Yeah, but it's at a whole different level over there... I see people saying that anyone who even suggests the album isn't up to par "hate" Chris Cornell, and criticism of it "stinks of betrayal". With Pearl Jam, it's like, "They're my favourite band, so I'll defend them if someone criticises them." With Cornell, it's like "OH MY GOD EVERY TIME YOU SAY SOMETHING BAD ABOUT HIM, A BABY DIES!"
No PJ fans are pretty much the worst. Maybe just behind Tool or Rage fans.
In its own way PJ has been desperately trying to stay relevent by aligning itself with the 'indie' movement - by touring with KOL and doing the whole indie concert circuit etc.
By the looks of the obsessive KOL fandom on here it is working.
No PJ fans are pretty much the worst. Maybe just behind Tool or Rage fans.
In its own way PJ has been desperately trying to stay relevent by aligning itself with the 'indie' movement - by touring with KOL and doing the whole indie concert circuit etc.
By the looks of the obsessive KOL fandom on here it is working.
Are KoL even indie? KoL and MMJ are two of the most exciting, straightforward young rock bands around, as far as I can tell, so I can't really picture anyone more suitable for PJ to tour with. If they toured with someone like Interpol or Vampire Weekend, I'd agree, but I'd say this is just an attempt by an "elder statesman" band to introduce their fans to two great rock bands. Do you really think PJ shows with KoL opening were full of Kings fans being introduced to PJ for the first time?
And um.... to keep this on topic: I don't even have a problem with Cornell touring with Linkin Park. They're not the best rock band out there, but they're not the worst. I really enjoyed hearing Chester singing on Hunger Strike. It doesn't seem as forced, contrived and outright lazy as the Timbaland collaboration or the Fashion Rocks thingy that's coming up.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
I had a thread over there that asked "Should I boo the new songs at the show Wednesday night in Vegas or just bring my Ipod and listen to an older Soundgarden song while I watch him sing"
People got pretty heated over it and of course it was deleted. I dont post to much over there but pretty much if you dont like the new stuff you are getting beat up pretty bad. If you criticize Timbaland you are deleted right away. The mod fears Timbaland may get a bit Gangsta on him and holds him responsible for the posts.
I had a thread over there that asked "Should I boo the new songs at the show Wednesday night in Vegas or just bring my Ipod and listen to an older Soundgarden song while I watch him sing"
People got pretty heated over it and of course it was deleted. I dont post to much over there but pretty much if you dont like the new stuff you are getting beat up pretty bad. If you criticize Timbaland you are deleted right away. The mod fears Timbaland may get a bit Gangsta on him and holds him responsible for the posts.
Listen to the new songs and make up your own mind. 'Watch Out' doesn't sound too bad live.
I had a thread over there that asked "Should I boo the new songs at the show Wednesday night in Vegas or just bring my Ipod and listen to an older Soundgarden song while I watch him sing"
People got pretty heated over it and of course it was deleted. I dont post to much over there but pretty much if you dont like the new stuff you are getting beat up pretty bad. If you criticize Timbaland you are deleted right away. The mod fears Timbaland may get a bit Gangsta on him and holds him responsible for the posts.
Heaven forbid Chris should actually know what his existing fan base thinks of his new music! I heard the poor guy say that it was an overwhelmingly positive response so far, in one interview! I think his people are lying to him....
Heaven forbid Chris should actually know what his existing fan base thinks of his new music! I heard the poor guy say that it was an overwhelmingly positive response so far, in one interview! I think his people are lying to him....
no kidding... if people want to hear a dozen more albums just like this piece of shit then by all means continue hiding your true feelings about it... but i sincerely doubt that... from what i hear though the CC message board is sending some mixed signals
Heaven forbid Chris should actually know what his existing fan base thinks of his new music! I heard the poor guy say that it was an overwhelmingly positive response so far, in one interview! I think his people are lying to him....
This is the actual "positive response" he's been getting:
CC: "So, what did you think of my new album with Timbaland?"
Person who works for CC: "Er... hmmmm...ahan...uh... well, good for you for trying something new!!"
CC: "Yeah, I know it's great! This a modern Dark Side of the Moon!"
Person who works for CC:"Sure, of course!"
“Life is life everywhere. Life is in ourselves and not outside us. There will be men beside me, and the important thing is to be a man among men and to remain a man always, whatever the misfortunes, not to despair and not to fall - that is the aim of life, that is its purpose.”
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
This is the actual "positive response" he's been getting:
CC: "So, what did you think of my new album with Timbaland?"
Person who works for CC: "Er... hmmmm...ahan...uh... well, good for you for trying something new!!"
CC: "Yeah, I know it's great! This a modern Dark Side of the Moon!"
Person who works for CC:"Sure, of course!"
He's probably just been asking the wait staff in his restaurant, and some jeans models.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
This is the actual "positive response" he's been getting:
CC: "So, what did you think of my new album with Timbaland?"
Person who works for CC: "Er... hmmmm...ahan...uh... well, good for you for trying something new!!"
CC: "Yeah, I know it's great! This a modern Dark Side of the Moon!"
Person who works for CC:"Sure, of course!"
LOL! How fucking stupid does he sound comparing it to DSOTM?! Big deal the songs all blend into each other.....
What's pissing me off most is how damn good his voice is sounding live at the moment, I don't think he's sounded this good in a decade, it just seems such a waste.
I've defended Chris's right to do what ever he believes in, but after hearing (half of) this song I just have to say it is so terrible It can hardly be described just how bad it is :(
Far from being inventive and searching for a new direction, I fear he has inadvertantly stuck his head up his own arse to see just how cool he is, and while he was there he listened to himself say how great he is....Honestly, this is the most tragic thing to happen to anything related to the old Seattle music scene since Kurt played chicken with himself and his crack addled brain and a shot gun :(
I've defended Chris's right to do what ever he believes in, but after hearing (half of) this song I just have to say it is so terrible It can hardly be described just how bad it is :(
Far from being inventive and searching for a new direction, I fear he has inadvertantly stuck his head up his own arse to see just how cool he is, and while he was there he listened to himself say how great he is....Honestly, this is the most tragic thing to happen to anything related to the old Seattle music scene since Kurt played chicken with himself and his crack addled brain and a shot gun :(
Nearly - let's not forget Layne. But even slowly dying from your heroin addiction is, in some crazy way, more dignified than this.
Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
Nearly - let's not forget Layne. But even slowly dying from your heroin addiction is, in some crazy way, more dignified than this.
I hear you.
I'm gonna post some 'honest' messages on Chris's myspace page, I bet he'll read them and realise the terrible mistake he's making......:rolleyes:
I hear you.
I'm gonna post some 'honest' messages on Chris's myspace page, I bet he'll read them and realise the terrible mistake he's making......:rolleyes:
make sure you come across as a disappointed fan and not just as some lone asshole who hates everything about him... voice is still great... the new stuff SUCKS
make sure you come across as a disappointed fan and not just as some lone asshole who hates everything about him... voice is still great... the new stuff SUCKS
I did, don't worry...and guess what, already someone else has agreed with me........
good job! dunno if he even reads that... but i guess its the best possible outlet weve got... i dont have a myspace but if i did i would totally back you up too
good job! dunno if he even reads that... but i guess its the best possible outlet weve got... i dont have a myspace but if i did i would totally back you up too
I'm prety sure he doesn't read it....but if enough people started letting their feelings be known there, I wonder if it would eventually filter through to him ? Maybe not but hell, like you said how else can we get our thought over to him ?
I'm prety sure he doesn't read it....but if enough people started letting their feelings be known there, I wonder if it would eventually filter through to him ? Maybe not but hell, like you said how else can we get our thought over to him ?
i think youll be out voted by all the tasteless shmucks i read on there that are supporting the new stuff :rolleyes:
I wouldn't be surprised if your comment mysteriously disappear after a while...
“Life is life everywhere. Life is in ourselves and not outside us. There will be men beside me, and the important thing is to be a man among men and to remain a man always, whatever the misfortunes, not to despair and not to fall - that is the aim of life, that is its purpose.”
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
I just listened to the 3 snippets he has on his myspace and this album is a piece of shit!!!
I'm willing to listen to a few more songs if there are some links that WORK out there...but if they are anything like Ground Zero, Watch out or Long Gone...I will NOT be buying this album.
and Chris better be careful case LONG GONE is where his fans will be if he keeps going down this road.
"Rock and roll is something that can't be quantified, sometimes it's not even something you hear, but FEEL!" - Bob Lefsetz
It sucks but I think this is gonna be the first Cornell release I'm not buying
I've been lurking on the Cornell forum, it's like a police state over there at the moment
I know, it fucking sucks. I'm not even bothering with posting over there, well not at least until the full album drops and then I will deliver my verdict
What I think is ridiculous is how Cornell makes such a big issue in interviews about how he likes to step outside his comfort zone and push himself to try new things, yet this is hardly a 'difficult' or unique direction for him to have gone in. Sure it's surprising, but it sounds exactly like you would expect, Chris Cornell singing over the top of Timberland's music. It is not (from what we have heard so far) genre defying at all.
What I think is ridiculous is how Cornell makes such a big issue in interviews about how he likes to step outside his comfort zone and push himself to try new things, yet this is hardly a 'difficult' or unique direction for him to have gone in. Sure it's surprising, but it sounds exactly like you would expect, Chris Cornell singing over the top of Timberland's music. It is not (from what we have heard so far) genre defying at all.
How this could be called stepping out of a comfort zone, i'll never know. Seems more like he is staying in a VERY comfortable zone...and a zone he shouldn't, in my opinion, be in anyway. Sure, you can get "popular" music that is still good...but from what i've heard of these new tracks...they're just awful. I think perhaps Mr Cornell is trying too hard to be relevant and "down with the kids".
I'm a huge Soundgarden, Audioslave and Chris Cornell fan. Saw his solo live show last year, and it's one of the best shows i've ever been to. The guy still has talent, he's just burying it under a pile of shit and designer jeans. Oh, and money. It's getting to the point where i'm almost ashamed to be a fan...
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How this could be called stepping out of a comfort zone, i'll never know. Seems more like he is staying in a VERY comfortable zone...and a zone he shouldn't, in my opinion, be in anyway. Sure, you can get "popular" music that is still good...but from what i've heard of these new tracks...they're just awful. I think perhaps Mr Cornell is trying too hard to be relevant and "down with the kids".
I'm a huge Soundgarden, Audioslave and Chris Cornell fan. Saw his solo live show last year, and it's one of the best shows i've ever been to. The guy still has talent, he's just burying it under a pile of shit and designer jeans. Oh, and money. It's getting to the point where i'm almost ashamed to be a fan...
I remember when Cornell used to be the coolest muthafucker on the planet. He was enigmatic and musically speaking throughout Soundgarden and Euphoria Morning, he just seemed smarter than your average musician. This whole Timbaland thing just seems so transparent - from the airbrushed promotional pictures to the obvious extent to which he has handed over the musical reigns.
I know, it fucking sucks. I'm not even bothering with posting over there, well not at least until the full album drops and then I will deliver my verdict
What I think is ridiculous is how Cornell makes such a big issue in interviews about how he likes to step outside his comfort zone and push himself to try new things, yet this is hardly a 'difficult' or unique direction for him to have gone in. Sure it's surprising, but it sounds exactly like you would expect, Chris Cornell singing over the top of Timberland's music. It is not (from what we have heard so far) genre defying at all.
Which makes the "you're just close minded" stance, a favoured argument with the Cornell camp, seem stupid. The stuff Cornell was doing with Soundgarden was far more interesting and challenging than these Top 40 tunes.
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No PJ fans are pretty much the worst. Maybe just behind Tool or Rage fans.
In its own way PJ has been desperately trying to stay relevent by aligning itself with the 'indie' movement - by touring with KOL and doing the whole indie concert circuit etc.
By the looks of the obsessive KOL fandom on here it is working.
I liked KOL long before there was any association with PJ.
And um.... to keep this on topic: I don't even have a problem with Cornell touring with Linkin Park. They're not the best rock band out there, but they're not the worst. I really enjoyed hearing Chester singing on Hunger Strike. It doesn't seem as forced, contrived and outright lazy as the Timbaland collaboration or the Fashion Rocks thingy that's coming up.
People got pretty heated over it and of course it was deleted. I dont post to much over there but pretty much if you dont like the new stuff you are getting beat up pretty bad. If you criticize Timbaland you are deleted right away. The mod fears Timbaland may get a bit Gangsta on him and holds him responsible for the posts.
Listen to the new songs and make up your own mind. 'Watch Out' doesn't sound too bad live.
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I have been his biggest defender on this board..
but this "jumps the shark" for me...
disco died in the 70's...
keep it buried!
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Heaven forbid Chris should actually know what his existing fan base thinks of his new music! I heard the poor guy say that it was an overwhelmingly positive response so far, in one interview! I think his people are lying to him....
positive response?!? HA
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This is the actual "positive response" he's been getting:
CC: "So, what did you think of my new album with Timbaland?"
Person who works for CC: "Er... hmmmm...ahan...uh... well, good for you for trying something new!!"
CC: "Yeah, I know it's great! This a modern Dark Side of the Moon!"
Person who works for CC:"Sure, of course!"
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
LOL! How fucking stupid does he sound comparing it to DSOTM?! Big deal the songs all blend into each other.....
What's pissing me off most is how damn good his voice is sounding live at the moment, I don't think he's sounded this good in a decade, it just seems such a waste.
Far from being inventive and searching for a new direction, I fear he has inadvertantly stuck his head up his own arse to see just how cool he is, and while he was there he listened to himself say how great he is....Honestly, this is the most tragic thing to happen to anything related to the old Seattle music scene since Kurt played chicken with himself and his crack addled brain and a shot gun :(
I hear you.
I'm gonna post some 'honest' messages on Chris's myspace page, I bet he'll read them and realise the terrible mistake he's making......:rolleyes:
http://seanbriceart.com/
I did, don't worry...and guess what, already someone else has agreed with me........
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=106890901
http://seanbriceart.com/
I'm prety sure he doesn't read it....but if enough people started letting their feelings be known there, I wonder if it would eventually filter through to him ? Maybe not
http://seanbriceart.com/
I wouldn't be surprised if your comment mysteriously disappear after a while...
Fyodor Dostoyevsky
http://seanbriceart.com/
I just listened to the 3 snippets he has on his myspace and this album is a piece of shit!!!
I'm willing to listen to a few more songs if there are some links that WORK out there...but if they are anything like Ground Zero, Watch out or Long Gone...I will NOT be buying this album.
and Chris better be careful case LONG GONE is where his fans will be if he keeps going down this road.
let's tell him what we think....come on folks.
I've been lurking on the Cornell forum, it's like a police state over there at the moment
I know, it fucking sucks. I'm not even bothering with posting over there, well not at least until the full album drops and then I will deliver my verdict
What I think is ridiculous is how Cornell makes such a big issue in interviews about how he likes to step outside his comfort zone and push himself to try new things, yet this is hardly a 'difficult' or unique direction for him to have gone in. Sure it's surprising, but it sounds exactly like you would expect, Chris Cornell singing over the top of Timberland's music. It is not (from what we have heard so far) genre defying at all.
I'm a huge Soundgarden, Audioslave and Chris Cornell fan. Saw his solo live show last year, and it's one of the best shows i've ever been to. The guy still has talent, he's just burying it under a pile of shit and designer jeans. Oh, and money. It's getting to the point where i'm almost ashamed to be a fan...
I don't wanna think, I wanna feel
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I remember when Cornell used to be the coolest muthafucker on the planet. He was enigmatic and musically speaking throughout Soundgarden and Euphoria Morning, he just seemed smarter than your average musician. This whole Timbaland thing just seems so transparent - from the airbrushed promotional pictures to the obvious extent to which he has handed over the musical reigns.
Which makes the "you're just close minded" stance, a favoured argument with the Cornell camp, seem stupid. The stuff Cornell was doing with Soundgarden was far more interesting and challenging than these Top 40 tunes.