on, and everything's gonna be alright.

We're gonna have a good time tonight, let's celebrate, it's alright
We're gonna have a good time tonight, let's celebrate, it's alright
(Celebration) We're gonna have a good time tonight, let's celebrate, it's alright
(Celebration) We're gonna have a good time tonight, let's celebrate, it's alright

Ya Hooo, Ya Hooo

Celebrate good times come on, Let's celebrate, come on now
Celebrate good times come on, Let's celebrate, come on and celebrate
Celebrate good times come on, Let's celebrate, come on now
Celebrate good times come on, Let's celebrate, come on and celebrate

my2hands

Rushlimbo wrote:

I thought it would be nice to kickoff the Thursday night partying with a singalong to the demise of Falwell from Kool and the Gang --->
========================================
Ya Hooo, It's a celebration,
Ya Hooo, It's a celebration

Celebrate good times, come on,
Celebrate good times, come on,

There's a party goin on right here,
A celebration, to last throughout the years,
So bring your good times, and your laughter too,
We gonna celebrate your party with you, come on now

Celebration...Let's all celebrate and have a good time.
Celebration...We gonna celebrate and have a good time.

It's time to come together, it's up to you, what's your pleasure?
Everyone around the world come on!

Ya hoo..It a Celebration, Ya Hoo...,

Celebrate good times, come on, come on and celebrate
Celebrate good times, come on, and everything's gonna be alright.

We're gonna have a good time tonight, let's celebrate, it's alright
We're gonna have a good time tonight, let's celebrate, it's alright
(Celebration) We're gonna have a good time tonight, let's celebrate, it's alright
(Celebration) We're gonna have a good time tonight, let's celebrate, it's alright

Ya Hooo, Ya Hooo

Celebrate good times come on, Let's celebrate, come on now
Celebrate good times come on, Let's celebrate, come on and celebrate
Celebrate good times come on, Let's celebrate, come on now
Celebrate good times come on, Let's celebrate, come on and celebrate

i think you are clearly out of line. you may disagree. you may have your opinions. but the man was a human, he did have a family, and he did have friends. show some class dude.

chopitdown

since it's a party I thought I'd post this from Natalie Davis

Remembering Jerry Falwell
Submitted by NDavis on May 15, 2007 - 3:30pm. :: Off-topic discussions

The Rev. Jerry Falwell -- longtime foe of GLBT people, women, and those who thirst for justice and equality -- died today.

When I heard the breaking news, my reaction shocked me. I wept.

Understand, there is a personal connection: I met, though wouldn't claim to know, the man. (Read about it here.) Saw him preach from the pulpit of his magnificent Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, VA. Talked with him. Found him funny, interestingly enough. I never approved of his positions, his statements, his actions, what he did to the American political landscape. I am well aware of the human cost much of his ministry caused -- and told him so to his face. We were able to disagree without being disagreeable, which I see as a good thing.

This does not change the fact that the right-wing televangelist and Moral Majority founder disappointed me on a human level numerous times. Neither do his unchristian activities erase the fact that his ministry has done good as well. A fair person must note that too.

And now, suddenly, he's dead. How could anyone with a heart not react with sadness on some level?

In various places on the net, I've been reading people's reactions to the news. Won't link to them -- I don't want to call anyone out or make them feel bad or attract people to come and bash me for daring to feel sadness.

So I'll just say this and then go sit quietly for a while: Yeah, Jerry Falwell did some twisted, downright evil things in the name of Jesus. Enormously hideous and horrible things. He was virulently homophobic, a onetime (?) segregationist, a proponent of the traditional man-in-charge relationship model, and more. All true. All terrible. This should not, must not be forgotten.

Still, that's no justification for dancing on his grave. ANY death is a diminishment of the human family. We debase ourselves when we engage in hideous schadenfreude, and I'm seeing way too much of it today. It's devastating. And it's wrong.

Why are humans so damned cruel?

Rest in peace, Rev. Falwell. May your successor achieve more success than you did in embracing all of God's children. May those you harmed, if they still live, find healing and justice. And may the rest of us remember this:

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." Seven times seven times...
http://www.publicradioquest.com/node/1897

shamrock95

good riddance....

Rushlimbo

my2hands wrote:

i think you are clearly out of line. you may disagree. you may have your opinions. but the man was a human, he did have a family, and he did have friends. show some class dude.

If his family and friends are PJ fans and visit this site then I'm shocked. Since that is not the case then screw Falwell. Being nice when these people die is why there continues to be assholes like him taking his place.

Rushlimbo

chopitdown wrote:

since it's a party I thought I'd post this from Natalie Davis

Remembering Jerry Falwell
Submitted by NDavis on May 15, 2007 - 3:30pm. :: Off-topic discussions

The Rev. Jerry Falwell -- longtime foe of GLBT people, women, and those who thirst for justice and equality -- died today.

When I heard the breaking news, my reaction shocked me. I wept.

Understand, there is a personal connection: I met, though wouldn't claim to know, the man. (Read about it here.) Saw him preach from the pulpit of his magnificent Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg, VA. Talked with him. Found him funny, interestingly enough. I never approved of his positions, his statements, his actions, what he did to the American political landscape. I am well aware of the human cost much of his ministry caused -- and told him so to his face. We were able to disagree without being disagreeable, which I see as a good thing.

This does not change the fact that the right-wing televangelist and Moral Majority founder disappointed me on a human level numerous times. Neither do his unchristian activities erase the fact that his ministry has done good as well. A fair person must note that too.

And now, suddenly, he's dead. How could anyone with a heart not react with sadness on some level?

In various places on the net, I've been reading people's reactions to the news. Won't link to them -- I don't want to call anyone out or make them feel bad or attract people to come and bash me for daring to feel sadness.

So I'll just say this and then go sit quietly for a while: Yeah, Jerry Falwell did some twisted, downright evil things in the name of Jesus. Enormously hideous and horrible things. He was virulently homophobic, a onetime (?) segregationist, a proponent of the traditional man-in-charge relationship model, and more. All true. All terrible. This should not, must not be forgotten.

Still, that's no justification for dancing on his grave. ANY death is a diminishment of the human family. We debase ourselves when we engage in hideous schadenfreude, and I'm seeing way too much of it today. It's devastating. And it's wrong.

Why are humans so damned cruel?

Rest in peace, Rev. Falwell. May your successor achieve more success than you did in embracing all of God's children. May those you harmed, if they still live, find healing and justice. And may the rest of us remember this:

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." Seven times seven times...
http://www.publicradioquest.com/node/1897

Weak kneed liberal response. Boohoo.