Just dont get the fascination with TOOL

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  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    Labyrinth wrote:
    You're wrong.

    http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi

    2nd week sales? 10,000 Days dropped by 71%, Pearl Jam dropped by 70%

    3rd week sales? 10,000 Days dropped by 49%, Pearl Jam dropped by 37%

    It's maintaining higher consistency. Near the end of 2007, Pearl Jam will be close to selling more, or already would've.

    You're talking percentages. Tool debuted at 1 and has held steady at 3 the next 2 weeks. Pearl Jam debuted at 2, dropped to 8, and now dropped to 10. Tool has outsold Pearl Jam in raw album sales every week so far. That is not catching up.

    Week 1 to 2:

    Tool: Week 1 - ~700,000 sold reduced by 71% = 203,000 sold = 903,000 total

    Pearl Jam: Week ~300,000 sold reduced by 70% = 90,000 sold = 390,000 total

    After one week PJ trailed by ~400,000 albums. After 2 weeks they trailed by 513,000 albums. The gap is widening.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • Labyrinth
    Labyrinth Posts: 25
    RockKing wrote:
    You're talking percentages. Tool debuted at 1 and has held steady at 3 the next 2 weeks. Pearl Jam debuted at 2, dropped to 8, and now dropped to 10. Tool has outsold Pearl Jam in raw album sales every week so far. That is not catching up.

    Week 1 to 2:

    Tool: Week 1 - ~700,000 sold reduced by 71% = 203,000 sold = 903,000 total

    Pearl Jam: Week ~300,000 sold reduced by 70% = 90,000 sold = 390,000 total

    After one week PJ trailed by ~400,000 albums. After 2 weeks they trailed by 513,000 albums. The gap is widening.

    You're wrong. It means every week theres less of a gap than there originally was. Which means Pearl Jam will maintain higher consistency & eventually the week will happen where Pearl Jam will be selling more copies than 10,000 Days. You're wrong. Hits Daily Double proves it. You're wrong.
  • Bezdelnik
    Bezdelnik Posts: 13
    I love Tool and think Aenema (or however it's spelled) and Lateralus (or however that's spelled) are brilliant. Comparing them to PJ is nearly impossible. After listening to 10,000 Days I think Tool took a step sideways. This disc does very little for me and is like a worse version of Lateralus. Tool may stand on the brilliance of two discs where as PJ has no less than 5 (Ten, Verses, Vitalogy, No Code, Yield.... maybe Pearl Jam). So I see PJ has the best bet for longetivity. Tool has it for originality.
    "You're all here and it shows that you have faith in us"
    - Detroit '06
  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    Labyrinth wrote:
    You're wrong. It means every week theres less of a gap than there originally was. Which means Pearl Jam will maintain higher consistency & eventually the week will happen where Pearl Jam will be selling more copies than 10,000 Days. You're wrong. Hits Daily Double proves it. You're wrong.

    Um, ok. The numbers don't lie. PJ is falling down the chart faster than Tool is. The gap in album sales is growing larger as I demonstrated. I don't know how to explain it any clearer.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    shaunmcm wrote:
    PJ rawks too and since this isnt a contest, they both win!

    Amen to that brother.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    Labyrinth wrote:
    You're wrong. It means every week theres less of a gap than there originally was. Which means Pearl Jam will maintain higher consistency & eventually the week will happen where Pearl Jam will be selling more copies than 10,000 Days. You're wrong. Hits Daily Double proves it. You're wrong.

    You need to realize, those percentages aren't a percentage of the same number. Tool's percentages are based on a MUCH larger number of total album sales, ie. 50% is less than 70% you would say. But I'm saying that 50% of 1 million is 500,00 while 70% of 100 is 70, so in that case, the 50% is larger than 70%. I hope this clears it up.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • Labyrinth
    Labyrinth Posts: 25
    RockKing wrote:
    Um, ok. The numbers don't lie. PJ is falling down the chart faster than Tool is. The gap in album sales is growing larger as I demonstrated. I don't know how to explain it any clearer.

    Maybe you're too stupid to understand. There's a bigger gap in the percentages of each week for Tool than there is for Pearl Jam. Eventually Pearl Jam will outsell 10,000 Days because its more consistant in selling. I provided the link to prove that. Maybe you need to go look again. Especially since there isnt 1 other song on 10,000 Days that would make a good single, whereas theres many on Pearl Jam. You're wrong. Consistency is what sells albums & Pearl Jam is catching up & percentages proves it.

    I'm not guessing Pearl Jam will outsell 10,000 Days by 2007, I'm telling you.
  • Lizardking
    Lizardking Posts: 936
    Just because a band "Isn't PJ" don't hate them. Tool has always had a sound of there own. Maynard is amazing. I always thought hanging out with Ed & Maynard would be a great night!! Very interesting artist
    Lizardking

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    (This Post May Have Been Edited By AT&T)
  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    Labyrinth wrote:
    percentages proves it.

    I'm not guessing Pearl Jam will outsell 10,000 Days by 2007, I'm telling you.

    Percentages are the most easy way to manipulate numbers. Any statistician knows this. Like I said, 1% is possible to be 5 times bigger than 99% if your sample set is not equal.

    And don't call me stupid. There's no reason to be insulting on this board.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • Oh, Jimmy
    Oh, Jimmy Posts: 957
    RockKing wrote:
    Self-titled. But he's wrong. PJ8 is not outselling 10,000 Days.

    edited for wrongness.

    I know I seen a chart somewhere where Pearl Jam was ahead of Tool.
  • Labyrinth
    Labyrinth Posts: 25
    RockKing wrote:
    Percentages are the most easy way to manipulate numbers. Any statistician knows this. Like I said, 1% is possible to be 5 times bigger than 99% if your sample set is not equal.

    And don't call me stupid. There's no reason to be insulting on this board.

    You're wrong. I provided proof. My proof doesn't lie. Because of the difference each week in sales, it means that Pearl Jam IS starting to catch up because of percentages. Will Tool still be selling more if they drop 30% & Pearl Jam has +5%? What about when Pearl Jam has +20% & Tool has dropped 40%? You're wrong. Pearl Jam is catching up. I provided proof. My proof doesn't lie.
  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    Somebody please step in and back me up here.

    Week 1:

    1. Tool ~700,000 total
    2. Pearl Jam ~300,000 total
    Gap=~400,000 total

    Week 2:

    3. Tool ~903,000 total
    8. Pearl Jam ~390,000 total
    Gap=~513,000 total

    Week 3:

    3. Tool ~1,010,730 total
    10. Pearl Jam ~443,489 total
    Gap=~567,241 total


    How exactly, is that catching up to Tool? Is this really so hard to comprehend??? You can say that the rate at which Tool is outselling Pearl Jam is slowing down, and that is true. But that is not the same as catching up. In order to be catching up, Pearl Jam would have to be outselling Tool, which they haven't come close to doing in any week yet.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • cubbieblue82
    cubbieblue82 Posts: 292
    First of all, I love both bands, and I don't think the success of 1 in any way effects the other band. On top of that, Tool has, and always will have, a huge core of diehard fans(Not that PJ doesn't). Come on, Tool is the modern day Pink Floyd/King Crimson what about that makes them a target of insult on this board.

    To be honest, I think that people should be happy that such an artistic band as Tool is having such commercial success when we are used to the rock charts being dominated by bands like Puddle of Crap, and Nickelback.

    The 2 bands are musically apples and oranges, but they share the fact that they have both followed their own artistic inspiration throughout their careers regardless of commercial pressures. Quit knocking Tool, and quit trying to compare 2 bands that are completely different.

    By the way, RockKing is 100% ;) right in his math. Calling him stupid is pretty, well, stupid. Maybe you should revisit grade school math before getting into this kind of argument.
    Obama/Biden '08!!!
  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    Labyrinth wrote:
    You're wrong. I provided proof. My proof doesn't lie. Because of the difference each week in sales, it means that Pearl Jam IS starting to catch up because of percentages. Will Tool still be selling more if they drop 30% & Pearl Jam has +5%? What about when Pearl Jam has +20% & Tool has dropped 40%? You're wrong. Pearl Jam is catching up. I provided proof. My proof doesn't lie.

    Ok, now I see you're not really trying to argue anything. You're just saying 'You're wrong' over and over again in an attempt to piss me off. It's not going to work because I don't care. If you want to believe that Pearl Jam is outselling Tool, you go right ahead and do that. Write to me in 5 years. Tell me where the album sales stand then.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    cubbieblue82 wrote:
    By the way, RockKing is 100% ;) right in his math. Calling him stupid is pretty, well, stupid. Maybe you should revisit grade school math before getting into this kind of argument.

    THANK YOU!!! Finally somebody else speaks up.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    Oh, Jimmy wrote:
    edited for wrongness.

    I know I seen a chart somewhere where Pearl Jam was ahead of Tool.

    No problem. Happens to all of us.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • Oh, Jimmy
    Oh, Jimmy Posts: 957
    RockKing wrote:
    Somebody please step in and back me up here.

    Week 1:

    1. Tool ~700,000 total
    2. Pearl Jam ~300,000 total
    Gap=~400,000 total

    Week 2:

    3. Tool ~903,000 total
    8. Pearl Jam ~390,000 total
    Gap=~513,000 total

    Week 3:

    3. Tool ~1,010,730 total
    10. Pearl Jam ~443,489 total
    Gap=~567,241 total


    How exactly, is that catching up to Tool? Is this really so hard to comprehend??? You can say that the rate at which Tool is outselling Pearl Jam is slowing down, and that is true. But that is not the same as catching up. In order to be catching up, Pearl Jam would have to be outselling Tool, which they haven't come close to doing in any week yet.


    Well, in a way they are catchin them, but in another they are not.


    Tool isnt gonna attract many new buyers. Pearl Jam has way more potential to.
  • whoYOUare
    whoYOUare Posts: 274
    Tool os a solid band. i was definately into that scene back in the day, but progressed with PJs music over hte long term. I own all the Tool records, and they are all really good. They are unique (in a way the Primus is) and that speaks for itself. This new record (so far) feels like all the old tricks recycled but is still a solid effort. I bought Lateralus and dug it for a while, but Aenema has to be one of the best records to come out of the 90s. They are an aquired taste, kinda like red wine, and when you "get it" Tool is well worth the price of the CD.
    peace
  • RockKing
    RockKing Posts: 431
    Oh, Jimmy wrote:
    Well, in a way they are catchin them. Tool isnt gonna attract many new buyers. Pearl Jam will.

    Well, that's a theory. It's certainly possible. But until Pearl Jam outsells Tool in a given week, the gap between the 2 will keep widening, which is not catching up. It's losing ground. It's just losing ground at a slower rate.
    --"I'm like an opening band for the sun"

    --"We’re taking pills to get along with life… the pills are YIELD and PJ’s music. Then we create words to call our own = our analysis of YIELD." - YIH
  • Labyrinth
    Labyrinth Posts: 25
    Oh, Jimmy wrote:
    Well, in a way they are catchin them, but in another they are not.


    Tool isnt gonna attract many new buyers. Pearl Jam has way more potential to.

    See that rockking? You're wrong. I'm right. My proof doesn't lie. Bubbleblue82 is wrong too. My proof puts up a good fight to the last punch. My punch doesn't lie.

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