The Chocolate War

lucylespian

Scubascott wrote:

What? No vegemite? How do you live with yourself?

Now that, sailor, is a damn good question !!
MInd you, she just said she was a vegetarian, which is totally weird to me. I would die within a week if I gave up meat. Die, I say, Die !!

Consider that Vegemite is made from teh scum off teh top of beer vats.
Yeast extract indeed, we've been falling for that for generations !!

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

By the way a chocolate 'craving' is chocolate withdrawal.

i crave lebanese food. i have a need at times to eat it at the expense of other foods.

lucylespian

catefrances wrote:

disagree. smoking kills people. there is a direct correlation betweeen the two. true not everyone who smokes dies but the numbers are enough to warrant the high price.
and as to the high price of cigarettes. it's more profits for the tobacco companies so no one will ever lower it.

Actually, smoking kiills evryone sooner. An average of 15yrs actually. The last bloke I told that to was dead in 4 weeks.
Amazing that Ahnimus loves his science, but conveniently ignores it when it threatens his ciggie or dope habit.
You're a hypocrite, ahnimus !!!!!

redrock

Jeanie wrote:

Yes, I only found out about this recently redrock. Much to my shame.
I have had Fair Trade coffee before. But I'm thinking that I'm not doing nearly enough personally to be aware of the ramifications of my purchases.
I guess I've been caught up in the environmental and health factors with regards to food as well as trying to support local manufacturing. It's a mine field each and everytime I go to the supermarket.

But I am intending very soon, to get organized a wee bit more and get myself supporting all of these things to the very best of my ability.

But it's not easy Jeanie... if you shop at a supermarket, you buy whatever it stocks, and say, if you want bananas and they don't have fair trade, you buy whatever there is... What is also necessary is to put pressure on the supermarkets to stock fair trade, local produce, etc. It is very difficult to do a 'weekly' shop under pressure and time constraints and still look at EVERY product you purchase. In the UK, supermarkets are starting to be a bit more aware, but there is still a loooooong way to go.

catefrances

lucylespian wrote:

Now that, sailor, is a damn good question !!
MInd you, she just said she was a vegetarian, which is totally weird to me. I would die within a week if I gave up meat. Die, I say, Die !!

Consider that Vegemite is made from teh scum off teh top of beer vats.
Yeast extract indeed, we've been falling for that for generations !!

well lucy there is yeast in beer, so technically......

redrock

Ahnimus wrote:

By the way a chocolate 'craving' is chocolate withdrawal.

Since you like your internet searches on all kinds of subjects, I found this, extracted from the article: 'Does Chocolate Addiction Exist?'


"Although there are similarities between eating chocolate and drug use, generally researchers believe that chocolate “addiction” is not a true addiction. While chocolate does contain potentially mood-altering substances, these are all found in higher concentrations in other less appealing foods such as broccoli."

.... and.. WHO CRAVES BROCCOLI????? :D:D:D:D

Give me proper chocolate anytime!

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

disagree. smoking kills people. there is a direct correlation betweeen the two. true not everyone who smokes dies but the numbers are enough to warrant the high price.
and as to the high price of cigarettes. it's more profits for the tobacco companies so no one will ever lower it.

It's more tax money going into OHIP, not the tobacco companies, they make less as more people quit due to high prices.

Anyway, this started with a bit of a joke as I'm kind of a chocoholic myself. Thanks for doubting my intent

redrock

lucylespian wrote:

Consider that Vegemite is made from teh scum off teh top of beer vats.

Vegemite... YUK!!!!! Just drink the beer :D:D

Ahnimus

redrock wrote:

Since you like your internet searches on all kinds of subjects, I found this, extracted from the article: 'Does Chocolate Addiction Exist?'


"Although there are similarities between eating chocolate and drug use, generally researchers believe that chocolate “addiction” is not a true addiction. While chocolate does contain potentially mood-altering substances, these are all found in higher concentrations in other less appealing foods such as broccoli."

.... and.. WHO CRAVES BROCCOLI????? :D:D:D:D

Give me proper chocolate anytime!

I actually do crave broccoli. But if I didn't have a craving for cigarettes, I wouldn't smoke them. The craving is the addiction.

catefrances

redrock wrote:

But it's not easy Jeanie... if you shop at a supermarket, you buy whatever it stocks, and say, if you want bananas and they don't have fair trade, you buy whatever there is... What is also necessary is to put pressure on the supermarkets to stock fair trade, local produce, etc. It is very difficult to do a 'weekly' shop under pressure and time constraints and still look at EVERY product you purchase. In the UK, supermarkets are starting to be a bit more aware, but there is still a loooooong way to go.

oh it is difficult. imagine my dismay when i discovered toblerone chocolate is owned by KRAFT which in turn is a philip morris owned company.

Jeanie

redrock wrote:

But it's not easy Jeanie... if you shop at a supermarket, you buy whatever it stocks, and say, if you want bananas and they don't have fair trade, you buy whatever there is... What is also necessary is to put pressure on the supermarkets to stock fair trade, local produce, etc. It is very difficult to do a 'weekly' shop under pressure and time constraints and still look at EVERY product you purchase. In the UK, supermarkets are starting to be a bit more aware, but there is still a loooooong way to go.

Oh I know redrock, it's a nightmare.
But I do try. Unfortunately I have health issues which prevent me from chasing all over for my shopping otherwise I would.
But I am fairly committed to reading labels and knowing where things come from and the impact their manufacture has. I have been known to write my favorite brands and tell them that I am not happy with their practices or their packaging. And I do stop buying things and search for alternatives wherever I can. BUT they are pretty good at their tactics and it does seem a losing battle some days. I also financially support organizations that are committed to making change in these areas. I know its difficult, but we have to try. It's the only way that change will come about.

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

It's more tax money going into OHIP, not the tobacco companies, they make less as more people quit due to high prices.

Anyway, this started with a bit of a joke as I'm kind of a chocoholic myself. Thanks for doubting my intent

and that my friend is why they diversify into food companies. thanks for bolstering my argument.

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

and that my friend is why they diversify into food companies. thanks for bolstering my argument.

Sorry, what argument?

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

Sorry, what argument?

the one where scubascott couldn't see the reasoning behind boycotting food companies owned by tobacco companies. he didn't see how buying KRAFT, for example, was supporting the smoking industry.

Ahnimus

catefrances wrote:

the one where scubascott couldn't see the reasoning behind boycotting food companies owned by tobacco companies. he didn't see how buying KRAFT, for example, was supporting the smoking industry.

I don't exactly see how it is either.

They don't put tobacco in the food do they? If not, then it's not supporting the tobacco market. It's just giving money to a conglomerate that also owns part of the tobacco market. But that doesn't cause more people to smoke.

When I started I didn't think "Hey, I want to give my money to DuMaurier"

The company I work for is owned by a conglomerate, we give them a few million bucks a year, but they don't have anything to do with our operations.

Explain!

leavin here

MrBrian wrote:

"Consumers won't know the difference."

but I WILL know the difference!
This is appauling!

redrock

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't exactly see how it is either.

They don't put tobacco in the food do they? If not, then it's not supporting the tobacco market. It's just giving money to a conglomerate that also owns part of the tobacco market. But that doesn't cause more people to smoke.

When I started I didn't think "Hey, I want to give my money to DuMaurier"

The company I work for is owned by a conglomerate, we give them a few million bucks a year, but they don't have anything to do with our operations.

Explain!

If you buy goods owned by a company, your money is part of their profits, therefore you support the company... buy a toblerone bar, profits end up with Philips Morris - tobacco company...

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

I don't exactly see how it is either.

They don't put tobacco in the food do they? If not, then it's not supporting the tobacco market. It's just giving money to a conglomerate that also owns part of the tobacco market. But that doesn't cause more people to smoke.

When I started I didn't think "Hey, I want to give my money to DuMaurier"

The company I work for is owned by a conglomerate, we give them a few million bucks a year, but they don't have anything to do with our operations.

Explain!

who said it caused more people to smoke? where have i ever said that?
all i said was if you buy certain products you should be aware that they are owned by tobacco companies.


nabisco
tang
maxwell house
planters
oscar meyer
jacobs
jell-o

i also said it was a personal choice ryan. a PERSONAL choice.

redrock

ClimberInOz wrote:

Random chocolate fact of the day: Did you know that you can calculate the speed of light using chocolate and your microwave?

Simply take a very big slab of chocolate and trim to the size of your microwave. Remove turntable and place choc in microwave. Hit it with a few blasts for 10 seconds until it just begins to melt. The melting will occur in bands, hot spots where the microwave 'peaks' overlap. The distance between these will be 1/4 of the wavelength. So multiply the distance between the melted bands by 4, and then multiply that mumber by the frequency (written on the back of the microwave) to get the speed of light.

Then lick the microwave clean- unless of course you have the waxy imitation style chocolate...

Cool!

redrock

leavin here wrote:

but I WILL know the difference!
This is appauling!

I would have thought that most people having a love of chocolate will know and therefore won't buy the crappy stuff... So hopefully, not much crappy stuff sold, crappy stuff slips off the shelves....
Again.. it is a question of being aware, knowing what manufacturers are doing and reading labels..... For me, I have seen 'dark chocolate' with less than 15% cocoa - that is not dark chocolate (or any kind of chocolate!).