Columbus area Pearl Jam fan gone missing...

IamMine

Lost In Ohio wrote:

I'm not related to Brian, nor have I ever met him. However, let me say the following:

With number two, at least he's alive. Hopefully, that if he is alive and returns to the USA, then all is forgiven. There is the little matter of his girlfriend about to marry (or already married to?) someone else, but i'm sure he would have found out about that via the internet and would have intervened if he thought it was necessary.

all is forgiven?

I think that would be up to his surviving family to determine that - and the police.

As for me personally - even though I have never met him in person, I would be very very very happy that he is alive but very very very angry with him for putting his father and family through so much agony and pain.

But I would not wish him to be dead. I'd much rather that he is still alive.

Like many, I would be very happy to see a closure on this.

Lost In Ohio

IamMine wrote:

I don't know either, Stugots.

But I do know this is really f*k'd up either way.

Also a lot of information were withheld from the public related to Brian's friends who last saw him.

So many possibilities.

I really look forward to the latest development on this new information - who posted that message?

Right now that is the question of the day and hope they can find that answer soon and get some explanation for that.

Well, it is quite possible that no one knew anything at all until Randy died. This would make the withholding of information, well, frankly, impossible, because there was no information to withhold.

yahamita

IamMine wrote:

1) Doubt it. A call to his brother would have solved this problem.

2) Not sure what you mean by that? Like he's craving for attention?

To be honest with you and I feel really cruel for thinking like this, but I had considered that in the beginning and starting to think like that again.

In the beginning, someone had written a letter (forgot to who, maybe the police) and said Brian was doing this for insurance and that his dad was in on the plan.

His dad was really upset about that but he took the lie test and went through all kinds of questionings by the police.

I thought maybe he talked his friends into being part of the plan but then I got to talk to his dad and finding out from different sources that it was very unlikely.

His dad spent so much time and little money he had trying to find Brian and it really wore him out physically and mentally. He really had a hard time but he never gave up, though.

But I am not the police so I can't make accusations but making assumptions. I do have to be careful because of slander and libel.

I never heard this from Randy. I do know he wasn't loaded, but wasn't scraping either. There is NO way this man would EVER commit fraud..

Lost In Ohio wrote:

Well, it is quite possible that no one knew anything at all until Randy died. This would make the withholding of information, well, frankly, impossible, because there was no information to withhold.

Actually, the Minn PD was withholding info on this case, and Randy and the investigator was fighting hard to read the records.This was several weeks before Randy passed

Lost In Ohio

IamMine wrote:

all is forgiven?

I think that would be up to his surviving family to determine that - and the police.

As for me personally - even though I have never met him in person, I would be very very very happy that he is alive but very very very angry with him for putting his father and family through so much agony and pain.

But I would not wish him to be dead. I'd much rather that he is still alive.

Like many, I would be very happy to see a closure on this.

Yeah, I suppose you're right. Two sides to the coin, and the question is which side has more weight, the good or the bad?

ALL might not be forgiven 100% of the way, but i'm sure they'd be very happy to see him. I'm sure some low-profile counseling would certainly be in order, which might help explain things more clearly.

As we know, the theory is that he became too stressed out with his mom's death and with his education. That might be cause for anyone to run away. It would also explain why there was never anything found -- because it's all either in Columbus or with him. If you take it one step further, he could be living under an alias, which would be why there was never any bank account activity.


I know two people who would probably have to be forgiven (barring anything yet unforeseen) would be Brian's friends, Clint & Meredith who were with him on the night he went missing. If he's in the US Virgin Islands, then perhaps they really didn't have anything to with it, after all. As to why the story changed? I'll play the devil's advocate and mention that they'd been drinking for quite some time, it was late, memories could have been clouded, and well, don't stories generally change a little bit over time anyway?

I'm certainly not ready to personally clear anyone of suspicion of foul play yet, but when the time comes, if Clint & Meredith didn't have anything to do with it, then I certainly feel they should be near the top of the forgiveness list.

Lost In Ohio

yahamita wrote:

Actually, the Minn PD was withholding info on this case, and Randy and the investigator was fighting hard to read the records.This was several weeks before Randy passed

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Yeah. I suppose over the last hour or so, I kinda forgot about that whole situation. I was actually thinking about the Minnesota PD within the past week or so, too.


Ugh. I think that tunnel just maybe got a little longer?

I still have hope. I think we all should.

IamMine

yahamita wrote:

I never heard this from Randy. I do know he wasn't loaded, but wasn't scraping either. There is NO way this man would EVER commit fraud..

I know, yahamita. He didn't.

yahamita wrote:

Actually, the Minn PD was withholding info on this case, and Randy and the investigator was fighting hard to read the records.This was several weeks before Randy passed

I should have clarified that. I didn't word it properly. Thanks.

I also heard about the details on the friends' stories that changed at different times and it never made the news, at least not to my knowledge.

It was very questionable and they were protected by their lawyers.

I wonder, though, why the investigators were withholding information from Randy?

Did they ever explain why?

So many questions....

IamMine

Lost In Ohio wrote:

Ugh. I think that tunnel just maybe got a little longer?

I still have hope. I think we all should.

No kidding!

Me too....

yahamita

Lost In Ohio wrote:

Yeah, I suppose you're right. Two sides to the coin, and the question is which side has more weight, the good or the bad?

ALL might not be forgiven 100% of the way, but i'm sure they'd be very happy to see him. I'm sure some low-profile counseling would certainly be in order, which might help explain things more clearly.

As we know, the theory is that he became too stressed out with his mom's death and with his education. That might be cause for anyone to run away. It would also explain why there was never anything found -- because it's all either in Columbus or with him. If you take it one step further, he could be living under an alias, which would be why there was never any bank account activity.


I know two people who would probably have to be forgiven (barring anything yet unforeseen) would be Brian's friends, Clint & Meredith who were with him on the night he went missing. If he's in the US Virgin Islands, then perhaps they really didn't have anything to with it, after all. As to why the story changed? I'll play the devil's advocate and mention that they'd been drinking for quite some time, it was late, memories could have been clouded, and well, don't stories generally change a little bit over time anyway?

I'm certainly not ready to personally clear anyone of suspicion of foul play yet, but when the time comes, if Clint & Meredith didn't have anything to do with it, then I certainly feel they should be near the top of the forgiveness list.

Clint refused to take a lie detector test, Merideth's lawyer is telling the investigator to back off and leave her alone, but from my understanding, Clint did mention the VI in one of his interviews with the PD.

IamMine

Lost In Ohio wrote:

I know two people who would probably have to be forgiven (barring anything yet unforeseen) would be Brian's friends, Clint & Meredith who were with him on the night he went missing. If he's in the US Virgin Islands, then perhaps they really didn't have anything to with it, after all. As to why the story changed? I'll play the devil's advocate and mention that they'd been drinking for quite some time, it was late, memories could have been clouded, and well, don't stories generally change a little bit over time anyway?

I'm certainly not ready to personally clear anyone of suspicion of foul play yet, but when the time comes, if Clint & Meredith didn't have anything to do with it, then I certainly feel they should be near the top of the forgiveness list.

I totally agree with you about his friends being on the top list of forgiveness. I'd be one of the first to apologize.

As for drinking and all that.... well, the details were way too off, even for a drunk person.

And there were more to it than that too... who they were, their relationships with Brian and how Brian felt about them too.

Throw that in the mix and you have a lot of questions.

IamMine

yahamita wrote:

Clint refused to take a lie detector test, Merideth's lawyer is telling the investigator to back off and leave her alone, but from my understanding, Clint did mention the VI in one of his interviews with the PD.

I remember that he refused the lie test, but playing devil's advocate like LIO, he could have been under stress and the test would have harmed him.

But one could probably argue that he could have taken it much later when he was ready and calm?

That is interesting about VI information from Clint - I never heard about that.

Was that recent, Lisa?

Lost In Ohio

VI information?
LIO?

Who, or what, are VI and LIO?

The Stugots

VI - Virgin Islands
LIO - You

IamMine

Lost In Ohio wrote:

VI information?
LIO?

Who, or what, are VI and LIO?

EDIT: beaten by The Stugots

LIO = Lost In Ohio

VI = Virgina's Island where the message was signed by "Brian" with the location online.

yahamita mentioned about Clint saying something about VI in an interview with the PD.

That is news to me.

This is getting interesting.

Lost In Ohio

The Stugots wrote:

VI - Virgin Islands
LIO - You

Thankfull IamMine posted, explaining who "you" was, because I was confusing that for some sort of ASCII character code. UO? Huh? Now i'm really confused.

silver39

If this is NOT Brian then this is a cruel cruel joke that someone is playing. I hope for everyone's sake involved Brian is still out there and is ok, even if he is in the VI. Everyone has their own ways of dealing and maybe this was his...no one but him knows.

yahamita

IamMine wrote:

I know, yahamita. He didn't.


I should have clarified that. I didn't word it properly. Thanks.

I also heard about the details on the friends' stories that changed at different times and it never made the news, at least not to my knowledge.

It was very questionable and they were protected by their lawyers.

I wonder, though, why the investigators were withholding information from Randy?

Did they ever explain why?

So many questions....

The investigator wasn't withholding info. He was fighting with Randy to be able to read all files. And YES, the 2 friends have changed their stories several times.

yahamita

IamMine wrote:

EDIT: beaten by The Stugots

LIO = Lost In Ohio

VI = Virgina's Island where the message was signed by "Brian" with the location online.

yahamita mentioned about Clint saying something about VI in an interview with the PD.

That is news to me.

This is getting interesting.

I heard this info from the investigator right after Randy passed. Let me get back into my email and post a tad bit of other info you will find interesting

yahamita

This message was sent via the investigator to Vanderbilt University where Clint is now a microbilogist. the officer was very interested in this information, and agreed to post flyers around campus...I have a copy of the flyer if anyone wants me to send it via email.



Dear Detective Mark Hallman: I am a board certified investigator from Columbus, Ohio attempting to locate missing Ohio State University Medical Student Brian Shaffer. Please review the attached documents concerning missing Ohio State University Medical Student Brian Shaffer. Brian Shaffer was last seen on the OSU campus on April 1, 2006 (see attached case summary and missing flyer's) with his close friend William "Clint" Florence who is now a Research Fellow in the Vanderbilt University Department of Microbiology & Immunology as a Post Doctoral trainee. William "Clint" Florence has refused to take a polygraph for the Columbus, Ohio Police or the Ohio State University Police, has hired a criminal defense attorney, moved to Vanderbilt and has been less then cooperative with the police and this investigator. Florence behavior has been described as indifferent and unusual since the disappearance of Brian Shaffer. Florence may be considered a person of interest in this matter but there is currently a lack of evidence to identify him as a suspect. This case has received national media attention and Brian Shaffer's father Randy Shaffer was recently killed in a tragic accident where a tree fell on him in his back yard. Clint Florence photograph and personal data can be found on page 2 & 3 of the case file (document attached). I would appreciate you posting the attached flyer's around campus and at Microbiology Center, forwarding the attached data to your campus newspaper, and providing any information available. I can be reached at 614-565-7189 or contact Detective Sergeant John Hurst at the Columbus, Ohio Police Department 614-645-4670. Please contact me with any question. Regards,

IamMine

yahamita wrote:

The investigator wasn't withholding info. He was fighting with Randy to be able to read all files. And YES, the 2 friends have changed their stories several times.

Okay, gotcha. I stand corrected.

If he was fighting with Randy, then how is that not "withholding"?

yahamita wrote:

Let me get back into my email and post a tad bit of other info you will find interesting

I would be very much interested in reading more information!

EDIT: Thanks, reading now!

yahamita

IamMine wrote:

Okay, gotcha. I stand corrected.

If he was fighting with Randy, then how is that not "withholding"?



I would be very much interested in reading more information!

EDIT: Thanks, reading now!

whatI meant to say was...him and Randy were fighting the PD for the info..sorry..I'm trying to post as much info as possible while I'm working!