Columbus area Pearl Jam fan gone missing...

IamMine

krissypj wrote:

Please don't take theories personal! Did I ever say being gay was a bad thing? I have to admit, almost every single person I came across in Columbus thought the same thing. No one was saying it in a negative way, it was just an observation. Brian is a very good looking guy. I don't understand how me repeating what has been circulating now makes me some sort of homosexual hater? LOL. I'd like to hear some of your theories then. You would just ignore the fact that people say Clint is gay? And ignore how he was the last one to see him? And that Brian is a very attractive man? It is very possible that scenario happened and I don't think its right to try and criticize me for saying it. If Brian happened to be out with solely a straight woman, I would question her.

Thank you for clarifying your position, krissypj.

You also understand how some people have stereotypes of gay people and some would automatically attack them for every wrongdoing done. There is history of that and we need to take great care of not always looking at that as the only possibility but also consider all other possibilities not related to homosexuality (Meredith, for example).

That's just my take on why darthvedder was on the defensive and that is very understandable. To be honest with you, I was too because too often I hear "oh, I bet he or she is gay!!" with negative attitude and that would be the first thing that comes to their minds when they see that person.

The fact that Clint may be gay should not be automatically questioned for Brian's missing.

However, the fact that he was the LAST person to see Brian should be questioned and also the fact that they were roommates in the past.

The point here is that his sexual orientation should not be attacked, which you clarified you weren't doing but to point out the possibilities of problems between Brian and Clint that may or may not have lead to his disappearance.

EDIT: I worded it wrong... I'd like to correct that "sexual preference" may not be correct. It should be "sexual orientation". That has been modified.

yahamita

darthvedder wrote:

I'm just curious here...what exactly does gay "look" like to you?

I held my tongue when you mentioned the theory about a jilted homosexual running someone over because I thought you were talking specifically about this case, but this more recent statement has me wondering how you really view homosexuality.

Edit...

darthvedder

IamMine wrote:

Thank you for clarifying your position, krissypj.

You also understand how some people have stereotypes of gay people and some would automatically attack them for every wrongdoing done. There is history of that and we need to take great care of not always looking at that as the only possibility but also consider all other possibilities not related to homosexuality (Meredith, for example).

That's just my take on why darthvedder was on the defensive and that is very understandable. To be honest with you, I was too because too often I hear "oh, I bet he or she is gay!!" with negative attitude and that would be the first thing that comes to their minds when they see that person.

The fact that Clint may be gay should not be automatically questioned for Brian's missing.

However, the fact that he was the LAST person to see Brian should be questioned and also the fact that they were roommates in the past.

The point here is that his sexual orientation should not be attacked, which you clarified you weren't doing but to point out the possibilities of problems between Brian and Clint that may or may not have lead to his disappearance.

EDIT: I worded it wrong... I'd like to correct that "sexual preference" may not be correct. It should be "sexual orientation". That has been modified.

Thanks IamMine for putting it far better than I ever could have.

For the record, I didn't take anything personal from your posts, krissypj. The first reaction I had from your theory was that you were making it seem that it's a likely thing for homosexuals to run people over. They're not anymore likely than heterosexuals to do so. However, I held back and did not post what I was thinking because it wasn't clear from your post whether you were claiming that or not. In hindsight, I was reading in between the lines, and for that, I apologize.

When I saw your next post about what gay "looks" like, I felt like I couldn't hold back any longer. There is no specific homosexual "look," just like there is no specific heterosexual "look." I'm probably feeling a bit hypersensitive about the homosexual thing because we're going to vote next month on gay marriage here in California, and the ads the anti-gay marriage side is running are pissing me off because they advocate discrimination based on sexual orientation, which is unconstitutional. It's like they are so afraid that if the schools start teaching kids about gay marriage that the number of homosexuals will increase. It's all based on fear because of prejudice. It makes me angry. So again, I apologize for overreacting.

And for the record, I am not homosexual. But that shouldn't even matter. We should be past these things as a society by now, but sadly we are not.

Anyway, I apologize for intruding on the detective work going on in this thread. I am far removed from the case, but I do read this thread for the latest developments. I admire all of you who are keeping this thread alive.

There is a mental disorder called dissociative fugue. This is where someone who experiences psychological trauma "checks out" of their life and they create a whole new identity for themselves without even realizing it. They often travel long distances to accomplish this. This new identity can last for years when all of a sudden they wake up into their original identity.

I only mention this because someone mentioned that Brian's mother died before he disappeared. It might have been a trigger.

Just another theory to throw out there.

pj.uw.laura

The reaction to a trauma, such as the loss of his mother, is a good point. However, fugue states usually only last from days to months. He's been missing for over two years. Plus, the person who is in a fugue state usually does not take on a new identity and doesn't try to hide himself or herself. He or she simply just doesn't remember who he or she was- he wouldn't be working to disguise himself. So you'd think that (if he's in the U.S.), people would have recognized him by now. People in fugue states usually end up in a clinic somewhere because of their lack of ability to remember recent events or information about themselves. If this were only a month or two after the case, this could be a viable explanation. Given that it has been over two years, this seems less likely.

Plus, I'm not sure how that Virgin Islands post fits in. I can't imagine that it's some punk playing a joke unless he or she is somehow connected. If he or she is connected, then that screams foul play.

yahamita

pj.uw.laura wrote:

The reaction to a trauma, such as the loss of his mother, is a good point. However, fugue states usually only last from days to months. He's been missing for over two years. Plus, the person who is in a fugue state usually does not take on a new identity and doesn't try to hide himself or herself. He or she simply just doesn't remember who he or she was- he wouldn't be working to disguise himself. So you'd think that (if he's in the U.S.), people would have recognized him by now. People in fugue states usually end up in a clinic somewhere because of their lack of ability to remember recent events or information about themselves. If this were only a month or two after the case, this could be a viable explanation. Given that it has been over two years, this seems less likely.

Plus, I'm not sure how that Virgin Islands post fits in. I can't imagine that it's some punk playing a joke unless he or she is somehow connected. If he or she is connected, then that screams foul play.

The Virgin Islands has been a part of this investigation for sometime. There have been leads there even before Randy's passing.

pj.uw.laura

yahamita wrote:

The Virgin Islands has been a part of this investigation for sometime. There have been leads there even before Randy's passing.

But why was the post that Brian supposedly wrote found to have been made from Ohio?

MakeMeCry43

Just sooo many theories to throw out there, it sometimes gets frustrating that all of us just keep on wondering what happened to Brian and keep making assumptions, I think IamMine said that and I agree, sometimes I wish that there's just going to be an answer like all of you...Hell, I'm just a few months new to this case and it's as if I've been following this case for the past two years, of course this is only just a feeling and nothing to compare to all of you who have been seriously following this case since it happened, Like Lisa for instance! God give you strength girl! It's really a mentally and physically strainning situation and for you to be able to keep your head above water is incredible! More power to ya Lisa

But I really disliked the theory that Brian might be run over or something, among all the things, I really wish he's alive and well and nothing has had happen to him...I also agree with IamMine that Clint's sexual orientation isn't the one to be questioned here, it's the fact that he really was the last person with Brian as well as Meredith, I really hope they can find some evidence or something through Meredith's credit card and other info...just anything to help this case progress just a tad bit more....I also don't understand why the investigators aren't doing the same thing with Clint....


Would it be too durastic to make Meredith and Clint take a lie detector test? Because it feels like there's something they're not saying or don't want to...I know I'm making assumptions again....

yahamita

MakeMeCry43 wrote:

Just sooo many theories to throw out there, it sometimes gets frustrating that all of us just keep on wondering what happened to Brian and keep making assumptions, I think IamMine said that and I agree, sometimes I wish that there's just going to be an answer like all of you...Hell, I'm just a few months new to this case and it's as if I've been following this case for the past two years, of course this is only just a feeling and nothing to compare to all of you who have been seriously following this case since it happened, Like Lisa for instance! God give you strength girl! It's really a mentally and physically strainning situation and for you to be able to keep your head above water is incredible! More power to ya Lisa

But I really disliked the theory that Brian might be run over or something, among all the things, I really wish he's alive and well and nothing has had happen to him...I also agree with IamMine that Clint's sexual orientation isn't the one to be questioned here, it's the fact that he really was the last person with Brian as well as Meredith, I really hope they can find some evidence or something through Meredith's credit card and other info...just anything to help this case progress just a tad bit more....I also don't understand why the investigators aren't doing the same thing with Clint....


Would it be too durastic to make Meredith and Clint take a lie detector test? Because it feels like there's something they're not saying or don't want to...I know I'm making assumptions again....

Both Merideth and Clint both have refused over and over a gain to take the test...

Lost In Ohio

aNiMaL wrote:

This post seems out of place. Is this current info about a possible upcoming PJ/Petty show??? I am confused.

There've been new replies, but I haven't been getting email notices... hmmm...


Just a random song reference to us having to wait to figure out where that obiturary note really came from... Virgin Islands or elsewhere.

"The wait...is the hardest part."

porchdweller

I don't want anyone to rehash this, but I don't know that there is any way I can decypher everything in the thread. Could someone post a synopsis of what's going on with this, potential theories. I kept up with it for a long time but haven't been able to lately and was wondering if someone could just put a brief synopsis if there have been any advancements or an internet link would be great and also any ways to help the cause. This is absolutely heartbreaking and my heart goes out to those close to this that have had to endure. Thanks

Lost In Ohio

porchdweller wrote:

I don't want anyone to rehash this, but I don't know that there is any way I can decypher everything in the thread. Could someone post a synopsis of what's going on with this, potential theories. I kept up with it for a long time but haven't been able to lately and was wondering if someone could just put a brief synopsis if there have been any advancements or an internet link would be great and also any ways to help the cause. This is absolutely heartbreaking and my heart goes out to those close to this that have had to endure. Thanks

Read the first post.
Then read from here on.

Lost In Ohio

Woah.

I was reading the first post, specifically the part about who everyone is. I was at the "Other People" part when all of a sudden, on the radio comes "I seem to recognize...your face..."

A sign from someone more powerful than I?

yahamita

Lost In Ohio wrote:

Woah.

I was reading the first post, specifically the part about who everyone is. I was at the "Other People" part when all of a sudden, on the radio comes "I seem to recognize...your face..."

A sign from someone more powerful than I?

ok, I just got chills up the back of my neck!
I will contact the investigator, and see if there are any updates I can post today..

krissypj

yahamita wrote:

ok, I just got chills up the back of my neck!
I will contact the investigator, and see if there are any updates I can post today..

any updates?

yahamita

krissypj wrote:

any updates?

This is the email I received this morning....


Lisa: The "gay" angle was looked into but was not substantiated by any individuals interviewed. No specific information received revealed any homosexul activity. The CPD (as usual) failed to release any further information on the location where the email was sent from or where the cadaver dogs searched. I am still awaiting a response from Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien on the Writ of Mandamus. I'll be in touch!!!

moyboy

Ok, if the fathers obit post "I Love You Dad - Brian, Virgin Islands" was made from a computer in Brians own hometown... then Brian himself certainly didn't make the post as he could not hide in his own hometown for this long. And we know that whoever posted the message didn't actually do it from the Virgin Islands since they traced the message to OH... which seems to leave one of three scenarios:

1) someone posted it as a really fucked up joke, but knows nothing about anything related to his disappearance

2) someone who knows firsthand that Brian is deceased and / or had something to do with his death / disappearance and is trying to deflect investigators and send them a different direction to protect themselves or someone they know.

3) someone who knows that Brian is alive and well and living in the Virgin Islands and wanted to absolve some of their guilt of not coming forward with what they know. if they know he is out there in hiding and they feel guilty that this is all happening and that people are worried despite him being ok, and doesn't want to betray their friends trust, the secrecy, whatever... by posting that message they are anonymously putting a clue out there as to where he is living.

in two out of three options, the person who posted the message knows something.

plus there has got to be a reason why they purposely went to a public library to post the message, so that they couldn't be tracked. an idiot with no inside knowledge of Brians disappearance and just trying to make a bad joke might not go to such lengths. but someone who knows what happened but isn't saying would definitely want to be untraceable. but if they want to be untraceable, then what are their motives for posting in the first place? to send people to the virgin islands to look for him, regardless of if he is alive or dead... if he was alive and truly hiding there, the person might not give away his location nor feel the need to even include that portion, ie. a simple message that made the reader think "hey look brian might be alive" would suffice without needing to point to a particular place. so... the inclusion of Virgin Islands in the post makes me think that someone is purposely trying to steer investigators that direction... either because Brian is in hiding there and this person wants him to be found, or perhaps more likely to deflect blame and steer people away from someone who may be guilty... this seems more likely to me when you consider that the mystery person purposely referenced the Virgin Islands location AND wanted to be anonymous badly enough to head down to a public library to post the obit message...

mickeyrat

moyboy wrote:

Ok, if the fathers obit post "I Love You Dad - Brian, Virgin Islands" was made from a computer in Brians own hometown... then Brian himself certainly didn't make the post as he could not hide in his own hometown for this long. And we know that whoever posted the message didn't actually do it from the Virgin Islands since they traced the message to OH... which seems to leave one of three scenarios:

1) someone posted it as a really fucked up joke, but knows nothing about anything related to his disappearance

2) someone who knows firsthand that Brian is deceased and / or had something to do with his death / disappearance and is trying to deflect investigators and send them a different direction to protect themselves or someone they know.

3) someone who knows that Brian is alive and well and living in the Virgin Islands and wanted to absolve some of their guilt of not coming forward with what they know. if they know he is out there in hiding and they feel guilty that this is all happening and that people are worried despite him being ok, and doesn't want to betray their friends trust, the secrecy, whatever... by posting that message they are anonymously putting a clue out there as to where he is living.

in two out of three options, the person who posted the message knows something.

plus there has got to be a reason why they purposely went to a public library to post the message, so that they couldn't be tracked. an idiot with no inside knowledge of Brians disappearance and just trying to make a bad joke might not go to such lengths. but someone who knows what happened but isn't saying would definitely want to be untraceable. but if they want to be untraceable, then what are their motives for posting in the first place? to send people to the virgin islands to look for him, regardless of if he is alive or dead... if he was alive and truly hiding there, the person might not give away his location nor feel the need to even include that portion, ie. a simple message that made the reader think "hey look brian might be alive" would suffice without needing to point to a particular place. so... the inclusion of Virgin Islands in the post makes me think that someone is purposely trying to steer investigators that direction... either because Brian is in hiding there and this person wants him to be found, or perhaps more likely to deflect blame and steer people away from someone who may be guilty... this seems more likely to me when you consider that the mystery person purposely referenced the Virgin Islands location AND wanted to be anonymous badly enough to head down to a public library to post the obit message...

The public library here in columbus requires a card with your name and you have to sign in to a specific computer.All completely traceable records, unless they stole someone elses card.

yahamita

mickeyrat wrote:

The public library here in columbus requires a card with your name and you have to sign in to a specific computer.All completely traceable records, unless they stole someone elses card.

WHOA!!!! Then why can't they find the idiot who wrote that? I'll ask the investigator that question!

mickeyrat

yahamita wrote:

WHOA!!!! Then why can't they find the idiot who wrote that? I'll ask the investigator that question!

YEP. have to sign in and everything. Plus time on the post would corespond with users for that same time.It may be difficult to trace though as we have a bunch of libraries tied into the Main server. But I would think they COULD trace to a specific computer and branch.

yahamita

mickeyrat wrote:

YEP. have to sign in and everything. Plus time on the post would corespond with users for that same time.It may be difficult to trace though as we have a bunch of libraries tied into the Main server. But I would think they COULD trace to a specific computer and branch.

Long shot, is there a camera in the library that records everyone coming and goin?