The Chocolate War

Kat

The FDA is thinking about allowing Big Chocolate to pass off waxy imitations as the real deal:

http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2007/4/20/11104/3786


You can tell the FDA where you stand here.

http://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/oc/dockets/comments/getDocketInfo.cfm?EC_DOCUMENT_ID=1477&SORT=DOCKET_NOD&MAXROWS=15&START=1&CID=&AGENCY=FDA

MrBrian

"Consumers won't know the difference."

catefrances

MrBrian wrote:

"Consumers won't know the difference."

oh really?

what an arrogant shithead. any chocoholic will be able to tell just from the smell and the feel.

norm

MrBrian wrote:

"Consumers won't know the difference."

i like that line this way

"Consumer expectations still define the basic nature of a food. There are, however, no generally held consumer expectations today concerning the precise technical elements by which commonly recognized, standardized foods are produced. Consumers, therefore, are not likely to have formed expectations as to production methods, aging time or specific ingredients used for technical improvements, including manufacturing efficiencies."

i can see the lawyers from the firm "Schutup, Sidawn & Fukoff" having a good laugh making that one up..................:)

Ms. Haiku

Thanks for posting that, Kat. Comment submitted.

tara

hmmm, they're already legally allowed to put plastic in foods, kraft singles have the maximum allowable limit

yosi1

Gross. Thanks for the heads up. I plan on sending this to a bunch of people.

catefrances

tara wrote:

hmmm, they're already legally allowed to put plastic in foods, kraft singles have the maximum allowable limit

maximum allowable limit? why's there even a minimum allowable limit?
and here am i boycotting Kraft products only cause they're owned by a tobacco company. fucking hell. mmmmm plastic.

korby

they will lose thier capacities if the knowledge is out there. people concentrated on this indusrty will have an effect on the presense of the co. make them lose thier profits and abilites to spread garbage. and will enevitably have to change the manufacturing methods and ingeredients or when sales shrink

tara

catefrances wrote:

maximum allowable limit? why's there even a minimum allowable limit?
and here am i boycotting Kraft products only cause they're owned by a tobacco company. fucking hell. mmmmm plastic.

i think it's because when a product is packaged in plastic some seeps into the product or food i guessi should say, so they have 2 choices 1) the environmentally and health conscious approach, to dissallow things to be packaged in plastic, or 2) to allow for food to contain a certain amount of plastic. i'm not saying that i havn't enjoyed a kraft grilled cheese or two in my day (although this was a rare occurence, and comparable to 'junk food' for me), it's just kinda wierd.

catefrances

tara wrote:

i think it's because when a product is packaged in plastic some seeps into the product or food i guessi should say, so they have 2 choices 1) the environmentally and health conscious approach, to dissallow things to be packaged in plastic, or 2) to allow for food to contain a certain amount of plastic. i'm not saying that i havn't enjoyed a kraft grilled cheese or two in my day (although this was a rare occurence, and comparable to 'junk food' for me), it's just kinda wierd.

kinda weird? it's kinda wrong. cheese slices haven't always been individuallly wrapped in plastic. i always wonder who makes these decision and what the thinking is behind it.

yet another reason to go vege people.

boxwine_in_hell

After you eat the imitation chocolate, you'll be having a "chocolate war" in the toilet.

korby

ya, haha that happenes when they provide the real product.

korby

i heard about people suffering great health issuse from consuming artificial chocolate. diabetes, heart problems, digestive problems and even worse symptoms. even consuming regular chocolate will become hazardousto ones health.

korby

but then anything will kill you these days, any consumption of fish in certain rivers will guarantee a high level of lead and other toxins wich can seriously decrease a humans endurance levels and immune problems and other cardio vascular symtems including liver problems

hippiemom

Thanks Kat. I take my chocolate VERY seriously. Comment submitted.

gue_barium

Thanks for the alert.

Comment submitted.


What the hell is "comment submitted" supposed to mean?

catefrances

korby wrote:

i heard about people suffering great health issuse from consuming artificial chocolate. diabetes, heart problems, digestive problems and even worse symptoms. even consuming regular chocolate will become hazardousto ones health.

i was unware such a thing existed. :( :(

hippiemom wrote:

Thanks Kat. I take my chocolate VERY seriously. Comment submitted.

as do i. you do not want to be messing with my stash.

Scubascott

catefrances wrote:

here am i boycotting Kraft products only cause they're owned by a tobacco company. fucking hell. mmmmm plastic.

What? No vegemite? How do you live with yourself?

korby

i was just scanning the news and saw a short about a company in trouble with shareholders and lawsuits. i believe it was a canadian co. like i said it was between naps. fell asleep watching tv, lol

catefrances

Scubascott wrote:

What? No vegemite? How do you live with yourself?

i know scott. that was the most difficult thing to give up.

korby

yes i been trying to change my diet, but its addictive. iwish i could quit smokes

redrock

If it's not just cocoa, cocoa butter, a bit of sugar and maybe cream, it is NOT chocolate.... OK.. you can add some nuts if you want too...

This is a subject close to my heart (and tummy!! )

Scubascott

catefrances wrote:

i know scott. that was the most difficult thing to give up.

I didn't know Kraft was owned by a tobacco company. Which one? And why does it matter? I don't really think that buying vegemite could help to sell smokes. Could it?

Jeanie

Scubascott wrote:

I didn't know Kraft was owned by a tobacco company. Which one? And why does it matter? I don't really think that buying vegemite could help to sell smokes. Could it?

Phillip Morris owns Kraft to the best of my knowledge Scott.

They tell you all about it on the Aussie Might jar.

And I gave up Vegemite for a time because of it.

But seeing as how I'm back smoking, and seeing as how most of the big supermarket chains are paid premium for product placement, Aussie Might is really hard to get around me, and Phillip Morris are getting my dollars anyway.

It's worth getting the Buy Aussie booklet and finding out who owns what.

You'd be surprised just who you are funding with a simple trip to the supermarket.

catefrances

Scubascott wrote:

I didn't know Kraft was owned by a tobacco company. Which one? And why does it matter? I don't really think that buying vegemite could help to sell smokes. Could it?

it doesn't help sell smokes scott. but i will not support the tobacco industry by giving a tobacco company my money. fuck them. smoking kills. they know it. the governments know it. where is the duty of care? nothing is done aside from a few public health notices. as if that makes a difference. they diversify so people don't know that they're supporting a tobacco company. sneaky bastards. my children are now adept at spotting brands owned by tobacco companies. sometimes they grumble but overall they miss nothing. it's a personal choice.

Ahnimus

chocolate companies should be taxed for causing obesity.

It should cost you addicts $9/bar.

korby

enough about quitting smoking. i aint doin it. haha. as far as these corporations feedus garbage in the food. well... lol, dont support thier products i guess and they will have to change practices. when these ceo;s doing whatever they want with no regard to harming others, they should be held accountable for thier actions .

catefrances

Ahnimus wrote:

chocolate companies should be taxed for causing obesity.

It should cost you addicts $9/bar.

well ryan that is stupid. i love chocolate and i can give it up if i so please, so i am not an addict. and i am not obese, so screw that idea.

Jeanie

I'm quite sure there has been huge amounts of research done into obesity and the obesity gene these last few years.

Not to mention all the reasearch done on the health benefits of chocolate.

Saying that chocolate should be taxed to ward off obesity is uninformed an oversimplification of the situation and pandering to stereotypes.

As to fake chocolate, well I think we have more than enough "fake food" in this world. I'd never want fake chocolate.

I also think we should all be more aware of the way in which the cocao bean is harvested by child slave labor.

Scubascott

catefrances wrote:

it doesn't help sell smokes scott. but i will not support the tobacco industry by giving a tobacco company my money. fuck them. smoking kills. they know it. the governments know it. where is the duty of care? nothing is done aside from a few public health notices. as if that makes a difference. they diversify so people don't know that they're supporting a tobacco company. sneaky bastards. my children are now adept at spotting brands owned by tobacco companies. sometimes they grumble but overall they miss nothing. it's a personal choice.

I don't know about that. To be honest it sounds a bit illogical to me. Ok, fair enough if you're opposed to tobacco smoking and the companies that distribute tobacco. Regardless of how you feel about smoking being a choice that people make, and the fact that most smokers actually quite enjoy smoking, I don't understand how it makes a difference to boycott food brands that are owned by the same corporation. Its not like the profits from the food sales are used to promote smoking, because its illegal to advertise tobacco products. So how does it help? (I don't smoke by the way)